Post 9iIbpfaS71EbAls2iG by guillemot@ap.kios.cc
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(DIR) Post #9iHYmcRAs84ZVzQOFU by fribbledom@mastodon.social
2019-04-29T00:04:00Z
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Mozilla is shutting down their IRC servers and moving to Discord, a proprietary chat service.Hey Mozilla, aren't we forgetting something here? Our very own "Mozilla Pledge for a Healthy Internet” states:> Principle 2 The internet is a global public resource that must remain open and accessible.> Principle 6 The effectiveness of the internet as a public resource depends upon interoperability (protocols, data formats, content), innovation and decentralized participation worldwide.
(DIR) Post #9iHYrbl2pGZMr667cW by nightpool@cybre.space
2019-04-29T00:05:36Z
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@fribbledom accessibility > purity
(DIR) Post #9iHYu4rNazXxh3EqEi by popefucker@cybre.space
2019-04-29T00:06:03Z
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@nightpool @fribbledom discord is no more accessible than IRC
(DIR) Post #9iHYw3uq4qOlLOnqCm by nightpool@cybre.space
2019-04-29T00:06:24Z
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@popefucker @fribbledom have you tried to get a non-technical user to join an irc chatroom recently?
(DIR) Post #9iHYxw0ATLaPNWBjcG by popefucker@cybre.space
2019-04-29T00:06:46Z
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@nightpool @fribbledom people not wanting to do easy things isn't an accessibility issue
(DIR) Post #9iHZEgFeHijNS7PkrA by ursus_hirsutus@todon.nl
2019-04-29T00:07:54Z
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@fribbledom seriously? I'm on discord, full disclosure, but even a mook like me realizes that their sharp, ad-free interface is most likely funded by the most egregious sales of user data. mozilla is losing a significant amount of cred with this one. It's not as if there aren't plenty of great alternatives.
(DIR) Post #9iHZbxcvqhlE0CPDzE by popefucker@cybre.space
2019-04-29T00:07:15Z
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@nightpool @fribbledom logging on to IRC is as easy as clicking on a link and using a web client.
(DIR) Post #9iHZhqUjHP4lcSNKNM by ayy@soc.h4x.group
2019-04-29T00:15:07.369769Z
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@fribbledom A sad day
(DIR) Post #9iHZtioLfm5VGRDO8e by nightpool@cybre.space
2019-04-29T00:17:09Z
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@popefucker i'm not saying like capital-a Accessibility i'm just saying this is a choice that puts making mozilla more accessible to every day users over any misplaced notions of purity and I think it's a good decision for those reasons.
(DIR) Post #9iHZug4LLwwH389UlE by nightpool@cybre.space
2019-04-29T00:17:17Z
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@popefucker if you think irc web clients are "as easy" to use as discord, then you're just plain wrong. I ran a IRC support channel for a popular non-technical project for 3 years, and we had tons of affordances like iframe'd web-clients but the UX was just ABYSMAL and our retention rate was so poor that we also moved to discord a couple years back
(DIR) Post #9iHa7BmnFvzCtPuR8q by SwooshyCueb@chitter.xyz
2019-04-29T00:19:38Z
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@nightpool @fribbledom Doesn't Discord frequently make bad decisions when it comes to accessibility though?
(DIR) Post #9iHaGzrQRsxEnqkim0 by 11backslashes@pleroma.soykaf.com
2019-04-29T00:07:44.157861Z
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@fribbledom still the only alternative to Google monoculture tho...
(DIR) Post #9iHahi46ih45QjQES0 by nightpool@cybre.space
2019-04-29T00:26:14Z
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@SwooshyCueb @fribbledom I'm talking about "accessible to end users and non technical users" not capital-A Accessibility
(DIR) Post #9iHanulIQXmIXsa956 by SwooshyCueb@chitter.xyz
2019-04-29T00:27:19Z
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@nightpool @fribbledom considering how often people accidentally make brand new accounts by mistake, I'd say it fails there too
(DIR) Post #9iHb6VkReTBoT83FKa by nightpool@cybre.space
2019-04-29T00:30:43Z
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@SwooshyCueb much better that then the myriad UX issues that come with trying to find an IRC client or (in the best case) using one of three shitty iframe'd irc web clients
(DIR) Post #9iHbBchZE4F9U08vM8 by nightpool@cybre.space
2019-04-29T00:31:38Z
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@SwooshyCueb not to mention the inherent problems with the protocol itself—discord provides just a straight-up better way to structure communities at scale then IRC. Channel fragmentation is real
(DIR) Post #9iHbHqvPG0fTKhaQW8 by SwooshyCueb@chitter.xyz
2019-04-29T00:32:44Z
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@nightpool I'm not saying IRC is better, just that Discord doesn't seem like a great choice if the move is accessibility-motivated.Maybe Mattermost is a better choice?
(DIR) Post #9iHcWutUsk91wPRMtU by feld@bikeshed.party
2019-04-29T00:46:44.937597Z
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@nightpool @popefucker thelounge is the best web IRC client I've seen so far. Really great, but also ... bloated
(DIR) Post #9iHkkLNKXIfVT8JALw by moonman@shitposter.club
2019-04-29T02:18:49.841073Z
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@popefucker @nightpool @fribbledom crazy how all those actual users disagree
(DIR) Post #9iHkzoi3ko4Sn8NlJ2 by CarlCravens@mastodon.xyz
2019-04-29T02:21:34Z
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@nightpool @popefucker @fribbledom I'm an old school tech user and I find irc a pita compared to discord and slack.
(DIR) Post #9iHl9nGTyqoLCrEylE by wowaname@anime.website
2019-04-29T02:23:26.667547Z
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@11backslashes @fribbledom mozilla isnt an alternative to google though, they receive a lot of funding by google
(DIR) Post #9iHr9GYCD8b5TBepNI by 11backslashes@pleroma.soykaf.com
2019-04-29T03:28:39.026049Z
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wow way to conflate funding with culture. please do not @ me again.
(DIR) Post #9iHr9GlfP3NA8xxaN6 by wowaname@anime.website
2019-04-29T03:30:34.133736Z
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@11backslashes way to ignore how firefox uses google as default search engine, google for its anti-phishing protection, and now google in proxy -- discord uses google's recaptchalose your fucking attitude
(DIR) Post #9iHrEXOwzGV1BCqYrY by wowaname@anime.website
2019-04-29T03:31:32.008173Z
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@11backslashes i was just on mobile and didnt want to bother typing out all the other shit that i thought was obvious by this point. but i guess i continue to be impressed
(DIR) Post #9iHrUPtoeDreXsr6aO by sam@snack.social
2019-04-29T03:33:14.522737Z
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@wowaname @11backslashes i mean, firefox is obviously still the preferable choice though
(DIR) Post #9iHrUQ7doovJElK98S by wowaname@anime.website
2019-04-29T03:34:21.935051Z
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@sam @11backslashes ya at least i can get rid of most of the google ties in firefox, which of course is more difficult than with chromium
(DIR) Post #9iHrZiCc1Zn8lAAkQC by wowaname@anime.website
2019-04-29T03:35:21.598513Z
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@sam @11backslashes the talk is more about mozilla itself though
(DIR) Post #9iHryjTERlf9vqsQ9w by sam@snack.social
2019-04-29T03:35:29.039907Z
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@wowaname @11backslashes I switched from IE to Firefox around when that was the popular trend and have used it since (now on Linux). I’ve never actually used Chromium except briefly for testing. I must be a pretty small minority
(DIR) Post #9iHrzNcVAiqSSBWOA4 by sam@snack.social
2019-04-29T03:36:15.024277Z
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@wowaname @11backslashes I mean Mozilla doesn’t get money out of thin air. They need money from Google to continue. If they can use that money to try and stop Google’s hegemony over the web, I think that’s amusing ;)
(DIR) Post #9iHrznJFeuta80iNlY by sam@snack.social
2019-04-29T03:36:40.869781Z
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@11backslashes @wowaname (this doesn’t mean that Mozilla doesn’t perpetually make bad decisions. they do. people have been facepalming at Mozilla since at least, like, 2003 (!))
(DIR) Post #9iHs0Pj6pE9rHD6ZLU by 11backslashes@pleroma.soykaf.com
2019-04-29T03:38:41.717537Z
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@sam @wowaname exactly. they're slowing down google's hostile takeover. either we can support their work or move to other protocols. at this point the more strategic choice is firefox.
(DIR) Post #9iHs5DEEigWrxkx7b6 by sam@snack.social
2019-04-29T03:40:42.556504Z
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@11backslashes @wowaname anyway, two pointsadblocking is now essential to use the web. even if you don’t “mind” adverts, they’re not just adverts; they’re javascript programs. ad networks are the leading delivery vehicle for malicious javascript, plus tracking.chromium will never block adverts properly because google has a vested interest in ensuring this isn’t the case. there have been interesting cases of them ‘forgetting’ to make the APIs used by adblocking extensions work properly. for example, when they added QUIC support, they made HTTP requests sent over QUIC bypass the “filter outgoing HTTP requests” WebExtensions API which adblockers use. this is despite the fact that they’re still https:// requests, just over a different wire protocol, so this makes no sense. of course, who is it that supports QUIC on their server side? google.if you want an idea of just how extensively chromium has to be modified just to remove its links to google… https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium
(DIR) Post #9iHyfV2oYeWpMqIRG4 by chenjiajun@m.deeloves.me
2019-04-29T04:49:34Z
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@fribbledom Discord is so hard to use and inaccessible in China. IRC is great but I don't see any one using it in China except for the staffs in Red Hat.
(DIR) Post #9iHzD9hMQcQV0fJH4C by secstate@mastodon.technology
2019-04-29T03:27:21Z
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@fribbledom I wish instead of selling out to closed systems, Mozilla would double down on a "simpler than IRC" chat system that's still open by default. Discoverability of Discord and Slack instances is terrible.
(DIR) Post #9iHzI7vASoTkwg8eLg by izaya@social.shadowkat.net
2019-04-29T05:01:49.356728Z
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@secstate @fribbledom IRC but simpler is honestly something I really wantdumber protocol, simpler system, built-in auth, still plain-text
(DIR) Post #9iI1YjJLPsJ5RxUXku by lilo@mastodonten.de
2019-04-29T05:27:09Z
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@nightpool Not recently, but over the years I introduced a lot of non-technical people to IRC. After some "Can you all hear me???" it worked just fine usually.@popefucker @fribbledom
(DIR) Post #9iI4Svt62l70a48qXo by malin@linuxrocks.online
2019-04-29T05:59:46Z
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@popefucker @nightpool @fribbledom I run Arch i3 with self-made configs. I've had problems with IRC multiple times. IRC's challenging.
(DIR) Post #9iI4Yhai6v7dyiIDaa by fribbledom@mastodon.social
2019-04-29T06:00:48Z
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@malin I'd love to hear about your experience. Which barriers did you hit, and what exactly was challenging about it?@popefucker @nightpool
(DIR) Post #9iI8FnDnLuYnksoTse by NOCARRIER@hackers.town
2019-04-29T04:45:19Z
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@fribbledom I thought they were still considering Zulip
(DIR) Post #9iI8pL5rPPn8wW3GVM by a_breakin_glass@cybre.space
2019-04-29T06:48:33Z
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@nightpool @popefucker discord's UX is also abysmal
(DIR) Post #9iI8yxuUSWQJw8K7AO by lynnesbian@fedi.lynnesbian.space
2019-04-29T06:50:06Z
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@fribbledom moving the discussion rooms of my open source professional project to the closed source chat for gamers
(DIR) Post #9iI9HgiabPkY7QgVIu by uniq@chaos.social
2019-04-29T06:53:35Z
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@nightpool @fribbledom That's a not an excuse for using #discord. There are a lot of open source chats with equal or better accessibility:* #RocketChat* #MatterMost* #Martix* ...Also free and open source software is about basic rights and not "purity" as you put it.Also proprietary software is an accessibility barrier for privacy conscious users.
(DIR) Post #9iI9UEkxsHvLA5mO1I by uniq@chaos.social
2019-04-29T06:55:59Z
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@nightpool @fribbledom @nightpool @fribbledom That's a not an excuse for using #discord. There are a lot of open source chats with equal or better accessibility:* #RocketChat* #MatterMost* #Martix* ...Also free and open source software is about basic rights and not "purity" as you put it.Also proprietary software is an accessibility barrier for privacy and security conscious users.
(DIR) Post #9iIAonLn44PICON3ya by malin@linuxrocks.online
2019-04-29T07:10:56Z
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@nightpool @popefucker @fribbledom I can't recall the lot, but I do recall the Void Linux nameserver being a problem. And while I jumped onto a couple of forums, the language used to denote # this and instance that, had me initially going to freenode as a chat room, or its host as a chatroom - the two-layer language was a little off. Finally, saving those settings (while not technically a feature of IRC) gave another headache. Still never managed to get onto that Void channel.
(DIR) Post #9iIRdVSSwiSOk4hEm0 by katnjia@monsterpit.net
2019-04-29T10:19:21Z
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@nightpool @popefucker @fribbledom M'yes.I send them to a web-frontend with the channel name, and voila, they’re using IRC.Mozilla is the only entity we have for the web that stands up (or did) for open standards and open-source. Their decisions as of late sets a very bad prescience.
(DIR) Post #9iIZA4FXpJ2Ram7sCu by lain@testing.pleroma.lol
2019-04-29T11:43:44.165828Z
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@fribbledom maybe they come back if IRC adds a code of conduct
(DIR) Post #9iIZaTr3FaiWX9GRRQ by stephenjahl@mastodon.social
2019-04-29T00:22:19Z
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@fribbledom Has mozilla confirmed anywhere that Discord is their final choice? Their blog post said they were going to be evaluating options, and hadn't chosen anything yet.The Rust projects were already using Discord, and they mentioned that they were leaning in that direction for their remaining IRC channels. However, the Rust community doesn't represent Mozilla as a whole.
(DIR) Post #9iIaPah1aMf2VjwgHQ by igeljaeger@the.hedgehoghunter.club
2019-04-29T11:57:43.415994Z
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@fribbledomGAMERS WINS ONCE AGAIN
(DIR) Post #9iIaSdQvqx5ZsYrzw8 by 1iceloops123@shitposter.club
2019-04-29T11:58:18.929615Z
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@fribbledom they are like any other company they don't care
(DIR) Post #9iIamA94SHMApqpKj2 by 1iceloops123@shitposter.club
2019-04-29T12:01:50.657825Z
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@moonman @popefucker @fribbledom @nightpool I am a non tech user and can find my way of irc all the time.
(DIR) Post #9iIbpfaS71EbAls2iG by guillemot@ap.kios.cc
2019-04-29T06:58:07.646198Z
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@fribbledom Mozilla was built by techies so everyone else could use it. Now, they seem to need non-techies to contribute (to Common Voice, for example), which means much more people can contribute.If the Matrix ecosystem was more mature (which they're already using, btw – it looks like your post lacks some info), they could develop a better cross-platform client than Riot.If they shut down the IRC servers which are dedicated to community support, external contributors, and so on, in favor of Discord, I don't think they did anything wrong. They could use Rocket.Chat instead but people just don't want to create another account (especially because they don't want to get a massive spam of emails – looking at you, Loomio). They tried a ubiquitous login solution called Mozilla Persona, but neither Facebook nor Google were using it (for obvious reasons).I think they decided to move to Discord with various statistics your post doesn't mention.
(DIR) Post #9iIbpftEzAGO72f2zw by bob@soc.freedombone.net
2019-04-29T07:18:41.208619Z
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@guillemot @fribbledom I've never used Discord, but the description of it sounds pretty bad. Proprietary, backed by sillycon valley venture capital, known for abuse ("raiding") and the preferred comms system of the alt-right. Makes irc look like an idyllic pasture.Why Mozilla would downgrade that far is a mystery, but does it really matter what they use for project development? Well, if they want to keep Free Software developers out then maybe it does.
(DIR) Post #9iIbpg749lK2nv85Y0 by maiyannah@community.highlandarrow.com
2019-04-29T12:08:50+00:00
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@bob @fribbledom@mastodon.social I pretty much mentally turn off whenever people mention "alt-right" in a negative sense now. That label is about as ubiqutous and accurate as calling everyone "nazis". People are people. Quit dehumanizing them. Bob, you're better than to do that.
(DIR) Post #9iId1N86f3yTMFkw0O by guillemot@ap.kios.cc
2019-04-29T07:27:18.703090Z
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@bob @fribbledom I’d rather use IRC or XMPP than Discord for the simple reason that it doesn’t take me between 5 minutes and half an hour to log in, to the point of developing a PTSD about this crap (and about my webmail, too).On the other hand, Mastodon uses Discord too. I’m not sure the decision, from Mozilla, to move to Discord is an half-baked decision. Again, if free software developers used Mozilla’s Persona on their self-hosted solutions, it might have been different (with a ubiquitous login solution for all FLOSS projects).Except that unlike Mozilla, most free software developers started to care about UX about 5 years ago. Discord’s front page says, verbatim: “Say goodbye to Skype and Mumble.”
(DIR) Post #9iId1NRFVtHqJciDqK by Leradvor@pleroma.site
2019-04-29T12:26:58.672493Z
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@guillemot @bob @fribbledom I hope the majority of all people says rather “Goodbye” to Skype than to Mumble.
(DIR) Post #9iIdu6JmrsNZ92JfmK by nightpool@cybre.space
2019-04-29T12:36:47Z
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@katnjia @popefucker @fribbledom https://cybre.space/@nightpool/102006589864580413
(DIR) Post #9iIe47BQVRg8iwBGSm by devnull@mamot.fr
2019-04-29T07:18:20Z
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@nightpool Yeah, sure,.not wanting Mozilla to force people into proprietery, for profit silos, with shitty ToS, is "misplaced notion of purity". And forcing users into non-interoperable bloated crap is "a good decision" and "more accessible". So fuck those who don't want to/can't use bloatware, don't agree with discord ToS and EULA, and/or want a Free Software Dev community to depend on proprietary business?You're not biased at all… 😑 @popefucker @fribbledom
(DIR) Post #9iIe47KdxB3FBWUcpU by nightpool@cybre.space
2019-04-29T12:38:35Z
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@devnull "having a different opinion then you" is not being biased, don't imply bad faith where none exists.
(DIR) Post #9iIkvScW8NXGHYflOy by devnull@mamot.fr
2019-04-29T13:55:30Z
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@nightpool It's not about "having a different opinion than me", it's about pretending that those who don't agree with mozilla's choice are "putting misplaced notions of purity over accessibility"0. It's has nothing to do "misplaced notions of purity over accessibility", there's many good reasons to refuse monopolies et vendor lock-ins…1. Bloatwares aren't "more accessible"Prentendig it's "misplaced notions of purity" is biased bullshit…
(DIR) Post #9iIkyMt3uFirMznWBE by devnull@mamot.fr
2019-04-29T13:56:00Z
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@nightpool It's not about "having a different opinion than me", it's about pretending that those who don't agree with mozilla's choice are "putting misplaced notions of purity over accessibility"1. It's has nothing to do "misplaced notions of purity over accessibility", there's many good reasons to refuse monopolies et vendor lock-ins…2. Bloatwares aren't "more accessible"Prentendig it's "misplaced notions of purity" is biased bullshit…
(DIR) Post #9iImdnGqoieL1aF3T6 by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2019-04-29T14:14:46Z
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@fribbledom They haven't cared about any of that for a long, long time.#ThisIsNow
(DIR) Post #9iIpoDyWgXXYbaKtH6 by bob@soc.freedombone.net
2019-04-29T13:58:37.839410Z
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@maiyannah @fribbledom Those people push exactly a dehumanizing narrative. Also the Cameron-style "we're all in it together" was always disingenuous.
(DIR) Post #9iIpoEozXTVXEIsn3I by maiyannah@community.highlandarrow.com
2019-04-29T14:46:00+00:00
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@bob @fribbledom@mastodon.social Well, the important thing is you feel like you're better than them, I suppose.
(DIR) Post #9iJ4PG0nTU7ozix172 by amiloradovsky@functional.cafe
2019-04-29T17:31:24Z
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@fribbledom Why not set up own #Discourse server instead, or #Mattermost, or something like that?
(DIR) Post #9iJ4PGTVkj5sQmNwrw by ivan@vucica.net
2019-04-29T17:33:45.467915Z
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@amiloradovsky @fribbledom Or XMPP
(DIR) Post #9iJ4ToLnkIUCeWwm0G by dthompson@toot.cat
2019-04-29T17:34:04Z
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@fribbledom mozilla is fucking up all the time these days. I have little faith in them to be a meaningful force for good anymore.
(DIR) Post #9iJKnPJE9pxY2v6p4S by andrewt@mastodon.social
2019-04-29T20:37:15Z
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@nightpool @popefucker i'm all in favour of an open web but for chirst's sake irc needs to die so we can replace it with something modern
(DIR) Post #9iKEQFkt6iwPBiaCx6 by succfemboi@iscute.moe
2019-04-30T07:00:47.229508Z
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@uniq there's also Zulip@nightpool @fribbledom
(DIR) Post #9iKG9W3FSuwQiOJlp2 by rtwx@fosstodon.org
2019-04-30T07:20:08Z
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@malin @nightpool @popefucker @fribbledom the Void channel needs your username to be verified on freenode. Followed a web guide, and luckily it worked.
(DIR) Post #9iKHgPRn8l9Jk82wLI by malin@linuxrocks.online
2019-04-30T07:37:18Z
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@rtwx my guide wasn't. Link?
(DIR) Post #9iKMCa19m6O7bsBS1g by rtwx@fosstodon.org
2019-04-30T08:27:56Z
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@malin oh sheesh was a while ago, I’ll see if I can find it.
(DIR) Post #9iKO1VOcoi24020Y5Y by thurloat@mastodon.club
2019-04-29T00:14:02Z
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@fribbledom wow this is truly disgusting. I audibly gasped when I read this.
(DIR) Post #9iKO1VfHolMMphnr3g by michelamarie@mastodon.social
2019-04-29T05:07:08Z
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@thurloat @fribbledom wtf. I'm going to write them, and encourage everyone to join me. #mozilla #open #freedom #foss #opensource
(DIR) Post #9iKd6MPP9r4Gsz95o8 by fribbledom@mastodon.social
2019-04-29T00:27:09Z
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@stephenjahlI guess an official statement is still pending on that subject, but it's what I hear from people on the "inside".So there's at least a clear tendency, and I think this needs to be brought up right now, not when the final decision has been announced publicly.
(DIR) Post #9iMurRbnjHh8A0tuu8 by allo@chaos.social
2019-05-01T14:05:39Z
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@nightpool Accessibility is much better in IRC and other text based protocols than webapps.You do not need to be a blind user to appreciate a protocol that can be used with accessible programs instead of a browser. It starts when IRC clients are much easier to theme with high-contrast colors and easy to read fonts.The lack of image embedding prevents things like somebody posting a lord of the rings meme without alt-text to communicate something, so blind readers are left behind.@fribbledom
(DIR) Post #9iNAbWVtKC6s0OZD3g by amiloradovsky@functional.cafe
2019-04-29T17:35:56Z
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@ivan @fribbledom Sure. I've just assumed it's too obvious, and doesn't have something crucial (threads, persistence, search, who knows).
(DIR) Post #9iOPWq5NyQ4XpSLzfc by mcread@noagendasocial.com
2019-04-30T09:13:14Z
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@fribbledom should move to riot if they really feel the need to change .
(DIR) Post #9iOPYYVGJfkpsPH9ii by amsomniac@mastodon.sdf.org
2019-04-29T00:10:13Z
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@fribbledom chatzilla is dead, too
(DIR) Post #9iOPZVDE2NNpxYI5IW by isagalaev@mastodon.social
2019-04-29T00:12:22Z
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@fribbledom as far as I understand their reasoning, there's just no viable open alternative. Although I don't know why running a Jabber server is not an option. It should at least solve the problem with the lack of authentication in IRC.
(DIR) Post #9iOPhrp3rBR2OtycBk by hund@linuxrocks.online
2019-04-29T07:54:06Z
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@fribbledom What is your source on this one? The person on Mozilla who's deciding what they're going to use hasn't decided what to use yet. :)