Post 9hbdql7MBQzT98kh6m by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
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(DIR) Post #9hZgZ2G1d9NOde7x8y by kaikatsu@pleroma.site
2019-04-07T20:04:41.203351Z
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Mastodon is looking into implementing #eunomia, a UN-backed internet social credit system. A government-backed entity will decide what is "fake news" and what is not. This process simply cannot be trusted.Please consider moving your server to #pleroma as a protest against Mastodons willingness to cooperate with this fascism-enabling tool.https://pleroma.social/
(DIR) Post #9hZggAHOCf61XsAHdQ by hector@explosion.party
2019-04-07T20:05:58.037318Z
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@kaikatsu intentionally reposted this fake news to protest against people railing at fake news. (You said UN, not EU.)
(DIR) Post #9hZghzwPc03M3pE8lU by igeljaeger@the.hedgehoghunter.club
2019-04-07T20:06:16.701620Z
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@kaikatsu yeah and dont forget to check out https://www.freespeechextremist.com which is pleroma's flagship instance!
(DIR) Post #9hZgkvjxgeEdtunlcu by kaikatsu@pleroma.site
2019-04-07T20:06:50.217225Z
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@hector Is it not UN backed? Guess my eunomia trust score is going down ๐คท
(DIR) Post #9hZgogdHnaL8CgTE4O by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
2019-04-07T20:07:27.151256Z
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@kaikatsu @hector lying on the internet? -500 points
(DIR) Post #9hZgub6LHF3KmmsbAm by kaikatsu@pleroma.site
2019-04-07T20:08:34.348029Z
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@xj9 @hector I have a hard time differentiating one fascist group from another ๐๐
(DIR) Post #9hZhO6BCo6hdZWDoBM by kaikatsu@pleroma.site
2019-04-07T20:13:53.963885Z
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Let us remember how China uses their social credit system: public shaming and driving dissenters to poverty through denial of services. The Tiananmen Square Massacre (mass murder by the Chinese government against democracy) is still "fake news" according to the Government of China. How long will we trust these fascist groups to decide is "fake news" and what is real? How many instances of fascism will be hidden under the name of fake news?We need a meshnet now. The people will not be censored.
(DIR) Post #9hZi3bL5rURa5HdXJg by Gargron@mastodon.social
2019-04-07T20:21:20Z
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@asaka @kaikatsu @dansup It's quite ironic that someone would spread such blatant misinformationNo, Mastodon is not looking into implementing Eunomia. Nor will any entity decide what is fake news and what's not.
(DIR) Post #9hZiNBi6rIByODk3jk by Ricotta@pl.smuglo.li
2019-04-07T20:24:57.335504Z
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@kaikatsu Please don't slander fascism by associating it with that faggotry.
(DIR) Post #9hZiQOLeKPT6SBlQrA by kaikatsu@pleroma.site
2019-04-07T20:25:32.091421Z
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@Gargron @asaka @dansup "Eunomia will create an application for social networks like Mastodon and Diaspora with features for assessing trustworthiness of information."Yes, it's not being implemented for now. But it will be. Let's not pretend that isn't the case.
(DIR) Post #9hZiiAFjTPWZwxTGd6 by dansup@mastodon.social
2019-04-07T20:28:41Z
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@asaka @kaikatsu @Gargron I'm not sure why I'm tagged, but from what I have seen that is simply not true. This isn't the first time pleroma users have spread false rumours about mastodon and it won't be the last. ๐
(DIR) Post #9hZizMlqBYbfhEgxfs by hector@explosion.party
2019-04-07T20:31:49.383736Z
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@dansup @Gargron @kaikatsu @asaka oh really? How do you explain this then? https://mastodon.social/users/Gargron/statuses/101886329545594408
(DIR) Post #9hZj6WaW5DMiAgoBfM by hector@explosion.party
2019-04-07T20:33:07.650443Z
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@dansup @Gargron @kaikatsu @asaka proof of work for social capital? Is this Gargron post fake news? https://mastodon.social/@Gargron/101711947233241657
(DIR) Post #9hZjDLbBL6Ek7FNBvk by kaikatsu@pleroma.site
2019-04-07T20:34:22.955319Z
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@hector @asaka @dansup @Gargron These are the same lies the credit system uses. It's opt-in, you don't have to use it. But as time goes on, you'll lose the ability to reach anybody without opting in. Give it time and only "non-trustworthy" parties won't have opted in. The perfect fake news campaign.
(DIR) Post #9hZkRiCQCuswDdCmDg by Gargron@mastodon.social
2019-04-07T20:37:09Z
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@kaikatsu @asaka @dansup None of it has anything to do with people's real identities, or identities at all. And most importantly, none of it has anything to do with Mastodon development. Eunomia is separate software. (That doesn't even exist yet)
(DIR) Post #9hZkRjXNEVEsMu11W4 by kaikatsu@pleroma.site
2019-04-07T20:48:09.628088Z
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@Gargron @asaka @dansup"It should be somewhat close to the "Web of Trust" extension in concept, with trust being assigned by users rather than any central curator."Every user is an identity, that can extend to their real identity if allowed. This system will prioritize large consistent identities as they will collect trust, and whistleblowers or those requiring anonymity will have no trust given due to starting off with none. Identities posting EU-approved opinions will have no fear in losing trust in this system and gain it indefinitely, allowing them to become the creators of what is true and what is not."I am the advisor answering questions about Mastodon and federation, and I am the person posting updates from the @Eunomia account. That is the extent of what I do."You are the head lead of Mastodon, and the one assisting in its use in decentralized platforms (Mastodon being one of which). This creates an unbreakable link to Mastodon development and Eunomia, one that shows your interest in such a system and your encouragement to have it created.While my first post may have been hasty (and definitely not intended to reach the large audience it did), I hold no doubt to Eunomia tying into Mastodon and the fediverses future if it does come to exist.
(DIR) Post #9hZklpiRyERzK4mSlk by jeff@social.i2p.rocks
2019-04-07T20:51:48.249170Z
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@Gargron @asaka @kaikatsu @dansup but why are you endorsed on their info page about who's behind it? inb4 they edit it. :^)bepis.jpg
(DIR) Post #9hZkqL6tBomBqfMQ64 by louisoft01@the.hedgehoghunter.club
2019-04-07T20:52:37.167204Z
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@jeff bong university endorsing this shit - IMAGINE MY SHOCK
(DIR) Post #9hZljm7mS6h7YjDAA4 by sjw@neckbeard.xyz
2019-04-07T21:02:38.935785Z
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@kaikatsu cc @matrix
(DIR) Post #9hZmFXaa1wg1kEpSuu by RehnSturm256@pl.smuglo.li
2019-04-07T21:08:23.150725Z
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@jeff @asaka @dansup @Gargron @kaikatsu So Gargron is a faggot bootlicker ๐กAnyone even considering siding with or implementing such wrongthink policing is scum.And he made third billing, too... ๐
(DIR) Post #9hZn7yYpxveH2AyEGe by emsenn@tenforward.social
2019-04-07T21:17:47Z
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@kaikatsu Even from that quote it is clear that it is the UN-organized Eunomia who will be creating an application that uses the Mastodon platform, which would not require any participation from the Mastodon developers - it's them saying "we're going to make a microblogging app like Tusky but with features for disclosing suspected fake news."@asaka @Gargron @dansup
(DIR) Post #9hZnQlT6roI1vmFbaC by nobody@pl.smuglo.li
2019-04-07T21:21:37.607468Z
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@kaikatsu https://gnujihad.neocities.org/MASTODON SHALL SOON FACE THE WRATH OF ALLAH!ุงูููู ูุฑูุจุง ูู ู
ูุงุฌูุฉ ุบุถุจ ุงููู!
(DIR) Post #9hZo01w5dKM18gccFM by orangesec_0@freespeech.firedragonstudios.com
2019-04-07T21:27:58Z
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@kaikatsu @Siedge I'll stop using mastodon if this goes through
(DIR) Post #9hZryn6LhZxUeq5Kls by roka@pl.smuglo.li
2019-04-07T22:12:35.570148Z
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@nobody @kaikatsu s/ALLAH/RMS :ignutius: :gnujihad: :rms1:
(DIR) Post #9hZs0RoVottLDLX2lk by apLundell@octodon.social
2019-04-07T22:11:37Z
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@jeff @asaka @dansup @gargron @kaikatsu It literally says right there why he's listed, and that doesn't contradict what he said at all.Read *THEN* Post.
(DIR) Post #9hZs0RwfKaPhcdLYTg by jeff@social.i2p.rocks
2019-04-07T22:12:52.185281Z
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@apLundell @asaka @dansup @Gargron @kaikatsu he's walking back everything because of the negative reaction, you should take your own advice.
(DIR) Post #9hb64xcL6rNVWgqPQG by inditoot@inditoot.com
2019-04-08T12:25:15Z
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@Gargron @kaikatsu @asaka @dansup Means its gonna exist at some point ๐ฎ
(DIR) Post #9hbJ1MBB96dZwvkgTo by chara@freespeech.firedragonstudios.com
2019-04-08T14:50:18Z
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@kaikatsu pl*mora is tranny propaganda. kill yourself spic
(DIR) Post #9hbai6w5OXNeLUfI5A by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-04-08T18:07:24Z
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@kaikatsu there are people under heavy surveillance and net-blocking in many countries who desperately need a communication system even more radical than a mesh network, something that doesn't depend on internet at all. Something like #Serval, #Scuttlebutt, #Briar etc
(DIR) Post #9hbaqDDpuFrI9upYRc by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
2019-04-08T18:09:57.538226Z
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@strypey @kaikatsu mesh networks donโt depend on internet by definition fampai
(DIR) Post #9hbbwcccU2bwcu2jNA by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-04-08T18:17:48Z
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@kaikatsu you got some links on Mastodon's plans to use #EUnomia?
(DIR) Post #9hbbwcnFqV7N9t1Dwu by kaikatsu@pleroma.site
2019-04-08T18:22:17.283404Z
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@strypey I've answered this a dozen times, just go through my posts.
(DIR) Post #9hbdqjriq4tFGMQh6G by popefucker@cybre.space
2019-04-08T18:10:02Z
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@strypey @kaikatsu mesh nets generally don't rely on the internet. Mesh networks in fact are usually connection-agnostic, and merely use IP as a possible connection medium.
(DIR) Post #9hbdqk5tzMETyL41Ca by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-04-08T18:22:38Z
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@popefucker I mention those systems because they can do direct device>device communication without depending on any other network infrastructure. My understanding of "mesh network" is that it describes creating distributed (P2P) logical networks across federated physical networks (either the existing net or a mesh of long-distance WiFi towers a la the #FreeNetworkFoundation vision)@xj9 @kaikatsu
(DIR) Post #9hbdqkFpOSAkT7hwfo by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-04-08T18:24:03Z
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Would be happy to read any good articles on use of terminology in experimental networking. It's a lot easier to discuss it efficiently if I can understand which terms are generally used for what :)@popefucker @xj9 @kaikatsu
(DIR) Post #9hbdqkUMWPnZCCVYKO by popefucker@cybre.space
2019-04-08T18:29:03Z
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@strypey @xj9 @kaikatsu oh, I don;t know of any good articles, I've mostly picked this up from hanging out on imageboards as a youngin. Lots of imageboard types like to build mesh networks.There's an idea of "network teirs" -- at T0 you have physical connection, at T1 you have frame routing like IP, and at T2 you have transport protocols like TCP and UDP, and then at T3 you have application data like HTTP.Various mesh networks try to work on various tiers, and many work in T3 exclusively. (1/2)
(DIR) Post #9hbdqkeHvVjpgz9Tnc by popefucker@cybre.space
2019-04-08T18:34:19Z
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@strypey @xj9 @kaikatsu (2/2) we call something a "mesh network" because of the topology, which would be defined in terms of the network and not the underlying transport. A mesh network generally has these properties:-nodes come and go frequently and inter-node connection can be very unreliable-any node can connect directly to any other node at any time-no node is privileged by the protocol, all are considered equal.You can also read up on wikipedia, it's probably pretty good if you're interested.
(DIR) Post #9hbdqkqLChNaIMn6aO by popefucker@cybre.space
2019-04-08T18:38:54Z
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@strypey @xj9 @kaikatsu the main problem with mesh nets is that they are very difficult to build infrastructure for long-distance communication with them. They work decently in crowded urban centers where simple wifi can reach many peers but not so well in most other places because of the ephemeral nature of connections, hence the need for more-permanent more-heirarchal physical infrastructure if they are to become real alternatives to current internet architecture, as you note.
(DIR) Post #9hbdql7MBQzT98kh6m by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
2019-04-08T18:43:35.876674Z
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@popefucker @kaikatsu @strypey i don't have answers to this problem just yet, but i'd like to try out some aerosat ideas when sunshine gardens goes into beta in a few years.
(DIR) Post #9hbe5pXY1UuJCqBnbU by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-04-08T18:42:30Z
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@popefucker being from a small island that depends on a single undersea cable to connect to the rest of the world (except for anyone who can afford satellite connections I guess), I've been thinking about this problem since the late 90s. Back then I wondered if you could do TCP/IP networking via the #AmSats or bounce it off the ionosphere #StonerThoughts ;)@xj9 @kaikatsu
(DIR) Post #9hbe5q0cHQ9wezn0ue by popefucker@cybre.space
2019-04-08T18:43:45Z
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@strypey @xj9 @kaikatsu there have been attempts to use AM radio as a low-bandwidth IP connection. It's *really* slow because AM radio is really noisy, like a few bytes per second.
(DIR) Post #9hbe5qPmlqIBv3Z78y by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
2019-04-08T18:46:20.138458Z
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@popefucker @kaikatsu @strypey there are a lot of factors to consider as you've pointed out. the plan for the sunshine gardens mesh is to peer with hyperboria and the internet over satellite internet (possibly other local wireless uplinks) so we can reuse the internet backbone until we work out a solution for long distance mesh.
(DIR) Post #9hbnDuVyJKfaXSNcKe by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-04-08T19:00:52Z
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@xj9 I hadn't heard of #Hyperboria, looks cool. I've been meaning to update the mesh-related pages on the #P2PF wiki. I'll have to check if that's there. @popefucker @kaikatsu
(DIR) Post #9hdUlw9tCCfifaTyM4 by djenderesensjuelist@sunbeam.city
2019-04-09T10:36:39Z
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@kaikatsu You can just defederate too though, right?
(DIR) Post #9hdUlwQYCG01VGHHKC by kaikatsu@pleroma.site
2019-04-09T16:11:21.251790Z
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@djenderesensjuelist No. It'll be a client side program that stores "trust" on people no matter if they opt in or not, similar to Web of Trust. Just by this program existing and being pushed by Mastodon's dev, you will be ranked.
(DIR) Post #9hdXVrgmLTh22LtUkC by djenderesensjuelist@sunbeam.city
2019-04-09T16:41:18Z
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@kaikatsu How does it get the means to execute the code on the client w/out the instance approval, user consent, or client code rules for running this program & not others?i.e., without modifying the instances & clients that are running, why is this new program running?
(DIR) Post #9hdXVruFXOT6i8CFk0 by kaikatsu@pleroma.site
2019-04-09T16:42:05.182678Z
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@djenderesensjuelist While this is a guess, it's safe to assume all of the data will be stored on a central database and its assets will be loaded at a browser level. Users will need to install it themselves, but one user that opts in can rank people who aren't opted in.
(DIR) Post #9hkoeP4VAiv3DPMomO by Siedge@freespeech.firedragonstudios.com
2019-04-13T04:57:03Z
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@orangesec_0Well so would I. Which I don't keep up on the news with that sorta thing. But keep me updated@kaikatsu
(DIR) Post #9hkoq0TAT4roO7RAY4 by chara@freespeech.firedragonstudios.com
2019-04-13T04:59:12Z
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@kaikatsu fascism is a good thing, you fucking tranny loser retard piece of shit. kill yourself
(DIR) Post #9hkovWyB3oskdKZlMe by chara@freespeech.firedragonstudios.com
2019-04-13T05:00:11Z
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@orangesec_0 @Siedge if this goes through i will proudly continue using mastodon and mastodon-related services
(DIR) Post #9hkp3ECshj4Kl47k0W by chara@freespeech.firedragonstudios.com
2019-04-13T05:01:34Z
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@Siedge @orangesec_0 hey, listen, i'm not saying anything, but, i already told you what would happen if you ever switched to the tranny cancer that is pl*mora. if you decide to make an objectively stupid decision, don't say i didn't warn you.
(DIR) Post #9hlTa18gJ6BRx5LiS0 by orangesec_0@freespeech.firedragonstudios.com
2019-04-13T12:35:40Z
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@chara @Siedge I'll probably go with misskey or gnu social.