Post 9goXBV9uL5MkBrxKjo by mona@cybre.space
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(DIR) Post #9goTmd7jHzHVn6NzDU by devurandom@cybre.space
2019-03-15T20:20:51Z
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right-wingers: what's up with those muslim terrorists thinking their silly religion means they have to kill infidels and wage war on countries?right-wingers: also, we must help israel defeat palestine because our book says it will end the world.
(DIR) Post #9goTrMpTIbMmhc6YZk by USBloveDog@cybre.space
2019-03-16T01:30:52Z
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@devurandom dominionists are idiotic and a Protestant infection in the laity of American Catholicism
(DIR) Post #9goUA22wnCcBkSJ9iC by mona@cybre.space
2019-03-16T01:34:13Z
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@USBloveDog @devurandom I admit I am only slightly familiar. these are hard-core "natural law" Catholics, yes? who believe that civil law should conform to Catholic doctrine, which they assert is "natural law" and therefore above mere mortal law
(DIR) Post #9goVqqpAUaBXLiqQ1Q by USBloveDog@cybre.space
2019-03-16T01:53:10Z
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@mona @devurandom I'm no expert here, either, so someone else may step in and correct me/us, but IIRC the differences between Protestant dominionists and rad trad Catholics are:• Dominionists believe we can induce the Second Coming/create God's kingdom here on earth with modern technology and by creating political instability in the middle east• Rad trad Catholics want to impose Natural Law so we have a chance at getting into God's kingdom later
(DIR) Post #9goVwoK6hhBdKX9pya by mona@cybre.space
2019-03-16T01:54:11Z
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@USBloveDog @devurandom *blinks*..."modern technology'?
(DIR) Post #9goWBZc9foIg3Tdfdo by USBloveDog@cybre.space
2019-03-16T01:56:56Z
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@mona @devurandom • Domionist Protestants are generally more OK with new technology and societal change: they want to impose Christian rules on modern society• Natural Law Catholics are like uncommitted Amish who want to revert societal changes since the Industrial Revolution (pre-capitalism) without giving up modern technology—they want to revert society and assume Christian rules will follow naturally
(DIR) Post #9goWI4ylyMqd4KJvLU by moonman@shitposter.club
2019-03-16T01:57:00.593282Z
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@devurandom you're right they both suck
(DIR) Post #9goWJRWLeJcHGmfvLE by USBloveDog@cybre.space
2019-03-16T01:58:20Z
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@mona @devurandom Militarily, nuclear arms create a much nicer apocalypse than muzzle-loading rifles.Societally, the Industrial Revolution allowed urbanization and decreased the necessity for each family to have many children.
(DIR) Post #9goWVZ5PLYtMCzr1km by USBloveDog@cybre.space
2019-03-16T02:00:33Z
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@mona @devurandom Maybe the best philosophical difference is that the modern dominionist wants to impose Christianity onto capitalism while the natural law Catholic would rather revert to a time before capitalism.
(DIR) Post #9goXBV9uL5MkBrxKjo by mona@cybre.space
2019-03-16T02:08:07Z
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@USBloveDog @devurandom oh, so we're not talking some sort of...hypothetical Neon Genesis Evangelion level of technology here, manipulating fundamental forces, we're talking something far cruder, it seems? "if we start a nuclear war Jesus will come" magical thinking?
(DIR) Post #9goXnUv9fjSWSNAoq0 by USBloveDog@cybre.space
2019-03-16T02:14:59Z
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@mona @devurandom Exactly.(Though I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out that a non-trivial number of disaffected young men and precisely zero young women do have a Evangelion Domionist view on bringing the Second Coming)
(DIR) Post #9goXxcID7PSCDRmaK8 by mona@cybre.space
2019-03-16T02:16:49Z
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@USBloveDog @devurandom this is all...rather terrifying, honestly, and I don't envy your (I'm guessing) first-hand knowledge of this culture
(DIR) Post #9goYn5XS8ugNgmSJbU by USBloveDog@cybre.space
2019-03-16T02:26:07Z
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@mona @devurandomThankfully, no personal experience as in being raised that way. I was friends with a number of Natural Law Catholics in college, but the only government laws they wanted to impose were bans on euthanasia, abortion, and execution—they long considered legal marriage to be a joke of officialism due to the popularity of divorce so that gay marriage didn't bother them.
(DIR) Post #9goZ3o9C3YRcfq55GK by USBloveDog@cybre.space
2019-03-16T02:29:09Z
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@mona @devurandom A lump of salt to take from all this is that my views on Protestant extremism may have been colored by anti-Protestant rhetoric.Many of the Catholics who become as loopy as the wingnut Protestants end up as sedevacantists who claim that the current Church is illegitimate and got corrupted sometime between 1860 and WW2 (depending on which denomination you talk to). My college friends disliked the sedevacants as well.
(DIR) Post #9goZOlZgogTwmBT5PM by mona@cybre.space
2019-03-16T02:32:55Z
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@USBloveDog @devurandom ah yes, I actually knew a sedevacantist Catholic once, though not very well as you might imagine. I imagine they find some line in some papal document that "proves" the current Church is now illegitimate. there's probably no end of fun in "debating" over just precisely when the great sin occurred
(DIR) Post #9goZPAlx8E96vSOjUe by USBloveDog@cybre.space
2019-03-16T02:33:00Z
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@mona @devurandom I only really noticed the paranoid Protestant influence among Catholic laity from overheard bits of conversation between other parishioners at suburban parishes—it wasn't the whole parish, but it is much more obvious in some suburbs than others (of similar demographics)
(DIR) Post #9goZiSsM33uQZeajWC by moonman@shitposter.club
2019-03-16T02:35:21.817863Z
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@usblovedog @mona @devurandom I grew up in nutty protestantism. There is a paucity of spirit that you probably can't imagine.
(DIR) Post #9goa2Eewc7eMH5kKpM by USBloveDog@cybre.space
2019-03-16T02:39:57Z
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@mona @devurandom[I'm trying to mock the study of the blade pasta here from memory, so forgive any errors]While others were partying, they studied canon lawWhen others were busy with baptism, they were studying rhetoricDuring the examination of conscience, they studied lock-picking to access the secret Vatican archivesNow that the Church is in crisis (again!), they can tell you it's not the ***real*** Church having the crisis but a mere impostor
(DIR) Post #9goaNEoXEYwmpsFNXU by mona@cybre.space
2019-03-16T02:43:52Z
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@USBloveDog @devurandom phew. I am somewhat reminded of the occasional American phenomenon of a citizen suing the Federal Government to prove its own illegitimacy as a way of becoming a "sovereign citizen", or something of the sort. (this is the basis of some well-known confidence tricks I think...)
(DIR) Post #9gohSd9irIcBSPfxhY by p@freespeechextremist.com
2019-03-16T04:03:18.292987Z
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@devurandom I don't think anyone in Washington actually thinks that. No one's marching on Palestine, Hamas just has a tendency to launch mortars. Don't get me wrong, it's much better than it was before Arafat died, school buses don't tend to explode any more. Aid to Israel has more to do with them being surrounded by Syria, Lebanon, Iran, home to several hostile Wahhabi groups whose stated goals include genocide of the Jews.:friend: What do you have against a homeland for the Jewish people? :friend: :israel::hacker_n::hacker_e::hacker_v::hacker_e::hacker_r::israel::israel::hacker_a::hacker_g::hacker_a::hacker_i::hacker_n::israel:
(DIR) Post #9gohiDnUuOPZRViMoS by levi@nomoresha.me
2019-03-16T04:06:06.255723Z
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@p @devurandom >What do you have against a homeland for the Jewish people?Casuse that land belongs to me (and all believers in Christ)
(DIR) Post #9gopeRWKk9wYTmOa1I by jack@freespeechextremist.com
2019-03-16T05:35:04.789850Z
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@wirelessguru1 @p @devurandom >pretty much 99% of terrorist attacks, it's all Mossad false flagsThis is true. Almost all of it is false flags. But have you thought about what they do and don't want you to do? Remember there's always two main options and the right answer is neither. The first is to be afraid and cower before them begging for protection (and receiving more panopticon). The second answer is to feel guilt for your wrongthink as a result of their false flags, as though your thoughts "caused" or "deserved" their attacks. This results in creating your own self-imposed panopticon, resolving to dissociate from reality and bury yourself deeper in their clown world. Either way they want you afraid, because their plan works best when you're afraid. Afraid of their terrorism or afraid of being wrongly accused of their terrorism. The answer is to choose fearlessness. To mock their seriousness, to subvert it. To celebrate their acts that are meant to inspire our own terror. Or not to take notice of their shenanigans at all. They can't stand to be ignored. Anything that shows we aren't afraid anymore. That's the answer.