Post 3135772 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
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(DIR) Post #3134479 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2019-01-19T09:19:05Z
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The #EFF: “we are the leading nonprofit defending digital privacy”Also #EFF: “we’ve partnered with the world’s largest #SurveillanceCapitalist who makes billions by violating your privacy to train the people who will make the policies that defend your privacy – come be a Google Policy Fellow!”https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/01/work-eff-summer-apply-be-2019-google-public-policy-fellowThis is institutional corruption at its worst.Is anyone else sick of this bullshit? Via @schestowitz
(DIR) Post #3134480 by alcinnz@floss.social
2019-01-19T09:26:46Z
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@aral I have to disagree with you.All this is is that the EFF will work with big tech companies when their interests align, and against them when they diverge. Seems only prudent to me.And unlike what Hollywood lobbyists would suggest, the EFF works against *big* tech at *least* as often as they work with them.
(DIR) Post #3134522 by awg@pl.smuglo.li
2019-01-19T09:28:23.066568Z
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@alcinnz @aral the first rule of the Left: eat your allies.
(DIR) Post #3135027 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2019-01-19T09:44:56Z
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@alcinnz Policy. Fellows.It doesn’t get worse than this.POLICY. Fellows.#InstitutionalCorruption
(DIR) Post #3135105 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2019-01-19T09:45:49Z
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@awg @alcinnz * Identify your allies.
(DIR) Post #3135253 by alcinnz@floss.social
2019-01-19T09:52:57Z
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@aral That's only on *some* policies.I'm saying the EFF is nuanced in picking their allies. The world isn't black and white between friend and foe.They don't disclaim this in any given campaign, that would just hurt their causes. But when you look accross them all their work it's certainly there.
(DIR) Post #3135315 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2019-01-19T09:55:04Z
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@alcinnz Do you see Greenpeace recruiting Exxon Mobil Policy Fellows? The American Lung Association recruiting Philip Morris Policy Fellows.Yes, when it comes to human rights, there are those who violate it and those who protect it. Yes, there are friends and foes. Our inability to distinguish between the two is what allows them to keep doing what they do.
(DIR) Post #3135415 by awg@pl.smuglo.li
2019-01-19T09:59:27.364078Z
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@aral @alcinnz I'm not the one making a case that an organisation is fundamentally corrupted without evidence, so why should I?
(DIR) Post #3135772 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2019-01-19T10:01:54Z
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@awg @alcinnz WHAT MORE EVIDENCE DO YOU NEED? How fucking daft are you?
(DIR) Post #3135773 by alcinnz@floss.social
2019-01-19T10:11:21Z
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@aral @awg I say, sure be sceptical of how successful this individual move will be.BUT NEVER FORGOT THEY'RE ACTIVELY CAMPAIGNING AGAINST GOOGLE TOO.They've got the full spectrum of soft power to hard power (at least to the extent possible outside government) against businesses like Google.
(DIR) Post #3135782 by Shamar@mastodon.social
2019-01-19T10:10:50Z
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I agree with you, @alcinnz that the world is not black and white, and even if it was, you can't progress without talking with your adversaries, whatever your war is.However @aral is right that you cannot patner with someone which is structurally incompatible with your goal. You can (and should) talk with them, but partnership is impossible until the structural issue is fixed.Otherwise you compromise your own goal, because they benefit from the ambiguity.
(DIR) Post #3135823 by awg@pl.smuglo.li
2019-01-19T10:13:40.293205Z
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@aral @alcinnz "daft" enough to know that a small nonprofit doesn't stand a chance against a mega company like google by childishly drawing lines in the sand and not using every possible opportunity to "rub elbows" with the people who've actual power to effect change.if you've got further evidence they're compromising their Mission with actual collusion and not simply using these events to get the EFF "brand" and message out, then please show it. otherwise I think you're the one being quite daft.
(DIR) Post #3139769 by Shekelcoin@bitcoinhackers.org
2019-01-19T12:30:31Z
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@aral this is terrible. They are really partnering with the business making a censorship friendly search engine for a commie dictatorship
(DIR) Post #3141186 by aemon@social.targaryen.house
2019-01-19T13:13:08Z
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@alcinnz To resume the reasoning I used the other day. If Coca-Cola funds you and you tell the truth about how shitty Coca-Cola is for your health, then you're OK. Mostly.That shouldn't erase the suspicion that your message may be compromised to some extent. Maybe you're exposing some shit but not all the shit intentionally. Or maybe you're just a whitewashing campaign tool, and your claims will be forgotten tomorrow. Actually we don't know, that's the problem with this.@aral @awg
(DIR) Post #3149830 by alcinnz@floss.social
2019-01-19T17:25:39Z
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@aemon @aral @awg Is Google helping to fund the EFF? If not, I don't think your point stands.It's just one move from them (out of many positive) which we disagree with.
(DIR) Post #3153508 by aemon@social.targaryen.house
2019-01-19T19:16:36Z
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@alcinnz I don't know.@aral @awg
(DIR) Post #3170730 by rmdes@fosstodon.org
2019-01-19T11:00:42Z
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@aralI'm sick of the radical purity that impeach the global collective to move forward by making incremental changes. Often the purity is made out of a place where the speaker is not doing much concretely, beside speaking, to shift things in another direction, the purity also put in-between users or compagnies in front of an impossible task : self suicide for the sake of purity or die because lack of income etc that allow them to do their work. - 1/4
(DIR) Post #3170764 by rmdes@fosstodon.org
2019-01-19T11:00:43Z
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@aral This purity of goals, without assessing what intermediate doable goals could be done in the middle that would advance the whole is what make the global left in general loose battles but most of all loose ground in favor of what is supposed to be the issues - 2/4
(DIR) Post #3170765 by rmdes@fosstodon.org
2019-01-19T11:00:44Z
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@aral Purity doesn't advance a cause, it advance the profiles of those claiming to be pure (when nobody is, unless you go offline and lives out of the system) but it doesn't advance the global cause of privacy, data ownership and much less change just even a hint about the surveillance industry. It just doesn't - 3/4
(DIR) Post #3170766 by rmdes@fosstodon.org
2019-01-19T11:00:44Z
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@aral Instead purity leads to fighting those that try all the possible ways to advance the interest of the many, purity is what makes good ideas turn into cults and cultism is what's makes good ideas into nightmares. - 4/4
(DIR) Post #3171150 by humanetech@mastodon.social
2019-01-19T13:12:39Z
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@aralI am. And it is good to have people like you on the 100% (b)right side. Many more should follow. But complete rejection of anything with a hint of shadow attached, makes it harder for ppl who are still in the 'dark' to cross over. There are shades of grey in between, leading to the light.As a young dev I didn't know this side. Starting w OS switch, then browser, gradually becoming more aware.. its a path to follow, one step leading to the next; more commitment given
(DIR) Post #3171721 by njoseph@social.masto.host
2019-01-20T03:36:06Z
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@aral While it's good to point out the mistakes of people working with us towards the same causes so that they can correct them, publicly shaming and discrediting them is unwarranted hostility. What if some of your 40-50k followers stop trusting #EFF altogether?Being part of the solution in this case would be finding ways of fundraising the amount of $7500 required for the internship to avoid taking corporate sponsorship.Let's stop shooting people on our own side when we're so outnumbered.
(DIR) Post #3176794 by maiyannah@community.highlandarrow.com
2019-01-20T06:15:27+00:00
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@aral I get so much flak for pointing this out and saying the EFF aren't our friends, but anyone partnered with Google doesn't care about digital rights - or at least not ours!
(DIR) Post #3180019 by paul@social.device5.co.uk
2019-01-19T11:07:58Z
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@aral the EFF likes to fight against laws the big companies wouldn't like worryingly often.https://web.archive.org/web/20180710150322/http://fortune.com/2012/07/30/google-and-facebooks-new-tactic-in-the-tech-wars/https://web.archive.org/web/20180720153706/https://thebaffler.com/salvos/all-effd-up-levine
(DIR) Post #3180020 by paul@social.device5.co.uk
2019-01-19T11:11:40Z
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@aral Also the founding of the EFF is all about letting companies do what they want online and preventing governments from stopping them:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Declaration_of_the_Independence_of_Cyberspace
(DIR) Post #3180021 by ffs@shitasstits.life
2019-01-20T08:27:46.822600Z
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So, about those "Let's Encrypt!" SSL Certificates?@paul @aral
(DIR) Post #9fVlnibgx07TDFkNKi by donblanco@octodon.social
2019-02-05T02:57:21Z
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@aral @schestowitz "But the truth is that EFF is a corporate front. It is America’s oldest and most influential internet business lobby—an organization that has played a pivotal role in shaping the commercial internet as we know it and, increasingly, hate it. That shitty internet we all inhabit today? That system dominated by giant monopolies, powered by for-profit surveillance and influence, and lacking any democratic oversight? EFF is directly responsible for bringing it into being." (ibid)