Post 9flaFc8OIGU3bsrYEy by USBloveDog@cybre.space
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(DIR) Post #9flaFbxOx7h33nim6y by Yokai@cybre.space
2019-02-12T16:20:28Z
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It's so wack to me that fanworks are generally only respected if it's a visual medium. Like, fanfiction is ridiculed, fangames have everyone up in arms about copyright infringement, and everyone thinks music based on another work is cringe.But if you make a short film or draw real good then people will worship your unlicensed unofficial work.
(DIR) Post #9flaFc8OIGU3bsrYEy by USBloveDog@cybre.space
2019-02-12T18:06:12Z
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@Yokai I’ll have to respond to this with more than this stub placeholder when I get back from my walk.
(DIR) Post #9flmPcnBttxnzrUE5I by USBloveDog@cybre.space
2019-02-12T20:22:30Z
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@Yokai tl;dr:It's because they are much more immediately obvious whether or not they are crap you can skip.
(DIR) Post #9flmeCDeysgPvRocD2 by USBloveDog@cybre.space
2019-02-12T20:25:08Z
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@Yokai Fangames do earn that respect in a "they actually did it, the absolute madmen!" way, but they also suffer from a justifiable cynicism of copyright takedowns ("it sure would be nice, but it'll catch a C&D before it goes anywhere")If they survive until release, they earn respect simply for existing against such odds.
(DIR) Post #9fln3hP0BG9rsSHUsy by USBloveDog@cybre.space
2019-02-12T20:29:46Z
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@Yokai Fanfic suffers from the problem that it takes much more investment to discern the crap from the good ones. Simply because a story is grammatically coherent **and** has a sensible narrative structure does not mean it is any good as a fan-work: too many of them end up only using the names of the official characters as the only connection to the official story, while a story with less competent writing would be much easier to clean up into existing in the official fiction universe
(DIR) Post #9flnJrpDCGUipuFZqq by USBloveDog@cybre.space
2019-02-12T20:32:41Z
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@Yokai My opinion here may be way wrong because I don't listen to fan music, so this is more speculation and based on extremely limited observations.Fan music seems to fall into two categories: electronica (often dubstep or house) and Renaissance faire ballads, neither one of which I often enjoy (even for things that are not at all fan music)
(DIR) Post #9flo5rXjY2nhrUxdmS by USBloveDog@cybre.space
2019-02-12T20:41:21Z
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@Yokai I relate to music in a very "notes come first; lyrics are for later" fashion, which means that many of the ren faire ballads bore me, while harsh electronica has a tryhard edginess I dislike.There probably is plenty of fan music in other genres, but I am unfamiliar with that—mostly know of fan music through the MLP fandom and from the roving minstrels at ren fairs and gaming cons.
(DIR) Post #9flohAJAk6Usm8wAi0 by USBloveDog@cybre.space
2019-02-12T20:47:59Z
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@Yokai The additional thing that much fan music in the acoustic ballad genre does that earns a cringe reputation is pander to the fans. Instead of writing a ballad that can be about Luke Skywalker, it opens with "This is the story of Luke the Jedi…"Fandoms love that, which attracts artists to write music with those lyrics, but it limits itself as feel-good music for pre-existing fans and artists don't have incentive to be less direct in their lyrics.
(DIR) Post #9flp0OLskivjpjNAQK by USBloveDog@cybre.space
2019-02-12T20:51:34Z
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@Yokai The cringe comes from fans insisting it is objectively the best music for everyone.#Fanwank is too derisive of a term to describe everything here, but lyrics here often end up being comfort food for fans to feel smart (and the consumes are highly cheesy, but that's my personal aesthetic opinion)
(DIR) Post #9flpEYpKbUBANJu5Ds by USBloveDog@cybre.space
2019-02-12T20:54:08Z
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@Yokai One other problem is that there is a ton of derivative ideas—TV Tropes calls it "Stations of the Canon"—that make all fanfic that puts forth a strong effort to be part of the official fictional world feel the same.Think of a #SortingHat scene in a #HarryPotter #fanfic or a #cutiemark as a #plot point in #MLP fic. No individual story is wrong for including them, but the end result is a collective failure of imagination.
(DIR) Post #9flphqi1CJMgEWRswq by USBloveDog@cybre.space
2019-02-12T20:59:19Z
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@Yokai Finally, electronica usually has one of two problems:1. The only connection to the original media is in the album art and song titles: think of an album of bog-standard computer music whose only connection to MLP is the pony on the album cover.2. The samples used are all the most-recognizable samples (think "20% cooler"): it's music for bronies instead of music that uses samples from MLP
(DIR) Post #9flpjLGF5jPDHJAW48 by Yokai@cybre.space
2019-02-12T20:59:41Z
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@USBloveDog this is a great write-up all around! Thank you.
(DIR) Post #9flq1C6brySc60AxF2 by USBloveDog@cybre.space
2019-02-12T21:02:55Z
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@Yokai This may be my personal path-dependence here, but bronies specifically made stupid electronica choices in that so much of their fan music was the hard dubstep that was popular at the time.The sonic harshness of that genre is divorced from 98% of the aesthetic of MLP and it was dominant with no reason to justify such a disparate aesthetic between source material and the consensus of fanworks.
(DIR) Post #9flq3nuqGNIxwPuqOG by USBloveDog@cybre.space
2019-02-12T21:03:24Z
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@Yokai You're welcome! My walks (and work when the busy season get going) give me plenty of time to think about things.
(DIR) Post #9flq96ViYVh53lgvPE by USBloveDog@cybre.space
2019-02-12T21:04:21Z
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#fangame #fangames #fandom #copyright