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(DIR) Post #9iSCHosj8m0fpu9hY0 by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T02:56:38Z
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(1) Another Tommy Robinson-style anti-Muslim activist has been sentenced in the UK. This one used threatening language in a public speech and now has to do 180 hours of community service. I'd be happy to introduce her to some of the 49 New Zealanders recently injured by a terrorist purely because of their Muslim faith. Perhaps she could mop floors in their hospital rooms.
(DIR) Post #9iSCHpDdt0jwslwP9E by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T02:58:31Z
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(2) Here are examples of media coverage from both sides of the issue in the UK: The far left BBC: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-48147994The lunatic fringe anti-Muslim movement: https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/05/british-activist-sentenced-for-denying-existence-of-moderate-islam
(DIR) Post #9iSCHpPLBW67T3PkNk by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T03:02:23Z
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(3) Both of the above media outlets get it wrong, but let's focus on the apologists for anti-Muslim whackjobs. They said: "The non-existence of moderate Islam is a point asserted by countless Muslim and non-Muslim leaders. Like Erdogan.""“There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it,” Turkey’s Islamic leader has said." As usual, they take his words out of context. Now, I detest Erdogan. Esp. after what he said about NZ & AU soldiers recently.
(DIR) Post #9iSCHpjtx4XoUp2AQi by capnjoe@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T03:14:31Z
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@GodlessNZ I don't think they took Erdogan's words out of context. I believe he meant exactly what he said.According to his interpretation of the Quran, and Hadiths we must submit or be killed. We are infidels.There's no other option available in his mind or that of his followers.
(DIR) Post #9iSH7DFug5lw13lJjs by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T03:06:19Z
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(4) Erdogan's response to the 15/3 terrorist attack in NZ was to warn that if any of us visiting Turkey for the annual joint ANZAC-Turkish war remembrance services threaten locals, we'd be sent back in caskets like our forefathers were. Which is about as disgusting a thing as any Turkish leader could say to us. We'd never threaten the Turks in 2019. His predecessors were gracious peacemakers. It's thanks to them that we can even visit our military graves in Turkey.
(DIR) Post #9iSH7Dg96YkvKQ2Gcy by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T03:11:38Z
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(5) So yeah, I'm not an apologist for Erdogan. But he is right when he says Islam is a religious group that obviously is not full of terrorists. The way I see it is this. Yes, Al Qaeda & friends are enemies of humanity, terrorists, killers, & they must be stopped using any & all means available. The family who live next door to me, and their friend who was injured on 15/3 are not terrorists. And I will not stay silent while they are threatened in the way this "activist" threatened people.
(DIR) Post #9iSH7E5JaytAaToMrI by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T03:15:37Z
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(6) I feel the same way when any group is threatened with violence and terrorism, whether it is Muslims, Jews, Christians, atheists, conservatives, lesbians, or anyone who is not breaking the law and not harming others. Maybe it's the Christian faith I was raised in, IDK. I was taught to look out for the underdog, the widows and orphans, anyone vulnerable who needs my help. That's apparently what Jesus did.
(DIR) Post #9iSH7EQELDcRdLb4SW by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T03:25:14Z
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(7) Free speech is a hot topic at the moment, which is just as it should be. The USA was founded on the principle of rationally arguing the case for the laws we want and respecting the electoral process so that peace and prosperity can be maintained. There *are* limits to the rights affirmed in 1A. The SCOTUS has ruled, and it will again.
(DIR) Post #9iSH7EkR85mYe13CxE by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T03:29:30Z
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(8) I find some of the speech-limiting actions of the UK and NZ governments to be a bridge too far. But I'm not one of the people who screech about it at every opportunity as if our countries "have fallen" and are now totalitarian regimes. I'm just as concerned about the people who blatantly incite violence against law abiding citizens that are part of minority groups. I support them being locked up for a time, according to the law.
(DIR) Post #9iSH7F1o5Vg1VtB51s by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T03:30:56Z
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(9) Some people may think that there's nothing you could say in a speech in the US that would get you locked up for a while. Those people are of course wrong about that. Our countries draw the line in different places, that's all. END
(DIR) Post #9iSH7FZ85cKdBElgy8 by capnjoe@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T04:08:37Z
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@GodlessNZ Could you please explain your @GodlessNZ moniker if you were raised in the Christian faith?Why adopt such a name?
(DIR) Post #9iSHEpx9CUoG3pcVeq by capnjoe@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T04:10:00Z
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@GodlessNZ There are more Muslim terrorists than there are Christian terrorists.
(DIR) Post #9iSHJiFLHSo5biSIwi by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T04:10:54Z
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@capnjoe @GodlessNZ Godless New Zeland?Damn you are slow today, Joe.
(DIR) Post #9iSHMRmqvv1rQaQx8q by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T04:11:24Z
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@capnjoe @GodlessNZ Factually wrong, actually.
(DIR) Post #9iSHPBTw0muJj8tFFw by capnjoe@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T04:11:53Z
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@Debradelai @GodlessNZ Really?
(DIR) Post #9iSHXo3WTifTg9eCrg by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T04:13:26Z
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@capnjoe @GodlessNZ Unlike other folks I do not kid around with this subject.And by now you should know that.
(DIR) Post #9iSHYBN9mt2Vzi0iA4 by capnjoe@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T04:13:30Z
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@Debradelai @GodlessNZ I guess so...
(DIR) Post #9iSHfSITGGGeVmHpyK by capnjoe@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T04:14:49Z
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@Debradelai @GodlessNZ I'm not kidding!How can you say my statement is false?I don't see anyone blowing themselves up for Christ.
(DIR) Post #9iSHhksBARCkhe5MLQ by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T04:15:14Z
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@capnjoe Because sadly, NZ is a Godless country. And also because 5 years ago when I first joined Twitter I chose the name because I was part of the secular liberal movement online. Trump woke me up and I've been a hardcore conservative ever since. I like to try and be a bridge between people of faith and nonbelievers. We can and do achieve great things together as conservatives. I don't think humanity is ready to get rid of faith in a Creator. But religious freedom rights must be respected.
(DIR) Post #9iSHpdRUg3PjyUMS8m by capnjoe@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T04:16:40Z
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@GodlessNZ Thank you.
(DIR) Post #9iSHvHqlrzb6kEsa8G by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T04:17:41Z
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@capnjoe @Debradelai I'm not saying this murderer was solely motivated by Christianity but his personal beliefs did play a role in his crime and I think that should be studied. https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2019/april-web-only/whos-to-blame-synagogue-shooting-orthodox-presbyterian.html
(DIR) Post #9iSIUl3vFfizTowdQe by bbhack@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T04:24:05Z
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@capnjoe @Debradelai @GodlessNZ I rebuke anyone claiming to be Christian committing terrorism or murder, and I claim they are not Christian. I am nobody, but there it is.
(DIR) Post #9iSItw7nG7L91rlGgS by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T04:28:38Z
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@capnjoe I can't answer for @Debradelai but I'll give you my two cents worth on your question. None of us have defined what we understand the terms "Muslim terrorist" & "Christian terrorist" to mean. I don't see any point in doing it anyway, bc IMO Islamists are not Muslims. They are political extremists hijacking a faith of 1.8 billion people for their purposes. Just like killers have done throughout history with other faiths. I hold individuals responsible for their choices, not a group.
(DIR) Post #9iSJ6EaASYntkWtghc by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T04:30:52Z
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@bbhack @capnjoe @Debradelai I rebuke anyone claiming to be Muslim committing terrorism or murder, and I claim they are not Muslim. I rebuke anyone claiming to be Jewish committing terrorism or murder, and I claim they are not Jewish. I rebuke anyone claiming to be human committing terrorism or murder, and I claim they are not human. We could go on all night...
(DIR) Post #9iSJCO48789ctmqUng by capnjoe@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T04:31:59Z
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@GodlessNZ @Debradelai By that reasoning, any terrorist who acts "on behalf of Christendom" is also a hijacker.A murderer is a murderer.
(DIR) Post #9iSJFJNXzoEXEQK3hA by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T04:32:31Z
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@capnjoe Now you're getting it. 😎 @Debradelai
(DIR) Post #9iSJGUSMIMSPsU8QpU by capnjoe@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T04:32:44Z
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@GodlessNZ @Debradelai I always got it!
(DIR) Post #9iSJLoM3jzUz2Vj3pI by bbhack@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T04:33:41Z
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@GodlessNZ @capnjoe @Debradelai Only if you're both Jewish and Muslim. You missed my point, but that was my fault for not being clear.
(DIR) Post #9iSJTouFZfYx4BXMyu by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T04:35:08Z
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@bbhack OK then, what was your point? The topic is the thread above, ie the laws in the UK against inciting people to violence against minority groups. @capnjoe @Debradelai
(DIR) Post #9iSJZhZHlofa2rXHTk by bbhack@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T04:36:12Z
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@GodlessNZ @capnjoe @Debradelai As a Christian, I rebuke anyone who murders or commits terrorism, and claims to be a Christian.
(DIR) Post #9iSJjyPO0sFHAcnrzE by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T04:38:03Z
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@bbhackRepeating your statement doesn't help your audience to understand your point, ie what you were trying to say about the topic. If you don't want to explain it, that's fine. Plenty more fish in the sea. @capnjoe @Debradelai
(DIR) Post #9iSJxXf4FrUqGnblgm by bbhack@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T04:40:30Z
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@GodlessNZ @capnjoe @Debradelai I did not just repeat, I clarified.
(DIR) Post #9iSKnYDxPL374cj9fs by capnjoe@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T04:49:54Z
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@GodlessNZ @Debradelai Muslim Terrorist. Any scary, violent person who commits acts of human destruction or intimidation on behalf of his or her religious understanding or faith.Christian Terrorist. Any scary, violent person who commits acts of human destruction or intimidation on behalf of his or her religious understanding or faith.The goal is the same. Power and control.https://www.dictionary.com/browse/terroristAlso see terrorism.https://www.dictionary.com/browse/terrorism
(DIR) Post #9iSMGtSHeMMfGxz3j6 by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T05:06:25Z
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@bbhack @GodlessNZ @capnjoe Buddhists and Shinto you accept, then?What a stupid, vacuous, meaningless statement.
(DIR) Post #9iSMN0CRUFt7vaUG9Y by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T05:07:31Z
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@capnjoe @GodlessNZ Start with the duck face in San Diego and work your way back to Bobby Booth.Your ignorance is no argument.
(DIR) Post #9iSMhc5CLdSVDCvWIC by capnjoe@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T05:11:14Z
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@Debradelai @GodlessNZ So, now I'm ignorant?I am really struggling to understand you, Saul.What set you off?
(DIR) Post #9iSMnse1gVrQJaCoRk by EarlThePearls@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T05:12:23Z
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@capnjoe @Debradelai @GodlessNZ He is not insulting you.He is saying do more research and eliminate the lack of knowing (ignorance)
(DIR) Post #9iSMqdV4RpIoDKKZjE by bbhack@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T05:12:52Z
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@Debradelai @GodlessNZ @capnjoe I'm not one, never have been or will be, know little about them. I'm on their outside, and have nothing to say about their identification.
(DIR) Post #9iSN0aKR5uPFH16IJU by capnjoe@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T05:14:40Z
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@EarlThePearls @Debradelai @GodlessNZ It's impossible to come up with a list of Christian terrorists that outnumbers Islamic terrorists.Prove me wrong and I'll donate $200.
(DIR) Post #9iSNA04KlIWpiC3gIK by EarlThePearls@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T05:16:22Z
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@capnjoe @Debradelai @GodlessNZ Will see what my meagre mind mines mananaand report back.For starters. IRA and the troubles
(DIR) Post #9iSNIDhFyh6OIJBS88 by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T05:17:11Z
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@EarlThePearls @capnjoe @Debradelai Yes, I interpret the use of the term "ignorance" as being like the old saying "ignorance of the law is no defense." In other words, just because I don't know about many of the terrorist incidents, doesn't mean they didn't happen. In my experience, Saul invites us to look for the answers to our questions instead of giving us the answer. My mother, a school teacher, has done that all my life. Great method.
(DIR) Post #9iSNIDzgs9qbDToArY by capnjoe@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T05:17:51Z
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@GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls @Debradelai Is that what that was?
(DIR) Post #9iSNIpqo7dJwcvwcIC by bbhack@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T05:17:58Z
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@Debradelai @GodlessNZ @capnjoe I did not say anything about any other religion except Christianity.
(DIR) Post #9iSNQEbQUekNQ9HJXk by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T05:19:18Z
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@capnjoe @EarlThePearls @Debradelai Have you been reading Saul's stuff for a while?
(DIR) Post #9iSOGMREbczamTMoN6 by EarlThePearls@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T05:28:42Z
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@capnjoe @Debradelai @GodlessNZ A starter list of some more recent Christian Terrorists. Ignore the troll reference in the link and title. It is not directed at ushttps://www.upworthy.com/a-troll-demanded-a-muslim-man-show-examples-of-christian-terrorists-he-delivered
(DIR) Post #9iSPLKWRG0CWExjavQ by EarlThePearls@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T05:37:43Z
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@capnjoe @Debradelai @GodlessNZ Here is a list of Islamist terror acts. Source seems biased.https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/christian-attacks.aspx
(DIR) Post #9iSPLKgMf68mjkNWOe by capnjoe@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T05:40:50Z
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@EarlThePearls @Debradelai @GodlessNZ I don't fucking care!A killer is a killer.I want statistics. If somebody can prove to me that more Christians are committing acts of terrorism than are Muslims, I'll donate $200.Until then, in this day and age, I don't believe it.That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
(DIR) Post #9iSPhg2ZvtqvLiQJo8 by EarlThePearls@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T05:44:51Z
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@capnjoe @Debradelai @GodlessNZ I think the point is more that people of all stripes can do rather nasty things.Look at all the ethnic cleansings that have happened throughout historyI believe s-MB has survived some of it. It is quite harrowing to read his personal history
(DIR) Post #9iSQEgEiE5FvVpptmC by capnjoe@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T05:50:50Z
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@EarlThePearls @Debradelai @GodlessNZ That's what I said! "The heart of man is desperately wicked! Who can know it?"Murder can hide in anyone.For a time.I'm done with it now.Everything is Awesome.I am a robot.
(DIR) Post #9iSQkrnmlDhmeKaZv6 by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T05:56:39Z
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@EarlThePearls @capnjoe @GodlessNZ I am aghast that that toot needed translation.You are correct, of course, but I doubt you'll have any effect.
(DIR) Post #9iSREqp8xgNQIsWPdA by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T06:02:04Z
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@capnjoe @EarlThePearls @GodlessNZ What you believe or not believe is not my fucking concern.Take your 200 and shove them up your ignorant arse.Do not tag me anymore.I have no taste for bellicose, bigoted and uncouth ignorance.Over 200,000 dead in Latin America, Spain, Italy, Ireland and England thanks to Christian terrorists you don't even know exist.IRA, ETA, FARC, Montoneros, Tupamaros, FMLN, TDA, and DOZENS more.Sod off.
(DIR) Post #9iSRfndCwIhyDkmyWG by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T06:06:56Z
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@EarlThePearls @capnjoe @GodlessNZ Source is a bunch of fucking bigots, and the list is incomplete, to boot.
(DIR) Post #9iSRpU6iNsowZ1D0oS by bbhack@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T06:08:41Z
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@Debradelai @capnjoe @EarlThePearls @GodlessNZ FARC Christian?
(DIR) Post #9iSS9OwTIXRUKsulo8 by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T06:12:17Z
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@bbhack @capnjoe @EarlThePearls @GodlessNZ Ever heard of Camilo Torres?If you had you wouldn't be asking silly questions.
(DIR) Post #9iSSLbNCuA1wMjEnRI by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T06:14:29Z
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@bbhack @GodlessNZ @capnjoe Precisely.You "rebuke" them.And no others.Read the silly toot you wrote and, please, do not tag me.
(DIR) Post #9iSTlMtxQuAsxvPHO4 by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T06:30:21Z
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@bbhack What part of #DontPokeTheBear do you not understand?@capnjoe @EarlThePearls
(DIR) Post #9iSWPSKGssqFHSxRGi by hejoural@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T07:00:00Z
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@Debradelai Decades ago I worked with a man who I later found out was deeply involved with the IRA. He made many anti-Catholic comments to me during the time I knew him and had no use for any other religions either. He was an atheist and a Marxist, just like his grandfather, who had been of the leaders of the 1916 Easter Rising. I don't think he would have objected to being called a terrorist... but a Christian? That would have crossed a line.@capnjoe @EarlThePearls @GodlessNZ
(DIR) Post #9iSpLBbR16pFNxfBfU by 00_jackie@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T10:32:08Z
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@Debradelai @capnjoe @EarlThePearls @GodlessNZ This is exactly what ruins Quod. I’ve sat back and observed for some time. As long as no one disagrees with Saul, life is good. The minute there is a difference of opinion, (because we’re all so fucking ignorant) Katie bar the door. Saul your bedside manner sucks and it makes me puke to see all the good little running around kissing your ass. And as soon as my ignorant ass figures out how to delete my account, I’m out.
(DIR) Post #9iSvcA18lQh17HAEsK by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T11:42:25Z
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@Debradelai After reading your toot above, I looked up Camilo Torres, who I'd never heard of. What a POS. I remember hearing about "liberation theology" years ago but never scratched the surface to learn about it. Seemed like a peaceful faction of the church. How little I knew, from allowing media & college to spoon feed me. Thanks for telling me about him. I'm more motivated than ever to tell others about accurate history. @EarlThePearls
(DIR) Post #9iT1CDzvwQVVepcEpk by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T12:44:59Z
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@GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls They were behind many terrorist groups in South America, always led by or manipulated by priests.The "Jesus was the first Communist" bullshit.That POS is but a small sample.From Mujica to Cardenal, from Bobby Sands to Otegui, the examples of the Cross leading "Marxists" movements abound.Forty years and counting.
(DIR) Post #9iT6NWf9NzamVA6QfQ by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T13:43:02Z
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@redwhitebluedude @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls So much in common, infact, that the Catholic Action boys of Montoneros used to train together with the Islamists of al-Jihad in Eastern Lybia.Or the altar boys of ETA collaborating with al-Qa'ida in Madrid...
(DIR) Post #9iT6r1v0G025pyaPo0 by cressie@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T13:48:22Z
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@Debradelai @redwhitebluedude @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls Who shares commonality with:*South America*Communism*Protecting terrorists*Supporting illegal migration*Liberation TheologyPope Francis. Their main man.
(DIR) Post #9iT79s5h1IaYrMZRcu by breathdeep@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T13:51:47Z
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@Debradelai @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls "Cross leading Marxists" seems like a pretty important qualifier
(DIR) Post #9iT7PVXWdFcBYI2r2W by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T13:54:36Z
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@cressie @redwhitebluedude @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls More than you know.https://www.saulmontes-bradley.com/the-black-shirt-pope/
(DIR) Post #9iT7SfCj9jREOXp0pk by EarlThePearls@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T13:55:10Z
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@Debradelai @capnjoe @GodlessNZ I'm stubborn. I'll keep on trying.If I trigger just one to go off on a learning tangent....
(DIR) Post #9iT7lWgb3CvjThmsBk by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T13:58:35Z
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@redwhitebluedude @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls What some folks seem to have a problem understanding is that any religion can be manipulated and used to support just about every conceivable ideology.By concentrating on the peculiarities of religion (or the perverted forms of it) they miss the ideology boat entirely.There is no difference between the aims of the Social Doctrine of the Catholic church and those of the "Call for Global Jihad" of al-Qa'ida's.None.
(DIR) Post #9iT7pohrzc08WgQe6S by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T13:59:22Z
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@breathdeep @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls It's not a qualifier at all.Merely a description of facts.
(DIR) Post #9iT83j6pbI9ZDijkga by breathdeep@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T14:01:52Z
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@Debradelai @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls perhaps not the best choice of wordswe are in violent agreementIm reading your thread about the MB from yesterdaythat 16 year plan to destroy America meme seems in a lot of ways to be real
(DIR) Post #9iT8I8fnLpj4YkxmfA by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T14:04:29Z
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@redwhitebluedude @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearlsBingo!
(DIR) Post #9iT8T9dy5D5iksMT8i by cressie@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T14:06:28Z
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@Debradelai @redwhitebluedude @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls1 When this photo came out, many were quick to state that Francis didn't care for it. "That's not right."But focus on the giver. How did that man even begin to feel comfortable giving such a thing to *his* pope? He was surely proud of the monstrosity. No one gives bits of flotsam and jetsam to someone they are honoring (unless you are three or younger.) So how did this man come to think this thing would be a fitting gift for the pope?
(DIR) Post #9iT8dOQRykaHUpv8jI by cressie@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T14:08:19Z
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@Debradelai @redwhitebluedude @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls 2He knew the man when he was Cardinal Bregoglio. That's why. He knew the man behind the Pope. What the Pope must decry as "Not right," Bregoglio had demonstrated by his practice what he thought was good.
(DIR) Post #9iT9FzOOz7pB9SMnGi by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T14:15:18Z
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@cressie @redwhitebluedude @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls That's Evo Morales.Earlier, in a speech hosted by that turd, Francis referred to capitalism as "the dung of the Devil."So I guess the present expressed the Pope's feelings well.Very thoughtful of the man named after a Nazi spy in WWII, now President of Bolivia.Note the Jesuit's pathetic attempt at explaining this abject fascist statement away, never mind the social warrying "reporter."https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/07/10/pope-francis-calls-modern-capitalism-dung-of-the-devil.cnn
(DIR) Post #9iT9PXEyVa2WjeVclU by cressie@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T14:17:01Z
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@Debradelai @redwhitebluedude @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls Thanks. I'd forgotten his name. That photo, more than anything, demonstrates exactly who Francis is.
(DIR) Post #9iT9wYJLY6pPbzIWH2 by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T14:22:59Z
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@redwhitebluedude @cressie @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls What came first, the chicken or the egg?
(DIR) Post #9iTBMd2qffShmEZxEe by WarriorPoet@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T14:38:54Z
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@Debradelai @redwhitebluedude @cressie @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls I thought it was the rooster😜
(DIR) Post #9iTBZA0vv0brVIetcm by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T14:41:10Z
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@redwhitebluedude @cressie @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls This chicken:"Those Catholics are worthy of all praise...who...have striven...to better the condition of the working class by rightful means." (55)How must one's possessions be used? - the Church replies without hesitation..."Man should not consider his material possessions as his own, but as common to all, so as to share them without hesitation when others are in need." (22)Read and vomit.Birth of Fascism.http://w2.vatican.va/content/leo-xiii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_15051891_rerum-novarum.html
(DIR) Post #9iTByskmiOPhV6N1Oa by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T14:45:49Z
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@WarriorPoet @redwhitebluedude @cressie @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls That egg ain't fertilized.It's an evolutionary dead end.Resolves the question.
(DIR) Post #9iTCuWtu7bJgWM7lo0 by Elizabethqe20@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T14:56:14Z
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@Debradelai @cressie @redwhitebluedude @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls How the hell did I miss this article?
(DIR) Post #9iTGdyj5oTBfiLQlEW by cressie@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T15:38:04Z
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@Debradelai @redwhitebluedude @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls Perhaps I'm confused. That's one line of the document expressing how a man should use his possessions "when others are in need." It is at that point Rerum Novarum is stressing the obligation for charity.In context, the rest of the document:1
(DIR) Post #9iTGlPD7k8X7sh1EuG by cressie@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T15:39:24Z
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@Debradelai @redwhitebluedude @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls 2(4) Decries and condemns socialism. (5) A workingman's earned possessions are his own. Again condemns socialism.(6) "What is of far greater moment, however, is the fact that the remedy they [socialists] propose is manifestly against justice. For, every man has by nature the right to possess property as his own."
(DIR) Post #9iTGvNgwFJaS47imB6 by cressie@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T15:41:13Z
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@Debradelai @redwhitebluedude @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls 3(14) "The contention, then, that the civil government should at its option intrude into and exercise intimate control over the family and the household is a great and pernicious error. True, if a family finds itself in exceeding distress, utterly deprived of the counsel of friends, and without any prospect of extricating itself, it is right that extreme necessity be met by public aid, since each family is a part of the commonwealth."
(DIR) Post #9iTHO6EqDQLoKjGz9E by cressie@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T15:46:24Z
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@Debradelai @redwhitebluedude @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls 4(22) discusses from Thomas Aquinas that a man has a right to money and property, but not a right to use such things against his neighbor. Rather, they are to be used in service to one's neighbor. As I read it, Rerum Novarum is distinctly against form of government that would strip a man of private property, but also stresses the need for charity.
(DIR) Post #9iTKXXeJyHRRodNvcm by cressie@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T16:21:44Z
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@Debradelai @redwhitebluedude @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls 5The more I ponder it, Rerum Verum, written in 1891, is being distinctly refuted by Francis when he speaks disdain for capitalism.🤔 🙄
(DIR) Post #9iTKZQcF5oIYa4JQ80 by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T16:22:03Z
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@cressie @redwhitebluedude @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls 1. I gave you the entire document for context, so I suggest you read it.The key to the phrase is:""Man should not consider his material possessions as his own, but as common to all"Pure Marx.Despite your obfuscations.
(DIR) Post #9iTKuPlnQtyK2Rmv8y by cressie@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T16:25:50Z
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@Debradelai @redwhitebluedude @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearlsSure. That simple phrase is pure Marx. I agree with you.If you want a so-called Christian defense of Marx, there's always Acts 2:44.Which it really isn't.
(DIR) Post #9iTL2S0uyRyFJYh1qy by Sarah_Roberts@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T16:27:17Z
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@DebradelaiWhen you live behind the walls of Vatican City, then all the material possessions are theirs. @redwhitebluedude @cressie @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls
(DIR) Post #9iTL4ivp2qfsMaORzE by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T16:27:43Z
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@hejoural @capnjoe @EarlThePearls @GodlessNZ Generalizing from the particular is one of the oldest and most perverse Jesuitisms.Tell your friend's stories to the priests that supported the IRA politically and logistically.
(DIR) Post #9iTL6Uex4yXWg7LWxk by cressie@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T16:28:02Z
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@Sarah_Roberts @Debradelai @redwhitebluedude @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls Which is one reason I am not RC.
(DIR) Post #9iTLWJpxwHdUdtoQu8 by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T16:32:42Z
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@00_jackie @capnjoe @EarlThePearls @GodlessNZ You can disagree with me all you want, as most do.No problem there.The minute someone posts a bigoted statement about ANY group, they are gone.Simple rule.If you do not like my "bedside manners"...ignore or block me.And don't even try to kiss my ass.That would make ME puke.Nobody is forcing you to be here.Let me know if you want your account deleted.I'll gladly offer you assistance.It is, after all, a free forum.
(DIR) Post #9iTLuGJMhQv4eoyrlA by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T16:37:02Z
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@cressie Agreed.The experienced snake oil salesmen of Liberation Theology are experts at nitpicking scripture out of context to justify their Fascist ideology.Yours is one such good example.
(DIR) Post #9iTM8fwaC9tYD3CIMq by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T16:39:38Z
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@cressie @redwhitebluedude @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls On the contrary, he reaffirms it in Laudato Si.Oh, yes, It is Rerum NOVARUM.
(DIR) Post #9iTMbU6bHz7NtJcVwO by cressie@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T16:44:51Z
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@Debradelai @redwhitebluedude @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls That may be. A return, that is.Look, when it comes to things theological, I don't care for crap language. The phrase you pointed out and have problems with I do also. It, and others, renders the document rather open to "make of it what you will." Lack of clarity doesn't cover it. More, speaking out of both sides of the mouth. Someone defending capitalism could find defense in there, too. In the hands of a Marxist like Francis...
(DIR) Post #9iTQ0xpGE6AXAYLoJc by masterblaster@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T17:23:03Z
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@Debradelai @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls The Liberation Theologists. Liberating from Liberty and life is all these sacks of crap ever did .
(DIR) Post #9iTQINn8wIBycjfMxM by masterblaster@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T17:26:12Z
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@Debradelai @bbhack @capnjoe @EarlThePearls @GodlessNZ I forgot that SOB, thanks Saul.
(DIR) Post #9iTR8ULBpodTzgRASe by hejoural@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T17:35:37Z
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@Debradelai My "friend" would have taken support from anyone who was stupid enough to offer it. It doesn't mean he was one of them.He bragged got his personal money from Moscow. @capnjoe @EarlThePearls @GodlessNZ
(DIR) Post #9iTSyT5xoKXn8wfINE by zetetic@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T17:56:14Z
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@cressie @Debradelai @redwhitebluedude @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearlsIn Rerum Novarum what is interesting to me is that Locke's justification for property (mixing labor with work) is adapted to capital/labor Marxist talk.The metaphor of land (capital) and fruit (labor) implies everyone should have capital for future needs.This plays a moral and intellectual "high ground" basis (based on the Church) for redistribution and clearly says that once a person has enough, it is a duty to distribute.
(DIR) Post #9iTTIsOpRKH7PmDiu8 by cressie@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T17:59:54Z
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@zetetic @Debradelai @redwhitebluedude @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls Sure. It's quite frankly a scholastic word salad dressed up as a theological statement. I prefer clarity.Laudato Si is an even greater mess, arguing for full bore Marxist globalism as "the common good." I'm not RC. I do with papal bulls what Luther did.
(DIR) Post #9iTTPYsaPg4OtxKKlU by zetetic@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T17:58:48Z
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@cressie @Debradelai @redwhitebluedude @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearlsAll it takes is Church political power to justify unions as means of ensuring "excess" capital is redistributed.Without "land" those who labor for "fruit" are disadvantaged.
(DIR) Post #9iTTPZ6lYxPdbvxero by cressie@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T18:01:07Z
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@zetetic @Debradelai @redwhitebluedude @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls But, quite frankly, that's the purpose of every labor union.
(DIR) Post #9iTTYMqgVoyMCAdWbY by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T18:02:42Z
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@zetetic @cressie @redwhitebluedude @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls Yep. Pacem in Terris does the same thing.They lead to Laudato Si and the "right to migrate."Here you have a sampler:https://www.saulmontes-bradley.com/fascism-and-the-church/
(DIR) Post #9iTUKoNpRUoZUaEtge by Lonestar@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T18:11:28Z
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@Debradelai @redwhitebluedude @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls - and I expect those who distort and weaponize religion for earthly gains will, one day, reap their just rewards.
(DIR) Post #9iTUZASCBL87zr7x3Y by zetetic@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T18:14:04Z
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@cressie @Debradelai @redwhitebluedude @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearlsYeah I agree it is meant for the scholastic crowd, but it is very clear from the beginning it intends as rhetoric to speak to and assume Marxist divisions.The fact it doesn't mention Locke at all shows that Lockean thought challenges their authority.So they appropriate it to the spirit of the times.
(DIR) Post #9iTUgs16c7Tp8G84C8 by drew12289@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T18:15:27Z
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@Debradelai @cressie @redwhitebluedude @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls Well, then... Adios 8th Commandment.
(DIR) Post #9iTWBPgy4gn6DQq0RM by cressie@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T18:32:11Z
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@redwhitebluedude @drew12289 @Debradelai @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls Well, sure. Socialism is the economic system of covetousness. He has more than I do. He should give to me what I want of his. Never fails to amaze me that "Christian" communes based on Act 2:44 are also sexually licentious.Now we are on to the Sixth.When in fact it all has to do with not being able the keep the First.
(DIR) Post #9iTnufV5qPCrUrRs4u by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T21:50:51Z
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@cressie Personally, I think voluntary charity is awesome. Did you notice which word of that sentence is the most important? @Debradelai @redwhitebluedude @EarlThePearls
(DIR) Post #9iTqbC35Q8joVwknOS by rarity@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T22:20:57Z
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@cressie @Debradelai @redwhitebluedude @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls I think that’s what Saul meant earlier about the Jesuit talent for obfuscation. Of course, I now can’t find where he wrote it. It might have been in his blog post.🤔
(DIR) Post #9iTr1ZupJ6DI45TIeW by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T22:25:43Z
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@cressie @redwhitebluedude @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls Only to the weak minded.The Social Doctrine could not be clearer, whatever pseudo theological mumbo jumbo you'd like to aply to minor disected parts.Francis did not invented it.I'll take "that may be" as the cowardly cop out it usually is.
(DIR) Post #9iTry3fyoeqLA4PdvU by oystergirl@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T22:36:17Z
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@Debradelai @redwhitebluedude @cressie @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls Pretty sure you have Saul but few read In Defense of Selfishness by Ayn Rand. Back in highschool I knew that benevolent charity and altruism was a TOOL of the elite to crush those of compassionate heart. Simply the plenary indulgence of our time.
(DIR) Post #9iTuEj6mjt9OCf1gzA by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T23:01:42Z
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@oystergirl @redwhitebluedude @cressie @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls I did, decades ago, and was elated to find I was not alone.I understand Charity as love, in particular love of mankind.The voluntary, uncontrolled acts of Charity are humanity at its best.Coerced charity, on the other hand, in particular when invoked as a means for thievery under the guise of redistribution of hard earned wealth...well, that I see as humanity at its worst.
(DIR) Post #9iTvQKusbtTabOYd4S by HockeyMom@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T23:15:00Z
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@Debradelai @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls When I was a kid I remember my mother excoriating the Maryknoll nuns as a communist front group. Yes, front and center leading the flock astray.
(DIR) Post #9iTw7Dn0z27Gx0KOTQ by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T23:22:44Z
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@HockeyMom @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls Your mom was correct.They are.
(DIR) Post #9iTwF2trM2lnUgGCye by Lemonhead@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T23:24:10Z
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@Debradelai @oystergirl @redwhitebluedude @cressie @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls Truth 👏👏
(DIR) Post #9iTxIobQYN6OGR04Po by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T23:36:04Z
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@Debradelai @EarlThePearls @HockeyMom, Yo Mama so patriotic and smart! I love her already.
(DIR) Post #9iTzGYpERT2Af1VfrE by knotreally@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T03:40:15Z
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@GodlessNZ Of course being Muslim does not automatically make anyone a bad person. The trouble is the religion itself. It has a real violent side, more so than any other religion today. And the tenets of the religion make it resistant to reform. The Quran is the perfect, final word of Allah in his own words, so it's very easy for the violent to justify their actions. The bloody history of Islam should not be ignored or excused.
(DIR) Post #9iTzGZ1zg1F5IbTrkW by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T03:56:15Z
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@knotreally If I said: "Of course being American does not automatically make anyone a bad person. The trouble is the country itself. It has a real violent side, more so than any other country today. And the tenets of the constitution make it resistant to reform. Some Americans believe the church represents the biblical Israel, so it's very easy for the violent to justify their actions. The bloody history of America should not be ignored or excused." How would you respond?
(DIR) Post #9iTzGZAVAO31izSf0i by knotreally@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T17:20:24Z
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@GodlessNZ Not a good analogy. There's nothing in the Constitution ordering the killing of people who don't believe in the Constitution. Nobody who believes in it believes that America has the destiny to conquer the whole world, and treat non-believers as second-class citizens. Enlightenment values say we should treat all regions equally, but the sad fact is that all religions aren't the same.
(DIR) Post #9iTzGZIIhOHo7B6tAO by knotreally@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T17:26:55Z
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@GodlessNZ *all religions equally
(DIR) Post #9iTzGZTe1DMOgMPwqe by knotreally@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T17:54:50Z
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@GodlessNZ What's Christian equivalent of this sort of thing? It's just one of countless examples.https://twitter.com/MEMRIReports/status/1124229721431130112
(DIR) Post #9iTzGZdvOzaFCFE9s8 by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-04T23:58:03Z
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@knotreally @GodlessNZ David Koresh and his ilk, for starters. Or the Christian barbarians in these pictures.The fallacy of generalization from the particular is the first refuge of Jesuits and other intellectual cowards.Cut it out with your bigotry.This is your only warning.
(DIR) Post #9iUHDkhpc0OzoWrJQG by cressie@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-05T03:19:14Z
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@Debradelai @redwhitebluedude @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls "That may be" meant I hadn't read Laudato Si yet, so until I had read it, I would defer to you, but not with certitude.
(DIR) Post #9iUHeV9pWpx9PUi5Fg by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-05T03:24:05Z
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@cressie @redwhitebluedude @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls Don't tag me anymore.
(DIR) Post #9iUI0Ke5ID5BB8Gqki by saramangas@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-05T03:28:01Z
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@Debradelai @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls Should we add Samuel Ruíz in Chiapas, Don Saúl?
(DIR) Post #9iUIGdw7KzE3dpU1iq by saramangas@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-05T03:30:57Z
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@cressie @Debradelai @redwhitebluedude @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls Thats Evo...
(DIR) Post #9iUJRVsRk2o1mmVtFw by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-05T03:44:08Z
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@saramangas @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls If you mean this human refuse with Subcomandante Marcos, of course.And Elder Camara, Frei Beto, Ernesto Cardenal, each and every asswipe in the 2nd Conference of Bishops in 1968 in Medellín and the one in Puebla in '79, Fernando Lugo, Gustavo Gutiérrez Merino, Leonardo Boff and a long list of sons of bitches with a Bible in one hand and the Communist Manifesto in the other growing daily even today under the protective gaze of a host of Popes.
(DIR) Post #9iUKWeeucQYsQLCMd6 by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-05T03:56:16Z
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@Debradelai There's a special place in hell for these sons of bitches. Right next to the place where presidents who pardon terrorists go.@saramangas @EarlThePearls
(DIR) Post #9iUM5LR2BUaItLoQoS by saramangas@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-05T04:13:44Z
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@Debradelai @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls Right!... that picture brings so many memories to me. “Sammy” Ruíz and his “Teología de la Liberación” working hand to hand with Subcomandante Marcos... both experts in exploiting people’s misery and ignorance. What a lovely couple they were!
(DIR) Post #9iUNHJcypV3qiQfj84 by HockeyMom@social.quodverum.com
2019-05-05T04:27:07Z
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@Debradelai @GodlessNZ @EarlThePearls she was right about everything (but then most moms are...)