Post 9hFPyEmH2U11Lrrph2 by sathariel@miniwa.moe
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(DIR) Post #9hFMB0XStGc18em4qO by DetectiveHyde@shigusegubu.club
2019-03-29T00:42:00.918433Z
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Here's a list of completely natural things to enjoy:* Fighting* Fucking* Looking at beautiful things* Killing* Eating* Drinking (both senses)* Imbibing psychoactive, psychadelic etc. plants, both for enjoyment and for teaching/learning* Birth* A Good Death* Pregnancy* Succeeding where someone else failed* Seducing* Being seduced* Growth* Self* Kissing and cuddling* Orgasm* Meat* Song* Chant* Rhythm* Poetry* Dancing* Choosing and wearing your symbols* Surviving* Saying: "This is mine."* Keeping secrets* Exploring* Beholding your ancestors and descendents* Beholding the Otherworld* Beholding the Others* Categorising Others into Good and Bad* Knowing that some Others are more Other, like the Fey, that-which-is-not-like-us* Saying: "But what about me?"* Saying: "But why should I care?"* Saying: "But that is mine."* The glow of kindness* Revenge.One school of thought on earth has, at various times, tried to erase all of these things from Mankind.Can you guess which one?
(DIR) Post #9hFMWIW1FTmCyQFYqu by DetectiveHyde@shigusegubu.club
2019-03-29T00:45:51.699345Z
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(The answer is Antinature)
(DIR) Post #9hFMaUz4pfVWnpqRF2 by DetectiveHyde@shigusegubu.club
2019-03-29T00:46:37.225150Z
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(No that's not a "dogwhistle" you 4 IQ fuck, Antinature encompasses various stupid fluoridated bullshit from Stoicism to Christianity to Collectivism (including its subsets such as Fascism and Mercantilism))
(DIR) Post #9hFNPF0G0bkY0Wanr6 by prydt@niu.moe
2019-03-29T00:55:39Z
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@DetectiveHyde I agree with everything except killing I think.. also I'm wondering... wouldn't what is natural for humans to enjoy in some part be shaped by society / their environment?
(DIR) Post #9hFNUCWSeuvLlJ1MAq by DetectiveHyde@shigusegubu.club
2019-03-29T00:56:41.161339Z
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@prydt society tries to shape it to be sure but it obviously doesn't work becuase people keep "degenerating" from what society tells us is goodtheir environment? absolutely, but it's really only a matter of applying the same principles. A man from a desert would savour the cool breeze the same way a man from a frozen climate would savour a warm fire.
(DIR) Post #9hFOF0mm78I6yGyMV6 by prydt@niu.moe
2019-03-29T01:05:05Z
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@DetectiveHyde similarly people also keep "degenerating" from what you would call natural as well
(DIR) Post #9hFOOZEDQVzsOoMdSi by DetectiveHyde@shigusegubu.club
2019-03-29T01:06:52.550824Z
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@prydt Do they?Leave a man to his own devices and see what he does.
(DIR) Post #9hFOPwwoixBCFksxHc by DetectiveHyde@shigusegubu.club
2019-03-29T01:07:07.533708Z
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@prydt What he *does*. Not what he says he'll do.
(DIR) Post #9hFOUlTOoUJC76QBRQ by prydt@niu.moe
2019-03-29T01:07:58Z
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@DetectiveHyde men aren't often left to their own devices
(DIR) Post #9hFOWpyL3b72e7shRA by DetectiveHyde@shigusegubu.club
2019-03-29T01:08:22.185023Z
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@prydt For good reason. we cease to be profitable.
(DIR) Post #9hFP0VvS9c6HA0gNOa by sathariel@miniwa.moe
2019-03-29T01:13:43.461381Z
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@DetectiveHyde if your definition of joy is temporary pleasure*
(DIR) Post #9hFP1ns0vEsr6Vgl8q by prydt@niu.moe
2019-03-29T01:13:56Z
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@DetectiveHyde I'd argue that even in an anarchist society without authority, most people will still not be left to their own devices (if they continue to live with others), wouldn't other people still greatly affect an individual?
(DIR) Post #9hFP4oZ0nfnQ7jEizA by DetectiveHyde@shigusegubu.club
2019-03-29T01:14:30.673782Z
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@prydt ExactlySo if a man wishes to be free....
(DIR) Post #9hFP6alD5iuhtPn1Gq by DetectiveHyde@shigusegubu.club
2019-03-29T01:14:49.825454Z
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@sathariel what could possibly be temporary about the only thing that is legitimately eternal?
(DIR) Post #9hFPIIeaEozPD6Gyjg by prydt@niu.moe
2019-03-29T01:16:53Z
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@DetectiveHyde pull a Henry David Thoreau or Ted Kaczynski? tbh I wonder if it's possible to be truly free ever....
(DIR) Post #9hFPyEmH2U11Lrrph2 by sathariel@miniwa.moe
2019-03-29T01:24:30.274229Z
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@DetectiveHyde everything is eternal, but the illusion
(DIR) Post #9hFQzIjHvosfqsXesq by DetectiveHyde@shigusegubu.club
2019-03-29T01:35:54.894447Z
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@sathariel A concept does not become more true simply because you can reduce it more esaily to mathematics
(DIR) Post #9hFRAQo6EuiQ5c6FBA by sathariel@miniwa.moe
2019-03-29T01:37:55.290365Z
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@DetectiveHyde I don't understand why you're saying this
(DIR) Post #9hFwn1gcfUmE3IUBMm by DetectiveHyde@shigusegubu.club
2019-03-29T07:32:16.005050Z
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@sathariel I was arguing that universal constants are no more "fundamentally true" (and therefore, eternal) than transient things which come again and again and again.For example, there may be elements of the universe which are quite literally eternal (such as some of its underlying basic mechanisms) but I'm saying they're no more eternal than mortal life, since while mortal life lasts but a moment, it *keeps happening* - never the same each time, but nonetheless eternal.In short, I surmised that when you said "the illusion" you meant transient, "obvious" physical reality, and then made the case for it being just as eternal as the "heart of the wheel" or what-have-you.It only makes sense if that's what you meant by "the illusion" though
(DIR) Post #9hFwu5dwM6soLobDzk by DetectiveHyde@shigusegubu.club
2019-03-29T07:33:32.582666Z
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@prydt That's one way to go about it, but I'd argue that a man can be "free within society" as soon as he no longer believes in it, and simply uses its tools like a laughing ghost to further his own aims.For example, Max Stirner was free.
(DIR) Post #9hFxK2JLMpRnXsKzmC by DetectiveHyde@shigusegubu.club
2019-03-29T07:38:13.920580Z
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@daughter @sathariel A wonderful analogy. It would be an unimaginative fellow who never wondered what the stars were, but to spend daylight in anticipation of their return would be to miss the point!
(DIR) Post #9hFxfMyriGAbjTvp2G by cantinto@shigusegubu.club
2019-03-29T07:42:05.416983Z
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@DetectiveHyde @prydt men cease to be many things without company, good or bad.
(DIR) Post #9hFyeoNMTO0QMTgfXU by cantinto@shigusegubu.club
2019-03-29T07:53:11.510983Z
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@daughter @DetectiveHyde @prydt lemme rephrase:humans need other humans in order to be fully human.humans also need to be away from other humans to be fully human, but that's not my point.If true freedom is being able to do as you see fit, then it is equally freeing to spend all your time amongst others or alone.
(DIR) Post #9hFzIjDL5Dafw72728 by DetectiveHyde@shigusegubu.club
2019-03-29T08:00:23.380822Z
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@daughter @cantinto @prydt I'm with Epicurus on this one: The only instinctive good is pleasure and the only instinctive evil is pain.I think all but the most miswired people would get no further than CONTEMPLATING torturing a cute animal and feel a knot of wrong-pain in their gut - and killing such a man as would do that, would give me pleasure.But when you get oversocialised, you can be in the bizarre situation of advocating for things that fuck you over, out of a SOCIETAL sense of morality. Why else would anyone who got away with a crime turn themself in to the police, to face a bizarre centralised idea of "justice" in which what matters is not making things right with the victim but paying a mythical "debt to society?"
(DIR) Post #9hFzfTgUzKiGQrWJF2 by DetectiveHyde@shigusegubu.club
2019-03-29T08:04:30.124253Z
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@cantinto @daughter @prydt Yeah but that's spending your time with other humans, not spending your time with the corner-of-your-eye mirage of a huge crowd of humans who in reality don't know or care about your existence
(DIR) Post #9hFzs3MGBFzCXy39zE by cantinto@shigusegubu.club
2019-03-29T08:06:47.528773Z
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@DetectiveHyde @daughter @prydt >using mythical to mean falseC'mon, Alex. You know better.But on the turning yourself in thing Crime and Punishment shows it pretty well.the guy turns himself in not to repay a debt but because he *needs* punishment. He finds that fact he killed an weak old lady for money to be abominable to himself. You could argue he was taught that by society. I wouldn't.
(DIR) Post #9hG0FVP24q94BcWuAq by DetectiveHyde@shigusegubu.club
2019-03-29T08:11:00.825344Z
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@cantinto @daughter @prydt Why would anyone who would feel bad about such a thing do it in the first place? We all slip up but at THAT level of extremity it's ridiculous.When I feel remorse, I go and actually make amends. I reject punishment, but see a point in righting my own wrongs.
(DIR) Post #9hG0PquOyP6nmX8VYu by cantinto@shigusegubu.club
2019-03-29T08:12:53.998629Z
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@DetectiveHyde @daughter @prydt I doubt I can currently present Dostoyevsky to you any better than he could himself, I'm afraid.
(DIR) Post #9hG0bFFOp5OiS6OFJA by cantinto@shigusegubu.club
2019-03-29T08:14:57.064570Z
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@DetectiveHyde @daughter @prydt that's generally not needed. but what if what you wish for calls for that great an amount of people to collaborate? then it is very much so.The Apollo Space Program wouldn't have beat the commies to the moon if the project was small enough each member knew everyone else working on it.
(DIR) Post #9hG0nmxZJ5POU61zWq by cantinto@shigusegubu.club
2019-03-29T08:17:13.081963Z
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@daughter @DetectiveHyde @prydt I was only talking about freedom, the bit about good and bad was just an add-on at the end.
(DIR) Post #9hG0whFNupeHNCc0w4 by cantinto@shigusegubu.club
2019-03-29T08:18:49.303909Z
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@daughter @DetectiveHyde @prydt I don't entirely, to be honest. I'm pretty tired.
(DIR) Post #9hG0xiWwd881duJQYK by ihavebigtits@kawen.space
2019-03-29T08:19:00.141936Z
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@DetectiveHyde Drinking (both senses[blood,alcohol])
(DIR) Post #9hG0ypUAFxu3VGXgIa by cantinto@shigusegubu.club
2019-03-29T08:19:13.315689Z
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@daughter @DetectiveHyde @prydt we were arguing?
(DIR) Post #9hG18kv25dokEgqK3s by DetectiveHyde@shigusegubu.club
2019-03-29T08:21:00.836461Z
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@cantinto @daughter @prydt Why would it matter if we never had huge fluoridated empires in the first place?
(DIR) Post #9hG1BoP1at6nuRKRY8 by DetectiveHyde@shigusegubu.club
2019-03-29T08:21:33.984356Z
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@ihavebigtits pee
(DIR) Post #9hG1Gftwd3gszV6t28 by cantinto@shigusegubu.club
2019-03-29T08:22:26.782285Z
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@DetectiveHyde @daughter @prydt Because GOING TO THE MOON IS COOL DOODGO BIG GO SPACE NOW
(DIR) Post #9hG1sHx67TqXiaWKi8 by cantinto@shigusegubu.club
2019-03-29T08:29:14.183495Z
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@daughter @DetectiveHyde @prydt bants: lilkiri: sleepingdick: out
(DIR) Post #9hG230UNO70Gk5CHlg by DetectiveHyde@shigusegubu.club
2019-03-29T08:31:10.809258Z
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@cantinto @daughter @prydt Going to the moon is rad, I meant the race!
(DIR) Post #9hG2BdCpK5qx8a6KBs by cantinto@shigusegubu.club
2019-03-29T08:32:43.941157Z
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@DetectiveHyde @daughter @prydt I mean aside from all the other bullshittwo completely independent teams on different sides of the world competing to be the first to do anything on that scale sounds really dope
(DIR) Post #9hG2Ete6ejhOzgPxku by DetectiveHyde@shigusegubu.club
2019-03-29T08:33:19.713324Z
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@daughter @cantinto @prydt lmao which pussy was this? Dostoyevsky? That's the weakest shit I've ever heard in my LIFE, that's like turning yourself in to security just because you're in an amusement park without your parents around
(DIR) Post #9hG2L3jI4up80NmUs4 by DetectiveHyde@shigusegubu.club
2019-03-29T08:34:26.555100Z
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@cantinto @daughter @prydt that's a good argument actually, shit
(DIR) Post #9hG2LbN8zlJKLXgI4W by cantinto@shigusegubu.club
2019-03-29T08:34:32.542780Z
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@DetectiveHyde @daughter @prydt I think you've both misunderstood each other here but I would think that.goodnight you two!
(DIR) Post #9hGBIx8SWUSKYvckXg by DetectiveHyde@shigusegubu.club
2019-03-29T10:14:54.370459Z
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@daughter @cantinto @prydt Fucking gay honestly, the best Christmas story is SNATCHER
(DIR) Post #9hGIWtQnn6lUo7nXqy by Echolocation@kawen.space
2019-03-29T11:35:51.736421Z
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@cantinto @daughter @DetectiveHyde @prydt tree freedom is impossible. everyone needs companionship
(DIR) Post #9hGIZb2qbjQUeTsmq8 by Echolocation@kawen.space
2019-03-29T11:36:21.051940Z
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@cantinto @daughter @DetectiveHyde @prydt I've tried escaping from people. sadly I'm more social than I thought
(DIR) Post #9hGIkbUPIMhhDS1QTw by Echolocation@kawen.space
2019-03-29T11:38:20.335998Z
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@daughter @DetectiveHyde @cantinto @prydt sounds like something I'd write
(DIR) Post #9hGIn6odnNzGx5gH2W by Echolocation@kawen.space
2019-03-29T11:38:47.571545Z
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@daughter @DetectiveHyde @cantinto @prydt maybe I should read his stuff.
(DIR) Post #9hH3lx6L7l7yNYuSdU by sathariel@miniwa.moe
2019-03-29T20:25:12.346369Z
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@DetectiveHyde Well, you explained very well what I meant with everything is eternal
(DIR) Post #9hH3ngAz1RQ4SwuBEG by DetectiveHyde@shigusegubu.club
2019-03-29T20:25:30.963841Z
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@sathariel Then what was the illusion?
(DIR) Post #9hH45VOfpzwUFOoDTs by sathariel@miniwa.moe
2019-03-29T20:28:44.570377Z
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@DetectiveHyde what don't let us to see the things as they are or make us identify something falsely
(DIR) Post #9hH4MCq65VrDcAbEQ4 by sathariel@miniwa.moe
2019-03-29T20:31:45.378717Z
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@DetectiveHyde I need to clarify that I don't see the things that you enumerate as bad or as the illusion by themselves. Looking the joy in them is a illusion, but that doesn't mean that they should be avoided.
(DIR) Post #9hH4vC8sfgfFaX4MKW by DetectiveHyde@shigusegubu.club
2019-03-29T20:38:05.663666Z
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@sathariel To me, that's Yahweh though (who is not The One)
(DIR) Post #9hH5afMwuYYq6gQOhc by sathariel@miniwa.moe
2019-03-29T20:45:34.574479Z
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@DetectiveHyde Many people has named it differently. For me the Tetragrammaton is a magic formula.pentagram-800.png
(DIR) Post #9hH5tpTPZHcQwkaKi8 by sathariel@miniwa.moe
2019-03-29T20:49:02.639663Z
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@DetectiveHyde but you aren't wrong, since I found the key of the illusion on YHVH (however we mean two completely different things with this)
(DIR) Post #9hH5xoxPQfNSVJWHGC by DetectiveHyde@shigusegubu.club
2019-03-29T20:49:46.449619Z
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@sathariel Sathy please I'm too high to have my water filter readyimage.png
(DIR) Post #9hH6Dn6W5Qu3OFOWu0 by sathariel@miniwa.moe
2019-03-29T20:52:39.587588Z
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@DetectiveHyde don't worry, my water is Argentum Vivum
(DIR) Post #9hH6v5EoXcKI5Dv3T6 by DetectiveHyde@shigusegubu.club
2019-03-29T21:00:29.027272Z
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@sathariel I know, which is why you're unaffected, but I'm drinking water and staying hydratedimage.png
(DIR) Post #9hH7VCB0DmeU1mM7sW by Mitsumitsu@niu.moe
2019-03-29T21:06:25Z
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@DetectiveHyde @sathariel can we go to that place together? I also want Alice come
(DIR) Post #9hH7VCRfDpymrS9Qqe by sathariel@miniwa.moe
2019-03-29T21:06:59.428275Z
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@Mitsumitsu @DetectiveHyde it seems a beautiful place!
(DIR) Post #9hH8F9npNZXBzDQrR2 by DetectiveHyde@shigusegubu.club
2019-03-29T21:15:19.075761Z
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@Mitsumitsu @sathariel Yes :3
(DIR) Post #9hH8FWgWIuM4xDBqjo by Mitsumitsu@niu.moe
2019-03-29T21:07:32Z
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@sathariel @DetectiveHyde Yes