Post 3454739 by jalcine@playvicious.social
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(DIR) Post #3445105 by c3voc_releases@chaos.social
2019-01-27T21:29:45Z
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Keynote: Google and Open Source has been released on media.ccc.de https://media.ccc.de/v/linuxtag10-6-keynote_google_and_open_source
(DIR) Post #3445106 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2019-01-27T22:36:29Z
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@c3voc_releases Oh, go fuck yourselves.
(DIR) Post #3445107 by MacLemon@chaos.social
2019-01-27T22:41:49Z
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@aral It's totally inapropriate to shout at the team that voluntarily works to provide videostreaming and recordings. You sould apologize to @c3voc_releases @c3voc !Direct your arguments at the organizing team of the event instead. #ShootTheMessenger
(DIR) Post #3445426 by vinzv@pl.vinzv.space
2019-01-27T23:08:22.342869Z
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@MacLemon Even more with picking this wording. I'm quite disappointed @aral!
(DIR) Post #3454298 by hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com
2019-01-27T23:08:34Z
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Actually, you should shoot the messenger when he's carrying propaganda. This is what de-platforming is, and it works. Now I agree that "propaganda" is a loaded term, but Google is way past the benefit of the doubt.
(DIR) Post #3454428 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2019-01-28T04:44:15Z
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@vinzv @MacLemon You’re disappointed in me for calling this out instead of disappointed in CCC for hosting a fucking Google video?Fuck you too then.Get your fucking priorities straight instead of acting out of loyalty.
(DIR) Post #3454429 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-01-28T04:47:00.375040Z
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@aralyou say, as you use a phone which is collecting telemetry and running on non-free software.I don't think you get to be the beacon of morality on this one, man.@MacLemon @vinzv
(DIR) Post #3454737 by calisti@chaos.social
2019-01-27T23:57:53Z
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@aral You probably want to redirect that to LinuxTag. I know you can say "there is no neutral", but @c3voc_releases definitely isn't the first to address here.
(DIR) Post #3454738 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2019-01-28T04:41:15Z
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@calisti @c3voc_releases Sure, fuck LinuxTag for holding the talk and fuck CCC for hosting it and whitewashing Google’s name by association. I have no idea what LinuxTag is, given it has “Linux” in the name it has afaik zero legitimacy in privacy or human rights (“open source for business” maybe, who knows, never heard of it, anyway). I can’t say the same thing for CCC.
(DIR) Post #3454739 by jalcine@playvicious.social
2019-01-28T04:51:00Z
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@aral @calisti @c3voc_releases that's not how whitewashing works...
(DIR) Post #3454740 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2019-01-28T04:52:34Z
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@jalcine @calisti @c3voc_releases That’s exactly how whitewashing works.
(DIR) Post #3454741 by jalcine@playvicious.social
2019-01-28T04:54:05Z
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@aral @calisti @c3voc_releases https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewashing_in_filmThe term's used in this context. Largely used for racial tones. It's being overloaded here.
(DIR) Post #3454742 by jalcine@playvicious.social
2019-01-28T04:56:15Z
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@aral @calisti @c3voc_releases Like the act of rewriting the definition like this is it in itself lol
(DIR) Post #3465524 by MacLemon@chaos.social
2019-01-28T12:47:14Z
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@aral I'm sorry, Aral. You could, for once have admitted that shouting expletives at volunteers was your mistake. Looks like admitting that and engaging in productive conversation is either not your goal or you're above making mistakes.The C3VOC platform is not “the CCC” just like YouTube is not the companies/organisations or individuals posting videos there.Just like the Fediverse is not just opinionated people being disrespectful to other humans.@vinzv
(DIR) Post #3465526 by MacLemon@chaos.social
2019-01-28T12:53:01Z
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@aralPissing off the ones who work on the videorecording, whereas you could have critisized the event and used the recording as evidence to back up that criticism. You know for yourself if you have even watched that recording or not.At the moment you're just coming across disrespecful, angry, and barking up the wrong tree.You might as well praise the C3VOC for hosting our #PrivacyWeek #pw18 videos, not sponsored by corps. https://media.ccc.de/c/pw18@vinzv
(DIR) Post #3467687 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2019-01-28T06:08:03Z
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@kaniini @MacLemon @vinzv Thanks, man. Because Apple and Google are exactly the same, right? Gotcha. But I’d be fine if I was on an Android phone with Google Play Services because open source folks love that shit yeah?
(DIR) Post #3467688 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-01-28T14:07:23.843250Z
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@aral @MacLemon @vinzv no, you would not be fine. both platforms require criticism, as well as both companies. Apple profits $14 billion yearly from the sale of your data to Google, for example.i also don't think screaming "fuck you" at volunteers for hosting videos of talks made by people you disagree with at a linux conference will accomplish anything concrete.
(DIR) Post #3507287 by resist__berlin@chaos.social
2019-01-28T00:04:32Z
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@aral @c3voc_releases 1) You're insulting.2) You're insulting the wrong group of people.3) You're insulting the wrong group of people for the exact same thing YOU are doing as well.Please stop that bullshit. Or should we also say "go f*** yourself" for offering software for and promoting, even financially supporting, a proprietary, highly-restrictive, user-subjugating platform through your "ethical" website? Apple and Open Source, does that sound that much better in your ears?👎
(DIR) Post #3507334 by DrRetro@chaos.social
2019-01-29T12:30:00Z
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@aral @c3voc_releases And you don't think, you are part of the Problem?The accusation of hearing someone put his code on github for convenience. They also belong to Microsoft. Choke on your hypocrisy when you blame a video team for what happens at a friendly event. And that's just because the event elected a keynote speaker who comes from a questionable company. Oh and please: Don't go into the content, but first of all blindly attack people. We are all not free of mistakes.
(DIR) Post #3507336 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2019-01-29T12:33:15Z
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@DrRetro @c3voc_releases Yeah, man, I’m part of the problem. You sussed me. Have a great life.
(DIR) Post #3507337 by DrRetro@chaos.social
2019-01-29T12:44:09Z
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@aral @c3voc_releases You can't just blindly denounce someone. That sucks. And yes, I think you're part of the problem if you propagate idealism but don't set an example yourself. That is hypocritical.And again, you blame the *wrong* ones. If then go to the organizers of LinuxTage in Berlin. Not to the team that uploads and manages the lectures.
(DIR) Post #3510674 by josef@mastodon.social
2019-01-28T14:01:31Z
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@aral @kaniini @MacLemon @vinzv I never fully understood why a pocket data miner with open source software components was better than a proprietary not as data mining one. I’ll rather pay for hardware upfront than paying with infinite personal data perpetually. It’s a bit embarrassing that Google paying lip service to open source is all it takes for people throw out privacy. It’s to put too much faith in what open source can accomplish.
(DIR) Post #3510675 by wakingrufus@mastodon.technology
2019-01-28T14:09:11Z
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@josefIt was a classic ploy to grow a proprietary product off the back of OSS, then abandon the community once the platform is successful. @aral @kaniini @MacLemon @vinzv
(DIR) Post #3510677 by josef@mastodon.social
2019-01-28T17:19:17Z
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@wakingrufus Isn’t it still? Can’t even blame companies for doing so either. It’s what a companies should do, in a sense. That’s why AGPL is interesting imo. @aral @kaniini @MacLemon @vinzv
(DIR) Post #3510678 by wakingrufus@mastodon.technology
2019-01-28T17:22:45Z
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@josef @aral @kaniini @MacLemon @vinzv Of course companies have a sound legal and financial reason to do this, but it is obviously only in their own best interests, and is hostile to users. I think copyleft helps, but even that wont stop similar moves such as GChat, FB chat, and Slack launching with XMPP bridges, then cutting them off once they have an established user base.
(DIR) Post #3510679 by josef@mastodon.social
2019-01-29T14:54:40Z
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@wakingrufus No, you’re right. I guess back in those days when social web companies complied with open protocols (Google, FB) people imagined this utoptian vision of companies playing nice within those protocols. Major economic forces such as exploitation of data, monopolization and a race to ”become the protocol” wasn’t a concern for most of said people. Today there’s Github… @aral @kaniini @MacLemon @vinzv
(DIR) Post #3510680 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-01-29T14:56:38.303992Z
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@josef @wakingrufus @aral @MacLemon @vinzv please untag, thanks
(DIR) Post #3510844 by josef@mastodon.social
2019-01-29T15:00:47Z
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@wakingrufus But in general there was very little understanding of where the value of those companies were being generated. I remember Eben Moglen famously stating that Facebook was merely comprised of some ”PHP doodads” (inspiring the Diaspora guys in the process).I guess my point is that the OSS community shouldn’t have drunken the Web 2.0 Kool-Aid. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ @aral @kaniini @MacLemon @vinzv
(DIR) Post #3510845 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-01-29T15:01:11.086089Z
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@josef @wakingrufus @aral @MacLemon @vinzv please untag, thanks
(DIR) Post #3510900 by josef@mastodon.social
2019-01-29T15:01:46Z
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@kaniini sorry, ofc
(DIR) Post #3510959 by vinzv@pl.vinzv.space
2019-01-29T15:04:15.115673Z
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@kaniini @MacLemon @aral @josef @wakingrufus Me too, please.
(DIR) Post #3511589 by bob@soc.freedombone.net
2019-01-29T12:52:37.131261Z
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@aral @c3voc_releases @DrRetro The thing is that for most of its history FOSS has been entangled with the uglier aspects of capitalism. Even before "open source" was a term. It's a complicated relationship and open source was a way to piggyback on commercial use as a way to bring Free Software to the masses.Decades later FOSS is the standard paradigm and we don't really need to try to leverage commercial uses in the same manner because we're no longer in a minority position. So for example, MongoDB going proprietary and being removed from distros will likely be the end of that project. FOSS is that critical now.Understanding the history of Google, its relationship with Free Software and how that changed is useful information. People putting up archival stuff shouldn't be a problem.
(DIR) Post #3556469 by Shamar@mastodon.social
2019-01-29T15:43:17Z
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@bob @DrRetro @aral @c3voc_releases People putting up archival stuff are doing a fundamental service to our memory, and we should always be grateful to them!Much more grateful when the documents make us feel unconfortable and challenge our assumptions.Or maybe we should only rely on what #YouTube can remember for us?🤦♂️
(DIR) Post #3556470 by bob@soc.freedombone.net
2019-01-29T15:45:12.177320Z
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@Shamar @c3voc_releases @aral @DrRetro I don't think we can ever really rely on YouTube. archive.org perhaps. But ultimately the problem of archiving the web reliably isn't solved yet.