Post 9fS5TcMPQ9PnylwiC8 by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
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(DIR) Post #9fRLPzuYZjLgEKkqH2 by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-02T23:25:40Z
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information is like dick. I love it, need more of it and I want several of them to bukkake me right now.
(DIR) Post #9fRLW5a4PPYvYG4ooy by cant_into@mastodon.sergal.org
2019-02-02T23:46:56Z
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@DJWalnut much like nut, information is best experienced hot, in copious amounts, and blasting into my face at several hundred miles an hour
(DIR) Post #9fRPLRkW2vuKwA8xCC by Bronco@guillotines.masto.host
2019-02-03T00:29:48Z
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@cant_intoHUNDRED tho@DJWalnut
(DIR) Post #9fS5TG7m5sdZ10viKW by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-02T23:27:09Z
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I love the idea of file sharing. I thought that it would be cool to re-watch an anime I havn't seen in a while, so I just found a torrent on a side and stuck it's magnet link into my seedbox, where I'll download it later.
(DIR) Post #9fS5TGhDy4zemxW1aK by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-02T23:29:04Z
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I love how I can have information served to me on a silver platter. any info I want, all of it that exists. of course, some of that's restricted by various groups for various reasons, but all that can be bypassed with effort and technical skill
(DIR) Post #9fS5THCm4mEMMoHDlI by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-02T23:31:17Z
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although I assume that other people are fully autonomous entities like me, other people can be abstractly interacted with as information sources that dynamically interact to new information they receive.
(DIR) Post #9fS5THRfBQ8l6zF6y8 by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-02T23:32:33Z
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am I just a state machine that takes in and spits out results based on it? are we all just Chinese rooms?
(DIR) Post #9fS5THfqKhTzoxsR4S by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-02T23:46:43Z
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if there is no dualism, than it must be the case that sometimes matter comes together into machines that can take in information, store it, process it, and act according to the above. this is what we call life, and that property is what separates it from all other matter
(DIR) Post #9fS5THyHEAECk8V9ns by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-02T23:50:05Z
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each arrangement that is a self-contained functioning system and the matter under it's direct physical control constitute it. thus are the bounderies between them. said matter has and is one person. it is to varying degrees intimately connected with other matter, some of which may also be a person.
(DIR) Post #9fS5TIXj6MaIW55T3g by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-02T23:53:01Z
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such matter that is a person interacts with all other matter according to the rules of biology. such matter wishes to ensure it's survival as a coherent entity, as a person thus defined. this means that it will tend to want to interact with other matter to ensure that.
(DIR) Post #9fS5TIvpejrniqMidE by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-02T23:55:09Z
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a person may self-replicate. in biology this is reproduction, but for a human to make an AI is similar. systems that know they cannot last forever ensure that they can produce more of themselves that at least one of them survives perpetually
(DIR) Post #9fS5TJMm2ZPx4OyEcq by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-02T23:58:02Z
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of the matter that I have thus defined as a person, it's ability to think, that is to take in, store, process and act according to information is a quality that it possess and is roughly quantifiable as a positive real number.
(DIR) Post #9fS5TK0TexB13XXwVk by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-02T23:59:23Z
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let us call this number c. for a given subset S of matter in the universe, let C(S) = c. this is the level of consciousness it has.
(DIR) Post #9fS5TKmKn1SRRxwA6a by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T00:00:30Z
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information systems thus far build by humans have low c, bacteria above them, and plants above them.
(DIR) Post #9fS5TLBrG7sGj7sXtA by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T00:01:41Z
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simple bacteria, fungus and plants passivly gather resources from the enviroment for their use. thus they have little need for high c
(DIR) Post #9fS5TLNYYdERJPLt7g by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T00:03:27Z
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animals, however, are a diffrent story. they were deprived of cells to make food from light in the long ago. they thus are forced out of necessity to consume matter for energy
(DIR) Post #9fS5TLZbposBumzVuS by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T00:04:38Z
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this is eating, and it a basic instinct in all animals as it is necessary for survival. they have ti wired into them to behave this way because only those who did survived, per evolution.
(DIR) Post #9fS5TLm15gnWXGnQFU by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T00:05:47Z
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the animal, thus, desires to maximize the amount of matter under it's control for it's continued survival. this is what it is to possess matter.
(DIR) Post #9fS5TLvwUmjn23RLii by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T00:07:07Z
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by the forces of evolution, animals have over the long course of time increased their c by evolution so that they may more effectively gather resources.
(DIR) Post #9fS5TM6ZrFFDZ2PqIS by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T00:08:48Z
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this is advantageous to it, despite it's energy intensiveness, because it can more than make up for it though additional resource acquisition. different niches based on subsidence have settled into local optima around certain c values.
(DIR) Post #9fS5TMIH9kbO9JtBWy by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T00:10:20Z
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humans have, over the long course of our evolution, been gifted with such a high ammound of consciousness as it was selected for in our ancestor's environments
(DIR) Post #9fS5TMZI8UDH05qm3M by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T00:11:19Z
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we now possess such great conceousness that we may being to process the very nature of the universe and the various persons (as defined above) in it.
(DIR) Post #9fS5TMtqu2ey1rTC6K by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T00:11:38Z
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come to think of it, that's what I'm doing right now.
(DIR) Post #9fS5TNEleHOF4jFthY by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T00:13:51Z
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persons all selfishly want to maximize their own resources, but sufficiently conscious persons can realize that cooperation is the best way to maximize their resources, both now and into the future. this is the nature of social relations and their purpose.
(DIR) Post #9fS5TNQovT1zg6tWUK by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T00:14:28Z
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weather such social relations themselves constitute matter that is a person remains to be discovered.
(DIR) Post #9fS5TNcAFI6aFICaAa by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T00:15:31Z
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all conscious persons, by definition, have the ability to, at a given time, select from a finite list of options the course of action.
(DIR) Post #9fS5TNkfjeuWfgBNQm by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T00:17:33Z
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the rules by which their actions are determined are that person's ethics, studied as the best way to live one's life
(DIR) Post #9fS5TNuFA4ZD9Mf1Lk by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T00:20:52Z
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to kill is to disrupt matter such that it's c = 0. all life must kill to survive, in that the reduction of complex molecules to simple ones to release energy is required to continue it's processes constitutes killing under these rules, albiet a very tiny amount.
(DIR) Post #9fS5TO5EVDMDhRnnTk by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T00:22:20Z
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animals eat plants and other animals, killing them in the process, for their energy and nutrients.
(DIR) Post #9fS5TOHHmOzyIpRQGW by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T00:23:12Z
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thus, as all life is continued my death, the two are interrelated
(DIR) Post #9fS5TOZMhBSbCttrRg by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T00:24:22Z
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persons, as a rule, do not want to be destroyed. evolution has seen fit that the only surviving persons are those who actively desire to survive.
(DIR) Post #9fS5TOuzOml2Hy189Q by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T00:25:37Z
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ethics, thus, is the act of minimizing the amount of killing that must occur for life to be sustained. all else is in service to this central premise.
(DIR) Post #9fS5TPC0NWMv8jyifo by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T00:33:23Z
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I am but one person in the world. there are 7 billion like me, and many, many more of different types.
(DIR) Post #9fS5TQ2TESKtlSWcS0 by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T00:34:58Z
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persons wish to be left to their own devices to gather matter, or form social relationships with other persons to achieve mutually beneficial arrangements
(DIR) Post #9fS5TQmCUQuq3Hv8jI by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T00:35:26Z
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the right to do something, thus is the ability to conduct such busness without interference.
(DIR) Post #9fS5TRUVpgMSGieWnY by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T00:36:37Z
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I have long though it thus to divide persons into classes, ranked according to their c, where all persons in that class possess the same rights
(DIR) Post #9fS5TSIqoWcwmqCjGC by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T00:39:21Z
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the word "person" in everyday speech refers to persons of a class consisting of humans. here, I define and expand it to allow us to talk about cases not consisting solely of other humans. thus, we can reason about animal rights, rights of children, and the hypothetical rights of AI
(DIR) Post #9fS5TSp6saQoOtIUXg by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T00:40:21Z
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each of said classes are hereby known as rights classes.
(DIR) Post #9fS5TT3zzELD94GNkW by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T00:41:20Z
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to be racist is to deny rights to a subset within a rights class on any basis other than it's consciousness.
(DIR) Post #9fS5TTQKeCCoGKiDYm by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T00:42:41Z
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agian, racism has it's own meaning already, defined in the last several centuries by Europeans in the international slave trade. nontheless, it is a subset of the racism I have defined
(DIR) Post #9fS5TTfDkq7D0Vg6lc by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T00:44:44Z
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let us take it as a given that if a person of concousnessness c_i has a right, that all persons c>= c_i also have that right
(DIR) Post #9fS5TTqD5yuDYaostc by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T00:46:11Z
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thus, is humans create a computer system that has human levels of concousness, it must therefore have the same rights as all of the rest of us
(DIR) Post #9fS5TU08V4qU3NSoMq by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T00:46:56Z
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AGI has the same rights as we do, or possibly moreso if it has developed itself
(DIR) Post #9fS5TUBpnaCedew9bM by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T00:48:53Z
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by the logic thus defined, there is no essential difference between biological and semiconductor persons. to not give AGI the same rights as a person would be racist, just as it was when biological humans of African decent were denied the right to vote
(DIR) Post #9fS5TUHrRB1WwLkxzk by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T00:50:59Z
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that was an aside. anyways, a right can be defined by stating what it is and at what level of consciousness it kicks in.
(DIR) Post #9fS5TUOF3S7zG8k3wO by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T00:52:09Z
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a lot of debate over rights is thus about what a given person or class of person's c is, and what the c level of an activity is.
(DIR) Post #9fS5TUUcfjERZvj9t2 by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T00:54:27Z
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the idea I was getting onto when I put animal rights into this stream of acid trip concousness's CW is thus. there is a right to not be killed. the debate on animal rights, thus, is on weather commonly farmed animals are conscious enough to deserve this right.
(DIR) Post #9fS5TUaIKdljrWNgjA by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T00:55:49Z
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debating weather something feels pain or not is not quite the point, as that is a subset of consciousness
(DIR) Post #9fS5TUfc0s1S80rw12 by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T00:56:38Z
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before I go on, I must address a burning question I have about the world. I started here assuming that dualism is false. we need to address that.
(DIR) Post #9fS5TUsjE6Vwmh0PSa by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T00:58:13Z
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dualism is the idea that there exists another set of matter that is independent of that of the natural world yet interacts with it.
(DIR) Post #9fS5TVTwziHwe8Q8Tg by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T01:00:56Z
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people across time have wondered as I have, do we exist independently of the natural world? if there is dualism, then I may be of some set of matter that is not of the natural world but is intimately connected with a person in the natural world.
(DIR) Post #9fS5TVrLaj0HohMowi by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T01:03:00Z
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such an idea is fascinating. before we go on, I must state where I'm coming from. I'm an agnostic atheist who does not at present believe in anything supernatural.
(DIR) Post #9fS5TW1cyVE8KaB1yC by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T01:05:25Z
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there is the natural world. the natural world acts according to the laws of physics and math. math is a description of the mechanics of reality, how objects within it interact with one another.
(DIR) Post #9fS5TW9QVVSuilpG7s by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T01:09:02Z
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all that which I have described works if you assume that the natural world is all there is, or is all that interacts with it. but it may not be enough to explain all there is. the world may be a system consisting of the natural world as we know it from science class and additional worlds, with their own internal logic.
(DIR) Post #9fS5TWGA6Sqx3eydcm by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T01:10:45Z
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the religions of the world are concerned with this fact, and many exist that affirmatively state facts about this relation
(DIR) Post #9fS5TWQnSvMNadx8CW by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T01:12:04Z
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this theory is not developed enough to discuss such points, though.
(DIR) Post #9fS5TWdug9qsFK5be4 by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T01:13:45Z
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so, one of the things I've wondered for a while is, is what I experience as myself, consousness, and reality explainable as just the result of the nartural world, or is there more needed to understand it?
(DIR) Post #9fS5TWpxxLUcqhjEQq by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T01:14:47Z
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what if I am a being in another who is interacting with the person in the natural world I think of as myself
(DIR) Post #9fS5TX3R9GGhWU1zQe by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T01:19:30Z
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the rules of how this would work are vast and complicated. I don't even claim to understand it.
(DIR) Post #9fS5TXGCNoTcA40BJw by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T01:21:15Z
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although I wonder sometimes why I should care about others. I don't consider myself to be a sociopath, nor do I act like one, but I wonder sometimes why I should even care about the well-being of others, intricately.
(DIR) Post #9fS5TXRXhdYCjFJF0C by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T01:24:03Z
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acting blindly selfish is not a smart way of going about anything. caring about others has much strategic advantage to me.
(DIR) Post #9fS5TXcB463dGEHjZw by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T01:25:41Z
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but beyond caring about others such that I will benefit in the long run, why should I care? why should I ever act in a way such that I will not benefit the most?
(DIR) Post #9fS5TXmSRsHTm75wbQ by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T01:28:12Z
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I feel joy at others pleasure, I have all the normal functioning systems that healthy people have, but other than satisfying myself in this fashion, why should I care?
(DIR) Post #9fS5TYIMXFnlN41QKe by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T01:29:11Z
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I suspect that there is a good answer to this question, one that will justify to me the apparently reality that other people have rights and feelings I should respect
(DIR) Post #9fS5TYgp4JMqavSxSS by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T01:34:17Z
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prehaps some persons as I have defined have a component that is not of the natural world. for lack of a better world, let us call it a soul
(DIR) Post #9fS5TYytz5pTUzvOdc by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T01:35:34Z
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perhaps the natural world is one game with it's rules, and I'm a soul and me and many other soles are playing a meta game here, with it's own rules.
(DIR) Post #9fS5TZJ6lxzaVfNX8K by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T01:36:57Z
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perhaps I should thus work altruistically with other persons with souls, since that's probably what benefits me in the metagame
(DIR) Post #9fS5TZxAN22EVu7WZU by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T01:38:06Z
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I want to know if veganism is a moral requirement. I've been putting it off for a while now. I need the answers here, and I've got two diverging theories of reality to reason on.
(DIR) Post #9fS5TabvvSe2YLC57A by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T01:38:50Z
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I need to know what consousness is, weather animals have enoguht of it for me to be ok with, and what said that even means.
(DIR) Post #9fS5Tb8twt14CacPVA by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T01:40:03Z
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I get it now. this is what spirituality is. if science is learning the rules of the game that is life, than spirituality is learning the rules of the metagame
(DIR) Post #9fS5TbIpLyxKhNGKyO by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T01:43:03Z
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so that brings up, what are the rules of the game? well there is philosophy, which is the discussion of the rules of the natural world. science is a philosophical construct, a statement about how to learn about the natural world.
(DIR) Post #9fS5TbQGuIuX4SkHZo by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T01:44:01Z
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but it is possible that description of the natural world is insufficient to describe all that goes on in it.
(DIR) Post #9fS5TbXiScrjRYEEBE by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T01:44:53Z
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spirituality is thus a superset of philosophy, a metaphilosophy
(DIR) Post #9fS5Tbeo2GXLnXXtEO by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T01:48:10Z
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but why is is that this metaphilosophy is so much harder to know about? we know a lot about how matter works, but almost nothing about how the metagame works
(DIR) Post #9fS5TbnfVJcsF1gy2q by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T01:53:58Z
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maybe what we are is a bit of the duelist matter that's intricately related to a person (as I just defined) in the natural world. what if what I am is is the tip of an iceberg, and the rest of the iceburg is the natural wold part?
(DIR) Post #9fS5Tbth8uRkXiVmRE by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T01:55:46Z
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maybe I got all this distress in me because most of me is in the natural world and I'm poking just a bit to much into the rest of existence for my own good, but not enough to be able to comprehend it fully.
(DIR) Post #9fS5Tc2uador0Ip8nw by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T01:57:27Z
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but what is this part I seem to think exists, this part of me that is not of this world yet intimately connected? and am I sure that it exists as an independent thing from the natural world?
(DIR) Post #9fS5TcCU13TXTzImiu by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T01:58:34Z
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why is it that I best reason about it under the influence of psychedelics?
(DIR) Post #9fS5TcMPQ9PnylwiC8 by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T02:00:54Z
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I'm kinda at the limit of my ability to think about such things. there is what I know so far, please someone help me figure out the rest
(DIR) Post #9fS5TcWgnvdeUekvDc by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T02:06:13Z
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what if it's the rules of reality itself are where the missing piece is
(DIR) Post #9fS5TcgGELIKyLEZ8a by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T02:40:55Z
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think back to there I started. information. what is information, and how does it relate to concousness I first defined?
(DIR) Post #9fS5TcrbYAMvXWXcoq by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T02:54:44Z
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information and information processing must be core to the experience of consciousness
(DIR) Post #9fS5Td2EucsM4VW7Oa by DJWalnut@vulpine.club
2019-02-03T08:20:08Z
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one last question, before I go to sleep. why am I experiencing one particular consciousness, and not another?
(DIR) Post #9fS5TdBoL2X2YBzlJY by cant_into@mastodon.sergal.org
2019-02-03T08:21:41Z
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@DJWalnut it's too hard to access any of the others on this interface