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(DIR) Post #9i4HhSFoNwZKd0he4W by karolat@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T14:22:06.776954Z
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woo landed an interview to make someone's website. i've never made a website before but i'm sure it'll be easy. javascript, amirite? :blobderp:
(DIR) Post #9i4Hvbho2d3lznXsxs by NekoiNemo@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T14:24:40.850131Z
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@karolat rip
(DIR) Post #9i4I9djJJPCaKOwN60 by karolat@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T14:27:12.721493Z
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@NekoiNemo nah it'll be daijoubu. he was like "i don't know what i really want... maybe to host it here? i just need a website and i've got server 2010. i can give you 30 hours a week"i think i can figure out how to make a website in 30 hours :blobthinkingdown:
(DIR) Post #9i4IDgLvVCdXcYvjzk by karolat@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T14:27:56.373891Z
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@NekoiNemo so hey @fence sama...
(DIR) Post #9i4IRcMr7CknJe0gOe by NekoiNemo@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T14:30:27.641162Z
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@karolat So... To get a SquareSpace/Wiz/whatever package with site constructor and hosting and give it to him? XD
(DIR) Post #9i4IalVIW5PMG1Jvm4 by fence@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T14:32:06.656848Z
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@karolat @NekoiNemo uhhhh you understand html?
(DIR) Post #9i4IhmurfDKQfHczWC by fence@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T14:33:22.615941Z
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@karolat @NekoiNemo just use basic html files and bootstrap tbh tbh https://getbootstrap.com/
(DIR) Post #9i4IkzGgCEQVqHMD0i by karolat@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T14:33:57.971811Z
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@fence @NekoiNemo yeah that's literally was i gonna say: you put the bootstrap in the header and the pictures in the body right? :blobderp:
(DIR) Post #9i4Iq5gpkP6pCu1YeG by fence@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T14:34:53.185368Z
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@karolat @NekoiNemo yes you put the css links in the head and the pages content in the body
(DIR) Post #9i4IvndtlB6MyJNDDk by fence@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T14:35:55.150944Z
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@karolat @NekoiNemo for layouts and stuff check the examples out https://getbootstrap.com/docs/4.1/examples/
(DIR) Post #9i4IzIPBqDH3FXA1vE by fence@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T14:36:33.016117Z
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@NekoiNemo @karolat also maybe watch a hour long youtube video
(DIR) Post #9i4J0G2a7OqACn2p0q by fence@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T14:36:43.986032Z
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@NekoiNemo @karolat about html and stuff
(DIR) Post #9i4J4Frqhhc2pJvkiO by karolat@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T14:37:26.522608Z
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@fence @NekoiNemo oh he wants search engine optimization you just pay google for that right :blobthinkingdown:
(DIR) Post #9i4JLNQFrsYtBHBi9A by fence@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T14:40:32.426539Z
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@karolat @NekoiNemo uhhh there is some google website score, basically have a good score there and and have a site map xml thing and uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I don't know too much about it
(DIR) Post #9i4JMhrNMqykr8VWnw by fence@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T14:40:47.397264Z
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@karolat @NekoiNemo again maybe read some blog posts or watch some videos
(DIR) Post #9i4JSQfGDFDrGMZMhs by karolat@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T14:41:49.074342Z
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@fence @NekoiNemo i'm pretty sure he just wants a static thing to display his products and stuff. it'll be daijoubu i'm sure! 👍
(DIR) Post #9i4JUGp7luqjJy3quO by FloatingGhost@ihatebeinga.live
2019-04-22T14:42:07.287355Z
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@fence @NekoiNemo @karolat "SEO" is corporate-speak for "have lots of meta tags to let google match you to search terms" (see: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/meta)
(DIR) Post #9i4Ja79WdoGL44OFxw by karolat@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T14:43:11.907072Z
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@FloatingGhost @NekoiNemo @fence it's non-tech savy speak for i want my site to show up on google... i'm sure i can make that happen!
(DIR) Post #9i4Jr8lxs4sB0nULqq by enigmatico@misskey.io
2019-04-22T14:45:52.049Z
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@karolat@miniwa.moe @FloatingGhost@ihatebeinga.live @NekoiNemo@miniwa.moe @fence@miniwa.moe Actually, it's more than just a few metatags in the header of your HTML. There is a lot of factors that affect your pagerank including the last time you updated your site, the orthography of your texts, the redaction of your texts, how many keywords you have in your texts, how you use your images in your site, the structure of your site, if it is readable by the spyder or not (semantics), and a long etc.
(DIR) Post #9i4JriTn77j5krGLWS by fence@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T14:46:23.543456Z
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@FloatingGhost @karolat @NekoiNemo I have been told that those scores matter by SEO "experts" https://developers.google.com/web/tools/lighthouse/https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/
(DIR) Post #9i4K3ZwweYlqm7YVVY by fence@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T14:48:31.324988Z
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@FloatingGhost @NekoiNemo @karolat running these only makes sense once the site is online
(DIR) Post #9i4K7I19GanMJlI6zY by karolat@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T14:49:11.837155Z
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@fence @FloatingGhost @NekoiNemo so where does the javascript come in :blobthinkingdown:
(DIR) Post #9i4K9lKbFYGRoOZJ3I by FloatingGhost@ihatebeinga.live
2019-04-22T14:49:37.415726Z
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@karolat @NekoiNemo @fence @enigmatico in the *VAST* majority of cases those aren't particularly relevant, don't go scaring people that have never even made a website before with the nitty-gritty that might matter if you're competing against lots of very similar sitesFor a beginner, meta tags are the place to start.
(DIR) Post #9i4KMJREGbqD4FeaOm by fence@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T14:51:55.442018Z
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@karolat @NekoiNemo bootstrap components like this one use javascript to make stuff happen when a button is clicked https://getbootstrap.com/docs/4.1/components/carousel/#with-controls
(DIR) Post #9i4KOP9fyz2nNSRP5U by karolat@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T14:52:18.140104Z
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@fence @NekoiNemo wooooo :blobaww:
(DIR) Post #9i4Kr3XrPHeoklPnM0 by enigmatico@misskey.io
2019-04-22T14:52:56.666Z
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@FloatingGhost@ihatebeinga.live @karolat@miniwa.moe @NekoiNemo@miniwa.moe @fence@miniwa.moe Your clients will always ask you to go the highest possible and you know it is impossible to position high enough with metatags alone.You either compete with the big ones or you are out of the competition. That's how it works.
(DIR) Post #9i4Kr4GAkX6QyC9BQG by FloatingGhost@ihatebeinga.live
2019-04-22T14:55:26.257365Z
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@karolat @NekoiNemo @fence @enigmatico For someone that has, and I quote "never made a website before", you are providing nothing more than a show of "look at how good I am xddd" Perhaps provide them with an entry point into that sort of stuff rather than acting as a roadblock of "you need to do this and this and this or you may as well not bother"
(DIR) Post #9i4Kr4it1m4UPFa7BA by karolat@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T14:57:26.901926Z
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@FloatingGhost @NekoiNemo @enigmatico @fence i'm not really paying too much attention to your back and forth tbh. i think robots is addressing you more than me :blobtilt:
(DIR) Post #9i4L9ZLptKA0bucOzg by karolat@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T15:00:48.795114Z
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@fence @NekoiNemo hmmm i should probably get vscode...it'd probably be easier to just install ubuntu than to figure out how to make an ebuild hmm
(DIR) Post #9i4LEkGGkrRLtbTzNo by fence@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T15:01:45.196497Z
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@karolat @NekoiNemo maybe an VM?
(DIR) Post #9i4LMFH3qfMu6iQgfw by fence@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T15:03:06.488328Z
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@karolat @NekoiNemo its also on snap
(DIR) Post #9i4LQDNyoN4VPPYgc4 by karolat@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T15:03:49.586328Z
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@fence @NekoiNemo oh i can get snap on gentoo! :blobowo:
(DIR) Post #9i4LTmlLjm4zztByDo by fence@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T15:04:28.265103Z
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@karolat @NekoiNemo https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/setup/linux
(DIR) Post #9i4LaSGqKBfWTA6S9I by karolat@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T15:05:40.685938Z
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@fence honestly i don't really need it right? i can just use sublime text if i'm just doing static stuff--i prefer it anyway
(DIR) Post #9i4Ld1ycXcA5myo9xY by fence@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T15:06:08.498916Z
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@karolat well yeah
(DIR) Post #9i4LfW0jqVMNW8z1do by fence@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T15:06:35.440953Z
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@karolat even vim is enough
(DIR) Post #9i4LhAiXz90e3YGS5Q by karolat@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T15:06:53.917759Z
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@fence vim?!!? :blobweary:
(DIR) Post #9i4LmjOySPLV4klBya by enigmatico@misskey.io
2019-04-22T15:06:52.990Z
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@karolat@miniwa.moe @fence@miniwa.moe If you are on Linux I'd suggest using Kate rather than proprietary stuff.
(DIR) Post #9i4LmjhlKYNI11YCGG by karolat@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T15:07:53.096432Z
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@enigmatico @fence i thought vscode was free~
(DIR) Post #9i4LxrBLs2R2OJh3XU by fence@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T15:09:53.934298Z
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@karolat @enigmatico it sorta is but most builds by M$ have proprietary stuff in it.
(DIR) Post #9i4MdRx04SLsIdoViy by karolat@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T15:17:25.308387Z
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@enigmatico @fence well i'll try and install it once libreoffice is done... hopefully there's nothing after it... :notlikemiya:
(DIR) Post #9i4Mi3frl0aASJzriy by enigmatico@misskey.io
2019-04-22T15:17:53.976Z
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@karolat@miniwa.moe @fence@miniwa.moe If you are using KDE then not really that much...
(DIR) Post #9i4Mi3qV7T5azIyMIi by karolat@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T15:18:15.223311Z
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@enigmatico @fence oh....
(DIR) Post #9i4MkCnwmX4ZLtnhHk by karolat@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T15:18:38.727883Z
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@enigmatico @fence wait you mean it sucks on KDE?
(DIR) Post #9i4MpZPg9QWUv40WBs by fence@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T15:19:36.509579Z
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@karolat @enigmaticoimage.png
(DIR) Post #9i4NX4Y6GSllwBgpFo by NekoiNemo@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T15:27:28.463178Z
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@karolat @fence VSCode...
(DIR) Post #9i4NZMpjFrFFDz1uRk by karolat@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T15:27:53.420891Z
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@NekoiNemo @fence hmm? :blobthinkingdown:
(DIR) Post #9i4NpXQDednwhJoCR6 by NekoiNemo@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T15:30:48.797325Z
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@karolat @fence I dislike modern M$, i really dislike JS, and i absolutely despise Electron. And VSCode is a bloated glorified notepad, written in JS by modern M$ and running on Electron =_=
(DIR) Post #9i4O6mOlE2oq4MLd4q by karolat@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T15:33:55.702835Z
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@NekoiNemo @fence idk when kura had me try vscode i didn't really like it... sublimetext seemed to have better code templates and code completion and stuff
(DIR) Post #9i4QQRcCPGx5JM8d7o by NekoiNemo@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T15:59:53.536287Z
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@karolat @fence Then just use LSP with Sublime
(DIR) Post #9i4QTWHZVgwOegxLzU by karolat@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T16:00:26.998163Z
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@NekoiNemo @fence what's LSP?
(DIR) Post #9i4QY9uq61sijaXGXg by NekoiNemo@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T16:01:16.604010Z
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@karolat @fence https://langserver.org/Language Server Protocol.Basically a small server that does all the work, while some client is able to receive some of the features normal IDE would have.
(DIR) Post #9i4Qct2QH52jpxKxXc by NekoiNemo@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T16:02:08.400501Z
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@karolat @fence Kinda why i called VSCode a shitty bloated glorified notepad - because it is. It is literally a barebones notepad written in JS with a LSP client baked in
(DIR) Post #9i4QgIeJVdj08ZghOa by NekoiNemo@miniwa.moe
2019-04-22T16:02:45.544411Z
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@fence @karolat Sublime plugin https://github.com/tomv564/LSP