Post 9i6fFgPyut4nfHfbdI by kaniini@pleroma.site
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(DIR) Post #9i6W2waQalgsSUPI6i by lynnesbian@fedi.lynnesbian.space
2019-04-23T15:24:37Z
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we don't need text formatting because we have unicode babey unicode font hackery is✅ compatible with pretty much everything except on some devices where it just displays as white squares but thats good enough✅ completely unintuitive so you can prove that you're cooler than other people by knowing how to make the 𝔀𝓪𝓬𝓴𝔂 𝓬𝓾𝓻𝓵𝔂 𝓵𝓮𝓽𝓽𝓮𝓻𝓼✅ not actually formatting at all✅ check it out you can do 𝐛𝐨𝐥𝐝 and 𝑖𝑡𝑎𝑙𝑖𝑐 and even 𝒃𝒐𝒕𝒉 all using different character sets meaning that some devices support some and not others✅ hey people with screen readers? get fucked
(DIR) Post #9i6W89R2FV69ktUqoK by ben@mastodon.lubar.me
2019-04-23T16:10:58Z
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@lynnesbianChrome OS 75.0.3761.0 screenshot for future reference
(DIR) Post #9i6fFfnLEYATjRakPA by Gargron@mastodon.social
2019-04-23T17:52:18Z
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@lynnesbian Yes, using HTML bold tags or Unicode bold character variants are the only two options. Humans cannot communicate without using bold text and it is absolutely instrumental in every message. It is impossible to simply avoid Unicode character variants if you think they are bad for screen readers.
(DIR) Post #9i6fFfxyb0fuGQZEyu by lynnesbian@fedi.lynnesbian.space
2019-04-23T17:54:09Z
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@Gargron what I'm saying is that if bold tags were built in people would stop relying on these workaroundsi never use the unicode hack stuff myself but i still encounter it frequently enough for it to be an issue, especially on my phone which doesn't support that block of unicode and just renders blank boxes
(DIR) Post #9i6fFgPyut4nfHfbdI by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-04-23T17:55:10.866554Z
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@lynnesbian @Gargron this is precisely *why* we implemented this in Pleroma.
(DIR) Post #9i6fKkfQXu0MI7JNIm by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-04-23T17:56:18.788316Z
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@Gargron @lynnesbian you're smarter than this, man. you know people use formatting to convey emotional context to messages, and other forms of context as well.
(DIR) Post #9i6gRRedjUzxJ0hNs8 by flussence@nulled.red
2019-04-23T15:25:55Z
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@lynnesbian ʰⁱᵍʰ ᵖⁱᵗᶜʰᵉᵈ ˢʰⁱᵗᵖᵒˢᵗⁱⁿᵍ
(DIR) Post #9i6gSRpmYAka9WO9qa by ari@yiff.life
2019-04-23T15:34:15Z
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@lynnesbian Was this intentional or just the best possible coincidence that my browser font doesn't have these?
(DIR) Post #9i6gZkTRe92zzQQDQG by Gargron@mastodon.social
2019-04-23T17:59:46Z
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@lynnesbian Yeah but it's also valid to unfollow people who do that. Nobody does it on my home feed, and I never saw it on the federated timeline either.People who frame this issue as an issue of accessibility are being disingenious because having bold or italic text is not an actual necessity. People just use them for jokes, and far more often they use zalgo and full-width text (vapourwave), or even gothic text.
(DIR) Post #9i6giZddIpDMzQOZkG by will@catgirl.science
2019-04-23T17:59:49.310665Z
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@Gargron @lynnesbian if you don't allow proper bold text, and don't strip misused* Unicode math characters, people will do the latter. if you don't want people bolding text on your instance, please at least consider blocking the bad alternative*nobody uses them for math, pretty much, especially on fediverse where there's an instance with proper LaTeX
(DIR) Post #9i6giaU69lBLc8wTWS by USBloveDog@cybre.space
2019-04-23T18:11:50Z
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@will @lynnesbian @gargron Since there’s a #mathemagics instance with #LaTeX support, is there a musician’s instance with #LilyPond support out there somewhere?
(DIR) Post #9i6h5pDxWLUNzNTQvY by lynnesbian@fedi.lynnesbian.space
2019-04-23T17:35:27Z
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me, not providing an alternative to a horrible workaround: why is everyone using this horrible workaround
(DIR) Post #9i6hMYHhkreWNICZEm by SenorOblong@monsterpit.net
2019-04-23T18:17:10Z
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@kaniini @lynnesbian @Gargron He’s actually right about this one thing, though … I actually don’t think I’ve ever seen people using Unicode fake-bold or fake-italics to indicate emphasis on this site. You know what I DO see people using? ALL-CAPS, or text formatting like *asterisks* that evolved as substitutes on previous platforms that didn’t support rich text or character sets beyond ASCII.And I’m the same way - I dramatically overuse italics for emphasis. But I didn’t *stop* doing that when I came to this site … I just kept using asterisks! (I’m actually having to escape all my asterisks because Monsterpit uses a fork that DOES have Markdown support, but I assure you, I wasn’t using them any *less* before then)When people do use wacky Unicode text, it’s mostly just for *playfulness* reasons, like “hey look what I found hiding in the character set”. The majority of stuff people do with Unicode pseudo-text is way too broad to support with HTML anyway.
(DIR) Post #9i6hMYtHV9i6FpmZo9 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-04-23T18:18:43.996531Z
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@SenorOblong @lynnesbian @Gargron yes, i'm aware of all of this, but that doesn't actually change anything, or make him right
(DIR) Post #9i6hVUUzCRSBEufzqy by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-04-23T18:20:28.475831Z
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@SenorOblong @Gargron @lynnesbian hint: outside Mastodon, we all have text formatting, *and* we *do* use it for these purposes. Mastodon users don't see this because all they *can* see is unicrud.
(DIR) Post #9i6hnc9vSQT6D5T34q by SenorOblong@monsterpit.net
2019-04-23T18:22:56Z
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@kaniini @lynnesbian @Gargron So what?Yes, text formatting is convenient. (Lord knows I like it, I’m an absolute italics slut) But it’s not a requirement for communication, and nor is it an accessibility issue to lack it. Not every platform needs to support rich text!
(DIR) Post #9i6hnca9stS5WRjzxw by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-04-23T18:23:55.982059Z
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@SenorOblong @lynnesbian @Gargron enjoy your stockholm syndrome, buddy. meanwhile outside the mastodon world, we'll continue using rich text.
(DIR) Post #9i6il4qaRIkYGnmAJk by SenorOblong@monsterpit.net
2019-04-23T18:31:16Z
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@kaniini @lynnesbian @Gargron “Stockholm sydrome” seems a bit rich, given that I *am* on an instance that has rich text, use it so frequently as to be instinctive (I had to manually go back and escape all my asterisks because I’m not 100% sure the formatting will translate from Monsterpit -> Pleroma), and do most of my talking on Discord (which also supports rich text).But IRC, 4chan, Twitter, and I think Facebook(?) don’t support it, and I don’t really think they’re all that much lesser for it.
(DIR) Post #9i6il5B9CrCFIZOaMi by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-04-23T18:34:23.416296Z
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@SenorOblong @lynnesbian @Gargron i’ve yet to see any rich text from you, sorry.
(DIR) Post #9i6ize64B8g9eIxmJU by vertigo@mastodon.social
2019-04-23T18:36:04Z
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@Gargron On the topic of known character variants, you can always search and replace them with their more conventional code points upon posting (saving a few bytes in the database in the process) or upon rendering, perhaps even per user configuration settings.I won't suggest it's a completely solved problem, but similar methods were used to show Unicode apps in pure text displays before. Suggesting it's "impossible" is disingenuous.@kaniini@lynnesbian
(DIR) Post #9i6izeTSm9OUoruSmW by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-04-23T18:37:03.934733Z
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@vertigo @Gargron @lynnesbian i never suggested it's "impossible"
(DIR) Post #9i6j0l5Pg49fcGBjNI by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-04-23T18:37:32.169349Z
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@SenorOblong @Gargron @lynnesbian also IRC does support rich text.4chan, Twitter and Facebook are some of the most absolutely vile places on the Internet. rich text formatting may help to alleviate conflict on those platforms by allowing people to better emphasize sarcasm and jokes.
(DIR) Post #9i6jFy5hbnhUIEZmFM by lain@testing.pleroma.lol
2019-04-23T18:40:18.162684Z
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@kaniini @Gargron @SenorOblong @lynnesbian please, don't mention all these platforms in one sentence, 4chan doesn't deserve that.
(DIR) Post #9i6jLVMDLviGulwJ6W by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-04-23T18:41:02.296737Z
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@lain @lynnesbian @Gargron @SenorOblong 4chan is vile for other reasons, admittedly.
(DIR) Post #9i6jP1SoREWTMMheee by SenorOblong@monsterpit.net
2019-04-23T18:41:15Z
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@kaniini @lynnesbian @Gargron Last I used IRC, it only supported fake-formatting, where you’d type like /this/ or like this and those would be transmitted - asterisks or slashes and all - to another client, which would then recognize them and render it in italics without actually removing the original asterisks/slashes. The protocol itself didn’t include them … and so support on that level could be added by any Mastodon client without the instance itself having to support it. I just straight up forgot about Colored text though, somehow, despite all my years of Homestuck roleplaying, so you’ve got me there.
(DIR) Post #9i6jP21uKkaz7D7gMC by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-04-23T18:41:54.084121Z
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@SenorOblong @lynnesbian @Gargron IRC has control codes for bold, italic and underline. not just color.
(DIR) Post #9i6jYY6aRmuFCZqkYy by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-04-23T18:43:27.935547Z
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@SenorOblong @Gargron @lynnesbian https://github.com/myano/jenni/wiki/IRC-String-Formatting
(DIR) Post #9i6n0J0STfhkLPuUUK by vertigo@mastodon.social
2019-04-23T18:40:09Z
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@kaniiniGargron did. That's why his name is first in the @-list.@lynnesbian @Gargron
(DIR) Post #9i6n0KCY2CyA3CZeyG by charlag@birb.site
2019-04-23T19:20:31Z
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@vertigo @kaniini @lynnesbian @Gargron writing words with math symbols is such a bullshit for screen readers that each time I had to listen to it I wanted to punch the poster.Same goes for many other hacks.Unicode hackery shouldn't replace markup.
(DIR) Post #9i6nQeWV6KdSbgSdeK by lynnesbian@fedi.lynnesbian.space
2019-04-23T18:13:09Z
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do not, my friends, become addicted to rich text. it will take hold of you and you will resent its absence.
(DIR) Post #9i6nQetBjymdk34l0q by trickster@mastodon.technology
2019-04-23T18:25:16Z
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@lynnesbian I·THINK·THE·ROMANS·HAD·EVERYTHING·FIGVRED·OUT❧NONE·OF·THIS·FORMATTING·BOLLOCKS·TO·WORRY·ABOVT❧WHAT·ABOVT·THE·ITALICS·INVENTED·IN·1500❧VTTER·PIGS·BREAKFAST❧OVTSIDE·OF·SOME·NEWLINES·I·BARELY·SEE·FORMATTING·ON·THE·TIMELINE·ANYWAY❧YOVLL·ONLY·VSE·IT·FOR·JOKES·AND·OTHERWISE·EXPRESSING·YOUR·HVMAN·INDIVIDVALITY·WITH·VARIED·TEXTVAL·DEVICES❧THE·QVESTION·OF·PVNCTVATION❧DONT·GET·ME·STARTED❧
(DIR) Post #9i72IFlikinupO26kq by dredmorbius@mastodon.cloud
2019-04-23T22:13:36Z
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@trickster VVAT IS THIS DOUBLE 'V' YOV KEEP VSING? @lynnesbian
(DIR) Post #9i72XBSx240FpKNC3k by trickster@mastodon.technology
2019-04-23T22:16:17Z
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@dredmorbius aw, fiddlesticks, I knew I messed up something 😅 I mean, except for the Arabic numerals in there, but that would have been confusing, and, you know, the whole English thing
(DIR) Post #9i73UNt4UfXxR6osIS by dredmorbius@mastodon.cloud
2019-04-23T22:27:00Z
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@trickster I am saddened that 'o' is not a Roman numeral. We have no numeric 'lol'.But MDCCCLXXXVIII is the longest year, in Roman numerals, so far, on the Gregorian/Julian calendar.It won't be beat until MMMDCCCLXXXVIII.
(DIR) Post #9i7NyacNiuqogth3RI by Leradvor@pleroma.site
2019-04-23T18:53:40.280729Z
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@trickster @lynnesbian And a multiplication must have looked extremely weird.V x XXX =
(DIR) Post #9i7NyaquqsTdPyUf5s by ffs@shitasstits.life
2019-04-24T02:16:34.975232Z
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@Leradvor @trickster I—XXXII—XXXIII—XXXIIII—XXXV__XXX+__LLL_CLV×XXX=CLOld school commutative
(DIR) Post #9j64pdRRoFgVOQ8yC8 by carbontwelve@d20hero.club
2019-05-23T08:59:24.692500Z
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@lynnesbian In the 1500s italics was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.