Post 329661 by loke@functional.cafe
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(DIR) Post #328660 by thegibson@hackers.town
2018-10-02T13:27:10Z
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Yeah, I know it's Amazon...But this is a big fucking deal.https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/02/amazon-raises-minimum-wage-to-15-for-all-us-employees.html
(DIR) Post #328691 by kungtotte@fosstodon.org
2018-10-02T13:30:24Z
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@thegibson I propose a new rule: if your country's minimum wage equivalent is lower than Amazon's, you're fucking up.
(DIR) Post #328697 by rook@hulvr.com
2018-10-02T13:31:08Z
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@thegibson seeing as that's part of the reason I stopped buying from them, that's good news.Now they just gotta stop playing municipalities against one another, and a few other things.
(DIR) Post #328715 by AlleeCatBlues@anarchism.space
2018-10-02T13:32:56Z
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@thegibson holy shit this has to be fake
(DIR) Post #328811 by thegibson@hackers.town
2018-10-02T13:42:30Z
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Here's the thing.This is going to put pressure on other companies to do the same.They also know that with the incredibly tight US labor market right now, they have to do this to make their seasonal bump.I have always supported Amazon's disruption of the big box stores, as many of them have destroyed communities nationwide... yes, I recognize they don't fix the problem, but they let me get vengeance... which is nice.This is a big step in the right direction, and we need to recognize that
(DIR) Post #328822 by thegibson@hackers.town
2018-10-02T13:44:09Z
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I don't mean to be preachy here, not the point...Just that when a company does what is asked, and right, then we need to acknowledge that. There is plenty more about them that needs to be fixed, absolutely.no arguments.But this is a big deal.Change is coming despite USPOL.
(DIR) Post #328842 by phiofx@mastodon.partecipa.digital
2018-10-02T13:45:47Z
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@thegibson is it more than adjusting for inflation?
(DIR) Post #328851 by cstanhope@social.coop
2018-10-02T13:45:51Z
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@thegibson "Amazon said it will also start advocating for an increase to the federal minimum wage." I know that's just because they want their competitors to have to do the same, but I guess sometimes you need to welcome an uneasy ally.
(DIR) Post #328858 by thegibson@hackers.town
2018-10-02T13:46:24Z
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@cstanhope Take the help where you can.
(DIR) Post #328865 by thegibson@hackers.town
2018-10-02T13:47:20Z
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@phiofx That's a good question... inflation is currently low in the US. I would guess that a 30% raise is more than adjusting for inflation.
(DIR) Post #328868 by thegibson@hackers.town
2018-10-02T13:48:48Z
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Which means social pressure is working.It means enacting change without the gatekeepers is entirely possible.
(DIR) Post #328881 by rysiek@mastodon.social
2018-10-02T13:49:23Z
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@thegibson @phiofx here's the bigger issue:"However, Amazon's most notoriously abused and underpaid staff aren't employees: they're third-party contractors who face wage-theft and brutal working conditions.These workers won't benefit unless Amazon institutes a policy on contractors and subcontractors -- or unless Fight For 15 is successful in winning a national minimum wage. "/via https://boingboing.net/2018/10/02/fight-for-15-wins.html
(DIR) Post #328887 by thegibson@hackers.town
2018-10-02T13:50:36Z
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@rysiek @phiofx They are pushing for a national min wage hike as well in this announcement, and the included seasonal employees, which sounds like they may be including contracted labor... unclear.
(DIR) Post #328904 by thegibson@hackers.town
2018-10-02T13:52:39Z
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@rysiek @phiofx Like I said, there are things about it that aren't perfect... but it is a big deal still... and I suspect those things will be cleared up in time.Bezos may be wealthy beyond belief, but he is also the owner of the Washington Post, which is a liberal bastion... I can't believe this isn't somewhere deep down inside his mind, something that needs to happen.
(DIR) Post #328914 by ella_kane@hackers.town
2018-10-02T13:52:41Z
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@thegibson YES! Finally some good news!
(DIR) Post #328928 by thegibson@hackers.town
2018-10-02T13:54:53Z
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@rysiek @phiofx Those are Doctorow's words....The CNBC article states "temp employees" which sounds a lot like contractors.
(DIR) Post #328932 by rysiek@mastodon.social
2018-10-02T13:56:14Z
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@thegibson @phiofx interesting! Thanks, I'd love to get a clarification on this.
(DIR) Post #328972 by brook@octodon.social
2018-10-02T14:01:10Z
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@TheGibson Seattle - where we have a fuckton of Amazon - passes minimum wage of $15. Amazon then announces it gonna pay minimum of $15. Maybe you could argue this is a ‘despite national pol’ sorta thing, but I think it probably shows a way in which local pol can really matter. And this is a good thing because individual humans like you and me can have a lot more influence or effect at local level than we can on what happens nationally.
(DIR) Post #328983 by phiofx@mastodon.partecipa.digital
2018-10-02T14:02:00Z
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@thegibson I don't have the numbers handy but should be cumulative inflation since last minimum wage raise. Not going against your argument, just warning that with inflation and inflation expectations rising smart companies will time it right to reap the good will
(DIR) Post #329003 by thegibson@hackers.town
2018-10-02T14:03:38Z
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@phiofx fair.
(DIR) Post #329461 by Ricardus@mastodon.sdf.org
2018-10-02T14:39:56Z
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@TheGibson My friend Orin likes to say that big box stores are the enemy that should be resisted as fiercely as an enemy occupation.
(DIR) Post #329495 by remotenemesis@hackers.town
2018-10-02T14:42:21Z
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@Ricardus @thegibson Is Half-Price Books and big-box store. That place seems subversive as fuck to me.
(DIR) Post #329515 by thegibson@hackers.town
2018-10-02T14:43:28Z
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@remotenemesis @Ricardus think Wal-Mart
(DIR) Post #329520 by Ricardus@mastodon.sdf.org
2018-10-02T14:44:06Z
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@remotenemesis @TheGibson We don't have one of those so I can't speak to that since I havent seen one.
(DIR) Post #329521 by remotenemesis@hackers.town
2018-10-02T14:44:06Z
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@thegibson @Ricardus I really try not to.
(DIR) Post #329661 by loke@functional.cafe
2018-10-02T14:54:32Z
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@thegibson wait? Amazon has 250 k employees on minimum wage?
(DIR) Post #329842 by thegibson@hackers.town
2018-10-02T15:05:17Z
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@loke I doubt it, but all employees are getting corresponding raises most likely.
(DIR) Post #331433 by jerephil@cascadia.social
2018-10-02T17:24:20Z
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@thegibson I honestly fail to see how this will help in the long term. I don't have anything against it at all (I have zero employees making $15/hr or less, and my employees are not all tech) but it will just increase the M3 in a local area, which will drive prices up. People will be back where they started in a year or two.
(DIR) Post #331869 by thegibson@hackers.town
2018-10-02T17:58:13Z
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@jerephil That is certainly a possibility... no doubt.
(DIR) Post #332026 by jerephil@cascadia.social
2018-10-02T18:07:35Z
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@thegibson It's pretty much just math. 🤷♂️
(DIR) Post #332221 by bhtooefr@mastodon.social
2018-10-02T18:19:42Z
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@jerephil @thegibson Resources don't increase in cost, though, and reduced anxieties about income can mean improved work quality (offsetting the costs).Also, increased tax revenue and decreased safety net spending means that there'll be more resources for governments to spend elsewhere (including on other people using the safety net), potentially offsetting things there too.
(DIR) Post #332497 by jerephil@cascadia.social
2018-10-02T18:36:23Z
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@bhtooefr @thegibson Why wouldn't resources increase in cost? Cost is a function of (raw materials + labor cost). If the people producing the resource - whomever and however that may be - earn more money, than the production cost of the resource has increased. This will result in an increased wholesale cost to distributors, which most definitely gets passed down the line to consumers.