Post 9gGiFmI159bUbHLwga by not_on_pizza@weirder.earth
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(DIR) Post #9gFicdSVt0d6iNCb3Y by katwylder@mastodon.art
2019-02-27T03:46:13Z
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Hey, y'all-- Facebook recently announced they're launching a "Patreon killer" service.Regardless of your thoughts on Patreon, FB's alternative is TERRIBLE!⚠️ 30% gross revenue fee⚠️ Automatic LIFETIME IP rights to ANYTHING you put on the serviceeven if you quit!⚠️ FB wants to give discounts and freebies whenever they like, w/o creator approval, and then deduct it from creator revenue⚠️ FB will also control WHO sees your content and how many views you havehttps://boingboing.net/2019/02/26/facebook-patreon.html
(DIR) Post #9gFit0bTbRtX86CaRc by DJWalnut@pleroma.weirdart.space
2019-02-27T07:04:22.304574Z
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@katwylder we need to spread the truth about this and stop people from using it.of course, knowing facebook, watch as they ban patreon links. all the more reasont o dump them.
(DIR) Post #9gFjBEsvFBHAdR3TWK by katwylder@mastodon.art
2019-02-27T07:06:32Z
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@DJWalnut According to people who have FB, they already hide patreon links. :/But yeah, I would definitely warn any creators you know away from this. I can't stand the idea of some hopeful kid getting fleeced out of their IP rights.
(DIR) Post #9gFjFAxzkmJXdpIyIq by DJWalnut@pleroma.weirdart.space
2019-02-27T07:08:23.033357Z
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@katwylder extortion is what this is. I hope the press puts that stuff front and center when talking about it.
(DIR) Post #9gFkUnUIunMfPVQijg by katwylder@mastodon.art
2019-02-27T07:21:38Z
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@DJWalnut Unfortunately I doubt it. Art and creative fields are severely undervalued. :/aPersonally, I think the best thing artists can do to protect themselves is to connect with other artists, especially those who are experienced and willing to share what they've learned.Then once you're the Wizened Elder Artist, turn around and try to teach the next generation to how to spot these pitfalls.
(DIR) Post #9gFkfIKD7N6TwiiLsu by DJWalnut@pleroma.weirdart.space
2019-02-27T07:24:18.499865Z
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@katwylder art and artists are valuable!
(DIR) Post #9gGA9p4UQhFp360yie by katwylder@mastodon.art
2019-02-27T04:01:53Z
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Oh yeah, did I mention that, this being facebook, they'll control the size of your audience?Who sees your work, how many viewers you have--it will all be directly in their hands, NOT yours.
(DIR) Post #9gGABBYsIVTF5esQk4 by katwylder@mastodon.art
2019-02-27T04:05:32Z
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I know facebook is pretty hated here (with good reason), but I hope as many artists as possible hear about this and stay the FUCK away from it.Those of us who are a bit older may remember TokyoPop. That seemed like a dream opportunity for young creators-- get your work published! But it was all a scam designed to prey on people who weren't experienced enough to know a bad creator deal.A LOT of folks got burned by TokyoPop. And this FB thing looks even worse.So PLEASE tell your art friends!
(DIR) Post #9gGABjqmoQ05R3WDNg by katwylder@mastodon.art
2019-02-27T04:10:46Z
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Also, (more wisdom via Spike Trotman) NEVER, EVER sign away lifetime IP rights! That's the most important thing you have as a creator!If you want to make money from your work, great! Put it on prints, merch! License it! Etc!But there's really nothing that's worth complete, total, *lifetime* control of your work! Because once you've signed your IP rights away, that's IT.
(DIR) Post #9gGAMIa6XQqW2zkdoe by polychrome@cybre.space
2019-02-27T06:24:04Z
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@katwylder can you tell me more about TokyoPop's shadiness?I only remember it from the consumer end of things.
(DIR) Post #9gGAMIodfOTKm4YFTE by katwylder@mastodon.art
2019-02-27T06:51:02Z
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@polychrome Oof. the TokyoPop thing was... a LOT. (FYI, I was never directly involved in it, I've only seen the fallout.) I will try to be brief.So, TP made a name for itself by importing some popular titles, and keeping manga in its original format. (Early manga was always flipped.) But eventually, they weren't content with focusing on quality. They wanted *quantity*, and flooded the market by licensing anything they could get their hands on, regardless of how good it was.(cont'd.)
(DIR) Post #9gGAMJ9uOJUBq2VEci by katwylder@mastodon.art
2019-02-27T07:00:56Z
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@polychrome Meanwhile, the CEO was an "ideas guy" not a "running a business effectively guy." So TP did a million things half-assed, instead of a few things well. Including Original English Language (OEL) titles.First they basically underpaid OEL creators. Then, they changed from that to essentially asking for spec work. Submit work -> then get paid IF you're accepted.The contracts were terrible, too. IP rights, moral rights (i.e., right to be credited) all signed away for a song.
(DIR) Post #9gGAOGG88vMJQNLPcW by katwylder@mastodon.art
2019-02-27T07:03:50Z
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@polychrome The pay was paltry, and a lot of creators never GOT paid.Especially when TP started putting OEL titles on digital platforms. And they definitely didn't release sales data on that, either.At one point, TP tried to wiggle out of its obligations by saying they went bankrupt ("oh no, we have no moneeeeyyyy!!!") but they never actually *filed* for bankruptcy.
(DIR) Post #9gGHP7NRLpxbqV7Rdg by talon@dragonscave.space
2019-02-27T13:31:06Z
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@katwylder I laughed at first, thinking this was a joke...
(DIR) Post #9gGLvH6h6vW16csL68 by DetectiveHyde@shigusegubu.club
2019-02-27T14:21:46.769423Z
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@katwylder Why would anyone in their right mind sign up for this vicious zuck fuck
(DIR) Post #9gGNDmy7UKod5dFynQ by Elfie@welovela.in
2019-02-27T14:36:20.037176Z
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@katwylder sounds like only a moron would use that...I really hope people don't use it:feelslainman:
(DIR) Post #9gGQG4nSTUm2pA3Iw4 by dirb@social.beepboop.ga
2019-02-27T15:10:19.518247Z
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@katwylder At least they didn't try to buy Patreon
(DIR) Post #9gGQT04rKfdJx5M0lU by vfrmedia@social.tchncs.de
2019-02-27T12:12:47Z
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@katwylder a lot of people (even fairly well known pop celebrities of Gen X era) have been stitched up by handing over their IP rights to a gatekeeper (who often doesn't then let them have/share archives of their own creations and/or even even destroys them if they cost too much to keep). There are whole gaps in my/our cultural history (of things that should be online) because of this and it sometimes takes the patience of a saint and mind of a sinner to get past some of todays "IP protection.."
(DIR) Post #9gGQsF0My8wBUMI1Xk by RussSharek@mastodon.art
2019-02-27T07:26:16Z
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@katwylder That's one of the worst terms of service I've seen since...well, Facebook.I think what really concerns me here is how this could easily become the standard for what is considered an "acceptable" way to treat a content creator.
(DIR) Post #9gGRFNVTWfsQW5s77I by Chuculate@niu.moe
2019-02-27T15:21:24Z
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@katwylder I fail to see how this is supposed to kill Patreon.
(DIR) Post #9gGcrvtvCDwNgktRWi by adidal@chat.cdstm.ch
2019-02-27T17:31:38Z
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@katwylder they are fucking trying to destroy everything those motherfuckers
(DIR) Post #9gGhXd7lnU87QuVcDw by judgedread@freespeechextremist.com
2019-02-27T18:24:01.434308Z
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@DJWalnut @katwylder The press created Facebook. They're all part of the same billionaires club.
(DIR) Post #9gGi9W7eHKleilWBeq by b9AcE@soc.ialis.me
2019-02-27T07:47:58Z
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@katwylder @aral That sounds similar to some "we own everything you publish"-clause that I encountered when I for some weird reason actually read FB's EULA when they at first launched here, so I have boycotted them ever since and have only added more and more reasons to since them.I genuinely am perplexed and disappointed as to why people are still there.
(DIR) Post #9gGiFmI159bUbHLwga by not_on_pizza@weirder.earth
2019-02-27T10:07:46Z
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@katwylder That reminds me of the talent show shit-trick. The contracts on those are very "if you're actually reading this fucking thing, the only thing you wanna sign it with is a lighter... on the end of a ten foot barge pole"...
(DIR) Post #9gGiGFa6B0IbRl2IOe by lroop@retro.social
2019-02-27T13:26:17Z
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@b9AcE @aral @katwylder The "network effect." Most people don't know/don't care how vile Facebook is, and a shocking number of people use it as their only serious online communication tool.
(DIR) Post #9gGiJcjCZclU6Vu16O by DJWalnut@pleroma.weirdart.space
2019-02-27T18:32:41.623034Z
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@lroop @katwylder @aral @b9AcE they have large buy in from people who wouldn't otherwise use the internet at all
(DIR) Post #9gGm82bYwEBIhX3tEe by succfemboi@iscute.moe
2019-02-27T19:15:23.713269Z
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@katwylder I bet many Filipino creators will fall for it
(DIR) Post #9gGpfuSM2YiB8Zb1Tk by chara@freespeech.firedragonstudios.com
2019-02-27T19:55:09Z
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@katwylderfacebook is run by anti-white kikes.
(DIR) Post #9gHLRJMANQEAYMmhTk by katwylder@mastodon.art
2019-02-28T01:34:59Z
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@Elfie Or someone who's inexperienced and not business-savvy about creative fields.
(DIR) Post #9gHLqMqKYE7abdqDbc by Elfie@welovela.in
2019-02-28T01:55:36.454123Z
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@katwylder yeah, I'm just a pessimist ;p
(DIR) Post #9gHhry2VwGW7FZhxp2 by katwylder@mastodon.art
2019-02-28T01:31:48Z
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@succfemboi Well, if you know anyone you think might try this "service" I hope you'll warn them away. 😨 It's so awful see companies try and take advantage of creators like this.