Post 3511476 by poetgrant@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #3506789 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2019-01-29T12:31:40Z
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Right, I’ll tell you what we’re going to do. We’re going to organise a conference in Europe for people working on ethical alternatives to surveillance capitalism that isn’t sponsored by surveillance capitalism. For people who aren’t afraid to pick a side.Because I’ve had it with this bullshit and we need non-bullshit alternatives.Watch this space.
(DIR) Post #3507845 by HerraBRE@mastodon.xyz
2019-01-29T13:11:34Z
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@aral I hate to say this, but count me out.Too much hostility.When you can demonstrate a willingness to engage politely with people you disagree with and respect others' points of view, I'll consider it.Your hostility may be inspiring to some, but you may as well know it's extremely off-putting to others, including folks "on your side."My 2c, take it as you will.(And before you write me off as another Google fan-boy, consider what I've been working on for the past decade.)
(DIR) Post #3507976 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2019-01-29T13:16:43Z
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@HerraBRE I’m not surprised. And I don’t have to demonstrate a single thing to you. What makes you think you’re entitled to that?
(DIR) Post #3507977 by HerraBRE@mastodon.xyz
2019-01-29T13:17:01Z
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@aral I rest my case. Have a nice day, Aral.
(DIR) Post #3508304 by wowaname@anime.website
2019-01-29T13:31:02.304027Z
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@aral if you desire ethical alternatives, please start by removing the presence you have on github. lead by example
(DIR) Post #3509101 by yukiame@noagendasocial.com
2019-01-29T14:01:36Z
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@HerraBRE @aral
(DIR) Post #3509139 by HerraBRE@mastodon.xyz
2019-01-29T13:32:03Z
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... and I'm blocked. 🙄
(DIR) Post #3509265 by paul@mastodon.me.uk
2019-01-29T13:43:01Z
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@HerraBRE That's weird!
(DIR) Post #3509266 by HerraBRE@mastodon.xyz
2019-01-29T13:47:41Z
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@paul If criticism makes him feel bad, it's totally reasonable for him to block people to protect his sanity.It doesn't inspire confidence that my concerns will ever be addressed (and addressing them matters if you intend to host events with diverse points of view), but who knows, maybe he'll come around when he's had some time. 🤷
(DIR) Post #3509267 by clacke@libranet.de
2019-01-29T14:06:45Z
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@HerraBRE Diverse points of view?mastodon.ar.al/@aral/101500065…"it’s time to separate the wheat from the chaff"
(DIR) Post #3509756 by HerraBRE@mastodon.xyz
2019-01-29T14:13:46Z
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@clacke Chaff and proud. 😁
(DIR) Post #3511121 by emsenn@mastodon.social
2019-01-29T14:59:24Z
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@aral He didn't ask you for a demonstration, he shared opinion, which I'm going to do now too: You're moving from being an observer and commentator to organizer without seemingly stopping to consider the difference in skills and personalities these fields take. In my experience as a founding member of Sedazad, which developed anti-surveillance for Iran and North Africa, I feel entitled and obligated to warn you that you are making yourself an easy ally for "the bullshit," you hate.
(DIR) Post #3511122 by Shamar@mastodon.social
2019-01-29T15:03:54Z
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@emsenn @aral That's because hate inhibit rational thinking.
(DIR) Post #3511475 by poetgrant@fosstodon.org
2019-01-29T14:49:15Z
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@HerraBRESeeing as how this is his way of 'fighting against' something that is controlled by market forces, I would say that historically his push will ultimately be a waste of resources. Generally the only ventures that have a chance to succeed are venture that try to improve a product and offer an awesome, superior product - 1/2
(DIR) Post #3511476 by poetgrant@fosstodon.org
2019-01-29T14:49:16Z
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@HerraBRE Generally speaking though, if the goal is to destroy something, it will ultimately fail because he is fighting against the wants and needs of a market of _people_. So in effect, he is fighting against the people (i.e. the markets) which is hard to do without guns and violence. - 2/2
(DIR) Post #3511477 by HerraBRE@mastodon.xyz
2019-01-29T14:52:35Z
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@poetgrant You have a point.I also strongly believe that "we" (Google-sceptics) should be providing people with alternatives, so the market can help keep their abuses in check.But advocacy and raising awareness also has a role to play, the big companies depend on being able to hire talent that could easily find jobs elsewhere. Without eng staff, they die.But polarising into us vs. them risks pushing people "on the fence" into their camp and I consider it counterproductive (and unpleasant).
(DIR) Post #3539151 by tursiops@tooting.ch
2019-01-29T12:35:04Z
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@aral Hi I'll be happy to participate with my non profit. Fairsocialnet.ch for more info. Pm me if you're interested
(DIR) Post #3539153 by ekaitz_zarraga@mastodon.social
2019-01-29T12:35:07Z
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@aral I'm in.
(DIR) Post #3540456 by twome@mastodon.social
2019-01-29T21:29:00Z
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@HerraBRE @aral "please don't use mean words against the giant multinational corporations systematically tearing away the human right to privacy and abetting genocidal & fascist regimes!" god this is truly pathetic
(DIR) Post #3540457 by HerraBRE@mastodon.xyz
2019-01-29T23:54:07Z
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@twome Nice strawman!Outspoken individuals like yourself are exactly the kind of attendees I am not interested in sharing an event with. Thanks for helping prove my point.Aral isn't content berating big corporations anymore. He's set his sights on FOSS community members who are, in his lofty judgement, not pure enough. And not in a friendly way.If you hadn't noticed, you're not paying attention. Or you think it's justified, in which case we disagree.