Post 3508220 by wowaname@anime.website
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(DIR) Post #3504446 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2019-01-29T10:20:56Z
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“I'm not interested in punishing people for using any particular provider. If Geary nags people for using Gmail or whatever the evil company of the month is, then people will just stop using Geary.”https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/geary/merge_requests/26#note_422142“When you’re neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor.” – Desmond TutuThe services of surveillance capitalists, if included at all in ethical technology, should come with tobacco-style warnings.#OpenSource #SurveillanceCapitalism
(DIR) Post #3508219 by paul@social.device5.co.uk
2019-01-29T10:48:05Z
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@aral >Doesn't want to punish people for using a particular provider>Makes it harder to use any provider other than Gmailflawless logic
(DIR) Post #3508220 by wowaname@anime.website
2019-01-29T13:26:40.343438Z
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@aral @paul how is fastmail or [insert service here] any more ethical than gmail? in my view, we should all be using either our own mail providers or a friend's, similar to how we choose an instance on the fediversethis being the case, the "easy mail setup" should be addressed by pushing all mail providers to advertise smtp/imap settings via SRV records (there's an IETF draft for this) and then just asking the user to input their email address and password, and if the appropriate SRV records are found then it'll automatically do all the dirty work for the user, allowing for an easy setup regardless of providerplease note i have zero experience with geary so i'm not sure if it already has the capability to do this, but judging by the fact that you had to make a merge request for a provider, i would say it lacks this capability
(DIR) Post #3508398 by paul@social.device5.co.uk
2019-01-29T13:34:01Z
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@wowaname @aral IMO companies that just provide a mail service without tracking users like gmail does are more ethical, but yes ideally everyone should run their own email server (I do!)I agree the SRV record or something similar should be the way forward. This would enable all email clients to have a simple setup no matter where a users email is hosted.
(DIR) Post #3508560 by wowaname@anime.website
2019-01-29T13:40:35.959464Z
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@paul @aral my focus is less on privacy/tracking and more on displacing the single points of failure common with large services. i say this because it's entirely relevant especially when talking about email: you probably remember SIGAINT a few years ago, which provided tor/clearnet mail service for free for thousands of users, did well for a while, then suddenly went dark and everyone panicked to find a new provider. with smaller services, the damage done by a service going down is displaced, and hopefully there is a more personal relationship between you and your server admin so that you can more easily find out about any issues and arrange to fix them
(DIR) Post #3511365 by christobal@social.coop
2019-01-29T10:31:54Z
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@aral No one is neutral on a moving train.
(DIR) Post #3511366 by Shamar@mastodon.social
2019-01-29T14:32:49Z
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@christobal @aral You can be very political without needing to break the world in opposite camps.
(DIR) Post #3511367 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2019-01-29T14:34:07Z
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@Shamar @christobal I mean, what really is the difference between anarchists and fascists anyway, amirite? ;)
(DIR) Post #3511368 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2019-01-29T14:35:43Z
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@Shamar @christobal Why differentiate the oppressed from the oppressor? It just sounds like you’re angry when you do. I might report you to your admin if you do it 🤷♂️
(DIR) Post #3511369 by Shamar@mastodon.social
2019-01-29T14:45:23Z
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@aral @christobal Have you ever read Freire's "Pedagogy of the Oppressed"?There are several tactical and strategical reasons to NOT declare a war against the oppressor if your goal is to save the oppressed.For example, oppressed people tend internalize the oppressors' values.An example?Look at your language: you seem to assume that a difference imply an opposition.I see this very often and it looks like an effect of US culture. Who spread such culture? Our adversaries.1/
(DIR) Post #3511370 by Shamar@mastodon.social
2019-01-29T14:51:49Z
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@aral @christobal I'm with you if you say: let's build a conference about software tools based on different ethics, alternative to #capitalism and #surveillance.No mention of sides to pick.Clearly stated difference, without opposition.I think by now you know I'm the opposite of someone who is afraid of picking side.But I don't think creating sides work. It's particularly dumb if you are the weakest side. And the adversaries own most communication channels and millions of oppressed-fans.
(DIR) Post #3511443 by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
2019-01-29T15:20:07.686609Z
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@aral @christobal @Shamar > anarchism = fascism🤦🏽♀️
(DIR) Post #3511814 by Shamar@mastodon.social
2019-01-29T14:35:50Z
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@aral @christobal Mind to elaborate?Are you implying I'm a fascist, an anarchist, "neutral"... simply ignorant?
(DIR) Post #3511815 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2019-01-29T14:37:04Z
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@Shamar @christobal I imply nothing. Was responding only to what you said.
(DIR) Post #3511816 by Shamar@mastodon.social
2019-01-29T15:29:35Z
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@aral @christobal Sorry, but you didn't responded.You asked a question that sound provocatory, like if I wasn't able to distinguish fascisms and anarchism.That's an unfortunate thing to tell an #Italian. We had a civil war between fascists and anti-fascists, with thousands of deaths on both camp. And a part of anti-fascists were anarchists. All were Italians.Since I suppose you know all this, I ask what you implied.Did you really meant to provoke an hatred reaction from me?If so, why?
(DIR) Post #3516011 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2019-01-29T17:10:23Z
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@Shamar @christobal Given I hadn’t a clue you were Italian, probably not. Like I said, I responded to your words.
(DIR) Post #3516012 by Shamar@mastodon.social
2019-01-29T17:26:04Z
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@aral @christobal Ok, fine.Let's forget the fascism mention. 😉I wrote:```You can be very political without needing to break the world in opposite camps.```Do I seem "neutral" to you?Do I seem even just "moderate"?Do I seem a #Google fanboy? 🤣I think it's pretty evident that I share your vision on #SurveillanceCapitalism!Yet if we start a war for the pleasure of a couple of self-elected generals we are going to help the enemy.Is it what we want?Don't be kind, be smart! 😇
(DIR) Post #3516013 by noorul@s.noorul.xyz
2019-01-29T17:39:24.969362Z
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Best wishes to Shamar and Aral!I will be happy whoever "win" here ;)@Shamar @christobal @aral
(DIR) Post #3516073 by Shamar@mastodon.social
2019-01-29T17:40:27Z
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@noorul @christobal @aral I lose.
(DIR) Post #3516119 by noorul@s.noorul.xyz
2019-01-29T17:41:51.388393Z
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Yes, it's good to lose once in while.Other wise, you may forget what is being lost as you are always winning side, right :))@Shamar @aral
(DIR) Post #3516188 by Shamar@mastodon.social
2019-01-29T17:43:13Z
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@noorul @aral I mean that I prefer to lose a debate, than to win a war.
(DIR) Post #3517675 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2019-01-29T18:34:48Z
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@Shamar @noorul @christobal How dare you? I lose! Think you could out-lose me? Muahahaha! :)
(DIR) Post #3517924 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2019-01-29T18:21:30Z
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@Shamar @christobal I guess my point it that I’m not breaking the world into opposite camps. They already exist. And one camp is oppressing the other. I’m just pointing out that they exist and what I see happening.
(DIR) Post #3517925 by Shamar@mastodon.social
2019-01-29T18:28:52Z
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@aral @christobal Yes there are oppressors and there are oppressed. We agree on this.But the best strategy is not to reunite the oppressed against the oppressors. Mainly because, in this specific case, the oppressors literally control the oppressed minds who feel the oppressors like friends, and admire and envy them.So even if oppressed they are going to identify with the oppressors and join their army, not our.So our best strategy is to disarm the oppressors from this additional weapon.
(DIR) Post #3517926 by Shamar@mastodon.social
2019-01-29T18:34:34Z
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@aral @christobal My suggestion is: don't accept #Google or #Facebook money.But invite Larry Page or Mark Zuckemberg, in person at your conference.Ask them questions.Kindly but firmly.Until they answer clearly.😉
(DIR) Post #3517927 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2019-01-29T18:36:22Z
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@Shamar @christobal There’s nothing they could tell me that their financial statements don’t. I’m not interested in reforming them. I don’t want slightly kinder factory farms (or worse, factory farms with better PR).
(DIR) Post #3517928 by Shamar@mastodon.social
2019-01-29T18:41:32Z
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@aral @christobal What you mean with "factory farms"?In any case, I suggested to invite them in person, not others.And to ask questions.Yet that's just a suggestion, do as you like.I just wanted to point out that good generals don't hate the enemy. They only need soldiers to hate the enemy, so that they irrationally choose to die.If you want to earn a living from being a general of a never ending war, go for a war.If you don't (as I think you don't), don't play this game.Be smarter.