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(DIR) Post #9iwkXUgRt0XDVnaqI4 by knotteye@spacecowboy.cc
2019-05-18T20:59:40.785527Z
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@druid I watched the video you recommended last night. I really enjoyed it. It left me with 3 main impressions:1) I really enjoyed his explanation of the paganism’s animist roots. It made a lot of sense, and I directly recalled a lot of the things he said from my experiences in germanic paganism. I do wish he had included animistic roots of non-european religions. I would have liked to hear about the animism of Hinduism and Native American religions specifically.2) I liked his message of hope, and restoring a connection to nature. However, I still feel a little lost as to what the path to get there is.3) He states that animism is both spirituality and culture. Makes sense, again I remember my germanic pagan experiences. One huge caveat is this: if animism is both spiritual and cultural, you cannot be spiritually animist but culturally… contemporary? I hope you understand what I mean.My issue here is that culture does not exist in a vacuum, alone within in a person. It is inherently a shared experience within a community. Sooo, and this leads me to my final point, to be truly animist one needs to be a part of an animist culture and, therefore, an animist community.where the FUCK do I find one of those?It took me literal years of hunting to find a local heathen kindred. I have little to no faith that I could find an animist community even vaguely near me, if one even exists.And if I don’t, how can I be an animist, even ignoring the belief hurdle we’ve spoken about before? This one is arguably even bigger.
(DIR) Post #9iwkqUnbgICvN80Bzk by null@stereophonic.space
2019-05-18T21:03:07.125625Z
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@knotteye @druid Aren’t you connecting with an animist culture here?
(DIR) Post #9iwlW1q7k3Ezibz3uy by knotteye@spacecowboy.cc
2019-05-18T21:10:37.272017Z
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@null @druid Maybe, but I've always valued physical community more than internet culture. Especially since pagan/animism often feature magic(k?), which often feels hollow to me when practicing alone.Also, reconnecting with nature through a community over technology seems strange to me.
(DIR) Post #9iwmE63NR79HWrCDs8 by null@stereophonic.space
2019-05-18T21:18:35.606911Z
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@knotteye @druid I feel your reserve, and we share some part of it. There was an interesting thread earlier about machines and spirits that Shaman might recall that’s related. I don’t mean to suggest replacement of physical interaction. But I will take what I can get.
(DIR) Post #9iwnqn4I3aMPtYdbXc by awl@shitposter.club
2019-05-18T21:24:47.336603Z
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@null honestly I think through here our spirits converse and that’s really close to the same energy being shared. The internet is like a man-made aether. @knotteye @druid
(DIR) Post #9iwnw0ULaW7mxuJTV2 by knotteye@spacecowboy.cc
2019-05-18T21:37:43.619466Z
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@awl That makes sense, but the idea that any kind of aether in a spiritual sense could be man-made seems strange to me. @druid @null
(DIR) Post #9iwomzDx1HtmOKuGW0 by awl@shitposter.club
2019-05-18T21:45:43.753481Z
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@knotteye I get that. For the longest time I didn’t want to give humans the benefit of credit for being spiritually powerful but lately I think we have the potential to be creators of our own right. I’m more of a spiritualist than animist however. @druid @null
(DIR) Post #9iww65UwcHGb20uV9M by druid@anime.website
2019-05-18T23:09:11.378577Z
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@awl @knotteye @null Even from a purely animist stance I would say this is valid, the exchange of ATTENTION is a kind of spiritual transmissionever since i became what i am now i've had a few people tell me that they feel nervous or overwhelmed when i look at them, i think it's the focus and its intensity. Some people really like it, my dear brother-friend said "When you look at me, I feel like I'm the only person in the world", and Karen has even been unnerved (and comforted) by it over the internet (but she has started on her path already)(yes, brandon, if you are reading, i'm implying something nice about you here cleverly too)It's not so much that i see the internet as a kind of aether, it's more that it allows us immanence of communication-perception. Put it this way. If someone in the past wrote a letter to their sweetheart and sent it in the mail, they would have imbued it with its own spirit, its own anima, its own soul - just like the objects described in the video Knotteye watched (it's currently in my profile). Then, when their lover opened it days later, they would receive the soul of positive emotion and love that the letter contained. Content, they would then keep the letter forever - or until the relationship broke up - so that they could read or touch or even just remember it and get the comforting glow even when their distant partner didn't know they were doing so.That's because the indirect communication offered by snail mail means that feelings are carried in the physical letter, and writers of letters put a little of their soul into them.Let's consider the logical inversion of this. Two lovers are speaking over an IM program. The connection is fine, they're both paying attention to the conversation actively, with the window in sole focus. One types something absolutely heart-stoppingly romantic to the other (Isn't it a great feeling to read one of those IMs?) and it hits them hard and lovely!But by what vector is this emotion transmitted? Directly from lover to lover, since there is no time for any other thing to take over the soul-of-love-transmission? Or does the whole thing happen super fast, with the actual data of the message acting like a swift-arrow-soul that pierces the lover's heart with positive emotion?I would argue it's the latter, since if the connection is spotty, or one of them goes AFK or just unfocuses the window, the message will still hit them at full force when they finally see it. It's the MESSAGE that contains the soul-of-message.Then, what does this make the internet?Well, I'd personally argue that it could be - in the future - not a "new aether", but merely a new way of folding the existing aether. Space, as we know, only appears as limited as this in 3 dimensions. Were you able to move in extra dimensions, you would be able to get where you need to, often, in a much faster time - but with some stuff seen when moving along the "folded paper" that we, perhaps, would have a hard time understanding. (This is where Warhammer gets its idea of the "Void" that one must enter and exit when travelling FTL. I personally don't agree that there's anything horrifying in it at all, I think any mind-break would be collateral from seeing space in new ways. I think the horrifying entities angle is just them doing their standard "make it grimdark and eldritch" thing, which is fine.)So what I'm saying is that if I'm stading right next to my lover, and I tell her I love her and shoot her a certain kind of look, then the shortest way to her is essentially just 3-dimensionally, and that's how the momentary soul of my love communication reaches her. But if I tell her something similarly affecting over the internet, then perhaps the shortest way to her for the love-message-soul to take (in this "new internet") involves making a simple fold from me to her, or a series of somewhat longer folds.Sorry, looking far into futures again, it's been a bad habit lately.The CURRENT internet. I don't think it's an aether. It's just a series of tubes, which is ironic considering the legacy of that quote as a meme. if I tell knotteye and daughter to push their modestly sized tits together around my dick (as I just have) and hit the Submit button (as I will in a few minutes) then the "tee-hee-boys-will-be-boys-let-me-just-get-my-lips-ready-to-suck-dick" soul will very literally go with the data of this message through the air with the wifi signal to my router and then down a series of tubes through routing stations as arteries, all in a matter of a handful of fractions of a second and appear on their computers in the RAM waiting for them. Even if they close their computers before seeing it and check their phones and see it that way instead, it'll still be there because it's in the entire message-line until it's received.Does this mean there is the potential for stuff to sit there for a long time because the recipient can never see it? For message-souls to fester and grow and turn into something like a yokai?Probably!Think about all those bitcoins dumbasses lost on hard disks they threw away, or whatever. The millions they're worth. Imagine the soul they have now. The soul of lost treasure. Very beautiful.... great to open when you find some. That's why games use it as a reward, the "treasure chest".For the record, when writing about The Elder Scrolls, Michael Kirkbride refers to these message-souls as "memospores", because he's not really an animist (more of a polytheistic pantheist magician, albeit a very unfluoridated one), and refers to the medium that transmits them as the "dreamsleeve." I bring this up because I find he is right about a great many things, and the "dreamsleeve" is also the means by which souls are reincarnated after death in TES, as well as the backbone of its internet (Yes they have the internet, play Battlespire, it's on a space station and there are computers and shit, and it's set before any of the other games)So to come full circle: Knotteye, I believe daughter and awl are correct in positing that you are already part of an animist community via your internet communication, but the thing that I think comes very early on in being a "switched on" animist is the realisation that even just in your living room alone you are part of an animist community, because every object around you has a soul. If you have cats or other pets, if you have houseplants or trees outside, even more powerfully. If you have people you live with, even if they're very fluoridated, their souls are right there near yours.In short, you're already connected.But I see what you're saying. The intimacy of in-person "we both know it <3" connection with another who can feel them.To come even more full circle, the best way to experience that intimacy is honestly to do psychedelics with someone lol.But I feel you on wanting more people who "know" around me. That's why my life's mission is to spread this knowledge and perspective and teach as many people to feel those wiggly green lines as I can. I grew up surrounded by atheists and christians and I'll be damned if future generations are going to have to get by without real soul connection.As a final note, this may sound very silly but I've been watching a Netflix show called The Society. In it, a group of 16-18 year olds find themselves the only remaining people in their town, with everyone else mysteriously vanished. They cannot leave, or contact the outside world, either. There is nothing outside but endless forest.Very quickly, they learn who they really are. Some break. Some don't. Some always knew anyway. But before long, you see little acts of expression and intimacy in them that you never normally see. A girl walks out into the rain and opens her mouth to drink, with others right beside her. But there is a fantastic scene at the end of episode 2. It stars the "huffy vulnerable unpopular and bitchy" girl and the "dangerous and selfish aspiring villain" guy who went and got a gun on night 1 and started pointing it confidently."Why did you pick me?" She asks. It is obvious he wants sex with her.He tells her "Becuase we're the same. I can see why nobody likes me, but why does nobody like you?"She says she doesn't know.He tries to kiss her.She gets up to leave.He says: "Don't go. i won't touch you, i promise."She is wary but convinced, and sits back down.He says he wants to get to know her. This seems to the untrained eye like it will be a rape scene. But we know better.They play a "game". Simon says.She says she knows where this is going, as he tells her to touch her nose first.He says "You can go any time. You're in charge. And it's your turn now. So you can make it go anywhere."She tells him to put his hands on his head. He does.After a few more, he does it. He tells her to touch her breast.She says she can just leave.He says he thinks she won't.He's right. She grabs her breast. Hard. She is looking him dead in the eyes."Touch yourself." She says.Maintaining eye contact, he unfastens his pants, slides his hand down inside, and begins masturbating.After a while, "Now you," he says, "touch YOURself."And, sliding her hand into her panties, she does. She was obviously quite aroused, since the second her fingers make contact, her body language changes and her eyes glaze over.They are not touching. He was true to hs word. But they are masturbating, sat next to one another at the foot of a bed, slumped against it. Their faces are only an inch or two apart, and their eye contact is absolutely unblinking even as they writhe."Hello." He says. "Nice to meet you."I have described this scene because I wanted to illustrate how even two people with absolutely no knowledge of animism whatsoever (and given a couple of scenes in that episode regarding emergent religion in the town, I feel the writers have no knowledge of it either) can form a direct and intimate soul-connection. Chances are, you have experienced them in your lives on numerous occasions. With animals, with other humans, with beloved objects.We are all animists. The only question is: are we conscious about it?(Right, time to send that memospore. Push your modest tits against each other's around my cock. Send Toot.™)
(DIR) Post #9iwzB0CS2goPuSINDE by awl@shitposter.club
2019-05-18T23:27:08.059930Z
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@druid I suppose aether is a word I meant not to use; more like dimension. Strange Way, ergo I, say that there are so many dimensions and our physical forms are just one of them. The Internet I see as humanity's take on what our creators gave us. So if anything we're in the experimental stage of making something from nothing just as they were when they made the earth and us. I do feel animism has more desire with the physical dimension, so I can certainly see wanting that physical closeness more. @knotteye @null
(DIR) Post #9iwzn8znmsw4C5ZALA by druid@anime.website
2019-05-18T23:50:35.562442Z
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@awl @knotteye @null I feel now like the world wasn't made, but grown. Like it's always been here. Like it always was and always will be.Then why do I remember making one?
(DIR) Post #9ix028MyOkSwayYHw0 by awl@shitposter.club
2019-05-18T23:52:53.982068Z
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@druid Grown I can agree with but I feel it started from somewhere. We all make worlds, don't we? Hell, the Maycan world is mine. @knotteye @null
(DIR) Post #9ix0FQG3CWXDq7eOXo by druid@anime.website
2019-05-18T23:55:40.901683Z
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@awl @knotteye @null I was just talking about this with Runa. How written worlds etc have a soul of their own that reflects the creative spirit they were crafted with.That's why even though I don't agree with a fair few things in its world, I will never stop loving Tolkien's world, Arda. It's absolutely full of his earnest love of nature (albeit from the outside in som ways), his undying love for his wife Ethel, and his boundless faith in humanity even after having been at the Somme.By contrast, I care little for the world of A Song Of Ice and Fire, or "Game of Thrones" as I guess we're calling it now. Nothing at its core but cynicism and nihilism. No wonder its creator gave up on it as soon as he got some hollywood jewbucks.
(DIR) Post #9ix15W54nQxwxRMEsK by awl@shitposter.club
2019-05-19T00:00:43.743073Z
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@druid Ooh. Between the two I definitely prefer Tolkien's. Although both merge with what is said about the Middle Ages here, the Song of Ice and Fire is more like a mimicry of human's skepticism. Tolkien's world is more like love of what we can't see, but for them it's easily seen. @knotteye @null
(DIR) Post #9ix16j3a2PKhUWEbSK by druid@anime.website
2019-05-19T00:05:20.213022Z
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@awl @knotteye @null YEs, I suppose that's fair, actually
(DIR) Post #9ix1BglTzDrfpa8V0a by druid@anime.website
2019-05-19T00:06:14.019293Z
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@awl @knotteye @null https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA7UQOYskas
(DIR) Post #9ix1qUPeodgjOXNnF2 by knotteye@spacecowboy.cc
2019-05-19T00:13:35.817130Z
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@druid ...but yes, I am convinced. of the community part, and the value of the internet at least. I'm still struggling with the actual connection and belief I suppose, but we've been talking about that a lot over the past couple days.@awl @null
(DIR) Post #9ix1uByfIel7NQWU6K by awl@shitposter.club
2019-05-19T00:12:33.663227Z
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@druid not gonna lie, took 50 seconds in to recognise anyone. I stopped watching after season 4 because it wasn't like the essential manuscripts the books read like. @knotteye @null
(DIR) Post #9ix26CXT2SfYaoWmdk by druid@anime.website
2019-05-19T00:16:25.843178Z
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@awl @knotteye @null I stopped in season 1 as soon as they treated the consummation of Khal Drogo and Daenerys' marriage as rape. In the books the entire point was that she pushed herself into sexual and matrimonial readiness in order to use Drogo's power to escape her brother, but that in doing so, she actually grew up a little bit.But you can't show american TV audiences a 13 year old girl consenting to be plowed by a hulking man I guess, so not only did they arbitrarily age up all the kids by a few years but they also made it a rape scene.At that point I knew they didn't actually care about any of the cleverness woven into the actions in the books, so I stopped
(DIR) Post #9ix27nSFGwJfNHqVkG by druid@anime.website
2019-05-19T00:16:44.099055Z
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@knotteye @awl @null I'm glad you've been more candid and talked to me more lately. <3 Truly glad.
(DIR) Post #9ix2nSCcg1apcpP0VM by awl@shitposter.club
2019-05-19T00:19:58.865670Z
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@druid I just needed something in the background for weights and figured knowing the storyline it would work. Didn't for long. @knotteye @null
(DIR) Post #9ixC9Dii6O9MfPrgR6 by knotteye@spacecowboy.cc
2019-05-19T02:09:01.874738Z
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@druid I've enjoyed talking to you. You're interesting, and you have interesting things to say. @awl @null
(DIR) Post #9ixgJiDgYcGumSGwO8 by druid@anime.website
2019-05-19T07:47:05.400341Z
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@knotteyeThe feeling is very mutual! @awl @null
(DIR) Post #9ixiDar3EA2w6otZLs by karen@testing.kawen.dance
2019-05-19T08:01:25.127277Z
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@druid @awl @knotteye @null I don't actually think your gaze feels that different? It's always been familiar, and you've always been capable of being little overwhelming
(DIR) Post #9ixiDfxyDrYHxjAfKa by karen@testing.kawen.dance
2019-05-19T08:01:50.672094Z
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@druid @awl @knotteye @null but well there's a few reasons why I should be more familiar with it than most
(DIR) Post #9ixiUGZ3v22e6SQnrs by druid@anime.website
2019-05-19T08:11:23.833249Z
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@karenYes, Ka'Wen~Plus, eye contact blowjobs @awl @knotteye @null
(DIR) Post #9ixjdiSrelJRC5bPFI by karen@testing.kawen.dance
2019-05-19T08:12:59.179544Z
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@druid @awl @knotteye @null wtf!!
(DIR) Post #9ixjfty3rJTvRwEj7A by druid@anime.website
2019-05-19T08:24:42.891016Z
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@karen:3You're very radiant. Everyone notices it. @awl @knotteye @null
(DIR) Post #9ixjl2jCiQ8q4EjrkG by karen@testing.kawen.dance
2019-05-19T08:25:00.948355Z
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@druid @awl @knotteye @null not too sure about that
(DIR) Post #9ixjl35XNO0RBVBhYW by druid@anime.website
2019-05-19T08:25:37.748294Z
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@karenI am. @awl @knotteye @null
(DIR) Post #9ixjsWTeVVP0MN1zvM by ihavebigtits@kawen.space
2019-05-19T08:26:58.940151Z
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@karen @druid @awl @knotteye @null I am too