Post 9iqqTbaTi5p8XdZOnA by sproid@mastodon.technology
(DIR) More posts by sproid@mastodon.technology
(DIR) Post #9iqpAxgdDnpjcnziD2 by brainblasted@social.libre.fi
2019-05-14T20:19:22.418115Z
0 likes, 2 repeats
The conversation with Todd from Purism was completely unproductive in my mind. In his view, there are only two possible options for moderation:• Become a complete censorship machine with a slippery slope of who can or cannot speak• Go by the jurisdiction users are in, hiding content illegal in certain jurisdictions and then removing content illegal in the poster's jurisdiction, for example a Chinese user's dissent against the Chinese gov't would be removed.There are two problems that I brought up that, being that:• Purism would be participating in the injustices of those countries• Legal but harmful content would still be allowed, thus spreading harm.I felt completely ignored when trying to get this across to him, especially that last bit. I also tried explaining to him that a slippery slope does not exist when you have set principles that you stick to within rules, but that completely flew over his head. It also ended with him basically telling me to solve the problem with a solution that works for every country everywhere and then get back to him. So, the block & boycott of Purism continues.
(DIR) Post #9iqpAxuSOOtOJgSkl6 by sir@cmpwn.com
2019-05-14T23:08:33Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@brainblasted I wasn't able to get through to Todd on the VPN issue, either. He doesn't like to change his mind
(DIR) Post #9iqplrZeuVkHNkKRzk by brainblasted@social.libre.fi
2019-05-14T23:09:46.375917Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@sir what was the VPN issue?
(DIR) Post #9iqplrhSRVz3lvyg9Q by sir@cmpwn.com
2019-05-14T23:10:23Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@brainblasted Purism partnering with Private Internet Access to provide a commercial VPN option out of the box. I wrote a blog post about why this is harmful after I failed to get through to Todd:https://drewdevault.com/2019/04/19/Your-VPN-is-a-serious-choice.html
(DIR) Post #9iqplrwLY9tSW6wZMG by sproid@mastodon.technology
2019-05-15T17:08:36Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@sirDid you have recommendations for trusted VPNs? At least as trusted as it can be. @brainblasted
(DIR) Post #9iqplsBadU5RHO4k7M by sir@cmpwn.com
2019-05-15T17:08:57Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@sproid @brainblasted I gave my recommendations in the article. I can't recommend any commercial VPN
(DIR) Post #9iqqTbaTi5p8XdZOnA by sproid@mastodon.technology
2019-05-15T17:11:22Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@sirSorry I meant commercial VPNs. I read the article. @brainblasted
(DIR) Post #9ir2zCsuHy1Edz1cAK by brainblasted@social.libre.fi
2019-05-14T20:49:26.640135Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
Todd also had this strange view that by applying a policy that Purism would immediately become “dictators”, and that moderators within the fediverse are dictators…
(DIR) Post #9ir2zD4Fbn5pDAKfqa by BestGirlGrace@social.illegalpornography.com
2019-05-14T23:51:45Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@brainblasted Dictatorship is bad, unless you're implementing the policies of dictators, which is fine.
(DIR) Post #9ir2zDGIsyjZoXyIdM by brainblasted@social.libre.fi
2019-05-14T23:55:12.679210Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@BestGirlGrace this was the baffling thing to me.
(DIR) Post #9ir2zDVXyIvYZp6TOS by BestGirlGrace@social.illegalpornography.com
2019-05-14T23:58:39Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@brainblasted Some instances are run cooperatively with some kind of board, maybe that'd be better for Todd.Honestly, it sounds like any kind of moderation is a tough sell for them.
(DIR) Post #9ir2zDiJCr8TDP4fHk by brainblasted@social.libre.fi
2019-05-14T23:59:54.138202Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@BestGirlGrace that’s the jist of it - it seemed like “not controlling speech” was an absolute requirement for him.
(DIR) Post #9ir2zDu0VMUdngY0WG by brainblasted@social.libre.fi
2019-05-15T00:00:19.054819Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@BestGirlGrace but that it was absolutely okay to defer control of speech to other countries
(DIR) Post #9ir2zE9FaggcYxgBHM by BestGirlGrace@social.illegalpornography.com
2019-05-15T00:13:44Z
0 likes, 1 repeats
@brainblasted I get it, moderation is hard, but would you want to live on a server with no mechanism for removing folks?
(DIR) Post #9ir3gpghtYWXRT7ZCK by webmind@social.weho.st
2019-05-15T09:40:17Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@brainblastedReminds of the argument of the church; you can only have external morals and values(in this case legislation) or none at all. Completely ignoring the ability for individuals and smaller groups to develop their own moral code. So very flawed. Thanks for your efforts btw.
(DIR) Post #9ir3ohruqnS1VY7PQ8 by rick_777@cybre.space
2019-05-15T01:16:12Z
0 likes, 1 repeats
@brainblastedThe logical conclusion is that #Purism 's main goal, above everything else, is to make money.They're not here to give users freedom of choice, they're not here to fight monopolies - maybe they even want to become one -, they want to sell stuff and grow their market as fast as they can; even if that means playing nice with oppressive governments.In other words: far from being heroes, they're opportunists.