Post 947778 by js@mstdn.io
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(DIR) Post #947743 by pallgone@linuxrocks.online
2018-11-02T06:23:03Z
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I'm telling you, if you use #Google #captchas on your website it's like spitting into the face of the people that want to use your service.#fuckoffGoogle
(DIR) Post #947744 by Argus@mastodon.technology
2018-11-02T15:07:47Z
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@pallgoneHonest question. How would you ortherwise address the issue solved by capchas?
(DIR) Post #947745 by pallgone@linuxrocks.online
2018-11-03T05:43:31Z
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@Argus using simple questions which are made by humans and changed regularly so robots cannot be trained
(DIR) Post #947746 by js@mstdn.io
2018-11-03T06:57:23Z
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@pallgone @Argus That’s a joke, I assume? Because that means you only need to give the answer to the bot once and then it can create as many account as it wants.
(DIR) Post #947747 by pallgone@linuxrocks.online
2018-11-03T07:47:57Z
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hah, obviously there will not only be *one* question. on bigger sites there would be even a team of people crafting answers and overlooking the signup process to make it AS GENTLE ON THE USER AS POSSIBLE. how do you fight bots? with HUMANS, not with OTHER BOTS. @js @Argus
(DIR) Post #947748 by js@mstdn.io
2018-11-03T08:07:30Z
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@pallgone @Argus That does not scale even slightly. Doesn’t work either because you only need to answer every question once and then add it to your database. It’s clear you were lucky so far and never had to deal with real abuse. CAPTCHs suck and are annoying, and AI is becoming ever closer to being able to solve them better than humans. But academia has not found a better solution yet.
(DIR) Post #947749 by pallgone@linuxrocks.online
2018-11-03T08:19:24Z
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@js AFAIK #google itself doesn't use captchas on it's own signup forms. how can that be then? #spotify even wants you to solve a captcha for logins. wow. they really suck. @Argus
(DIR) Post #947750 by js@mstdn.io
2018-11-03T14:19:13Z
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@pallgone @Argus Because they *require* you to provide your phone number to sign up. Do you want to provide your phone number to every site that is asking you to solve a CAPTCHA now? I think solving a CAPTCHA is much better than giving random people your phone number.
(DIR) Post #947751 by pallgone@linuxrocks.online
2018-11-03T17:41:59Z
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@js @Argus google didn't require a phone number for any account I have made over the years and didn't have a captcha either. clearly captchas are for lazy admins who do not care about users. but hey, it's good because that's how you can know whom you should avoid, like #spotify (the bastards demand a captcha even to login) and #soundcloud
(DIR) Post #947778 by js@mstdn.io
2018-11-03T17:43:13Z
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@pallgone @Argus It had a CAPTCHA in the past and now requires a phone number.CAPTCHAs are against mass registrations by bots, which then send millions of spam mails.So, either you have clearly not understood what real problems CAPTCHAs solve, are advocating for leaving your phone number everywhere or are advocating for more spam. Which is it?
(DIR) Post #948008 by pallgone@linuxrocks.online
2018-11-03T17:59:35Z
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@js @Argus CAPTCHA fanboy
(DIR) Post #948038 by js@mstdn.io
2018-11-03T18:00:37Z
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@pallgone @Argus I dislike CAPTCHAs and you could neither anticipate what problem they solve, nor provide a working alternative (unsurprisingly, since academia also couldn't so far). This is your only argument? That's a child's argument. And complete ignorance to the problem.
(DIR) Post #1169224 by djsumdog@hitchhiker.social
2018-11-13T10:54:37Z
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@pallgone What are good alternatives to spam prevention.
(DIR) Post #1177182 by pallgone@linuxrocks.online
2018-11-13T19:07:46Z
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@djsumdog I'd say you have to be clever, then it doesn't take a lot - and certainly not a #captcha