Post 3126981 by ibrokemypie@boopsnoot.gq
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(DIR) Post #3126371 by velartrill@pleroma.site
2019-01-19T03:53:49.703430Z
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considering switching to alpine linux out of sheer hatred for systemdreally don't want to break my computer but it would be so nice to never have to touch that disaster fiasco shitheap again
(DIR) Post #3126372 by ibrokemypie@boopsnoot.gq
2019-01-19T03:54:26.055Z
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@velartrill@pleroma.site idk much about alpine, but void doesnt use systemd and is alright, also artix is an arch fork without systemd
(DIR) Post #3126388 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2019-01-19T03:55:04.003742Z
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@velartrill Alpine might be quite the jump and might not be desktop ready, what about void or sabayon/gentoo ? (screw apt)
(DIR) Post #3126438 by velartrill@pleroma.site
2019-01-19T03:56:08.672709Z
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@lanodan gentoo can suck my clit, never heard of sabayon, had a very bad experience with void the last time i tried it. then again, this laptop seems to be *miraculously* linux-friendly so maybe i could cajole void into working
(DIR) Post #3126439 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2019-01-19T03:56:45.141409Z
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@velartrill Well, what are you curently using and liking?
(DIR) Post #3126751 by velartrill@pleroma.site
2019-01-19T03:58:36.834965Z
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@ibrokemypie hadn't heard of artix, will give it a look
(DIR) Post #3126752 by ibrokemypie@boopsnoot.gq
2019-01-19T04:08:04.075Z
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@velartrill@pleroma.site and ofc, gentoo you can build with whichever system you like
(DIR) Post #3126763 by crushv@letsalllovela.in
2019-01-19T04:08:22.609614Z
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@ibrokemypie @velartrill void is really nice
(DIR) Post #3126791 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-01-19T04:09:23.352945Z
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@lanodan @velartrill Alpine can run fine on desktop if you know what you're doing. Alpine is, in general, a distribution that assumes you know what you're doing. I have no idea why Docker fell in love, since they rarely know what they're doing.
(DIR) Post #3126793 by ibrokemypie@boopsnoot.gq
2019-01-19T04:09:33.585Z
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@crushv@letsalllovela.in @velartrill@pleroma.site i used it two or three years ago and it was alright, though development was slow and i missed the aur massively, there were only official repos so getting anything added was a pain and they were quite smalli dont know how much has changed now
(DIR) Post #3126804 by roko@shitposter.club
2019-01-19T04:09:26.576427Z
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@velartrill https://i.warosu.org/data/g/img/0514/45/1448082929471.jpg
(DIR) Post #3126844 by freon@letsalllovela.in
2019-01-19T04:11:57.603223Z
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@ibrokemypie @crushv @velartrill i've used void as my main since october and it's been really good to meeverything i care about is in the repos, and i'm really fine with compiling the rest (which i can count on one hand at this point)
(DIR) Post #3126846 by velartrill@pleroma.site
2019-01-19T04:08:35.516957Z
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@ibrokemypie emphasis on "build"i spend enough time compiling software as it is :p
(DIR) Post #3126847 by velartrill@pleroma.site
2019-01-19T04:11:50.347426Z
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@kaniini @lanodan *extremely docker voice* "look ma no hands"
(DIR) Post #3126848 by ibrokemypie@boopsnoot.gq
2019-01-19T04:11:56.972Z
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@velartrill@pleroma.site i actually found that after the initial install i spent less time compiling than i do on arch (i have a lot of aur git packages) because things update a fair amount sloweri only switched back because of weird issues that i and gentoo devs couldnt find the cause of
(DIR) Post #3126855 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2019-01-19T04:12:10.692877Z
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@kaniini @velartrill Pretty sure docker didn’t know how to do a smol distro and isn’t alpine the only small one with a good package manager?Also yeah I have a FS for alpine on my laptop but there is quite a lot of software missing (and too lazy to write ABUILDS when I already write ebuilds quite often).
(DIR) Post #3126893 by ibrokemypie@boopsnoot.gq
2019-01-19T04:13:36.336Z
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@freon@letsalllovela.in @crushv@letsalllovela.in @velartrill@pleroma.site im fine with compiling, i just like knowing that everything in my system is known to the package manager and so can be esily updated/removedunless you have a local repo which is also a pain, the only option is to add things to the official repos
(DIR) Post #3126913 by velartrill@pleroma.site
2019-01-19T04:13:17.164107Z
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@lanodan @kaniini ahh okay. reasonably complete repos are a pretty big deal for me
(DIR) Post #3126914 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-01-19T04:14:15.478469Z
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@velartrill @lanodan there's 10k packages in alpine, it is reasonably complete, but desktop packaging is mostly living in the community repo which has to be enabled.
(DIR) Post #3126963 by velartrill@pleroma.site
2019-01-19T04:14:37.393550Z
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@kaniini @lanodan as in like, DEs and shit?
(DIR) Post #3126964 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2019-01-19T04:16:30.063423Z
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@velartrill @kaniini I’m pretty sure the Xfce part is pretty complete as there was a link between gentoo-musl and alpine for that.
(DIR) Post #3126973 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-01-19T04:17:13.650366Z
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@velartrill @lanodan XFCE and a bunch of other lightweight DEs are well-packaged. GNOME exists in testing, but was largely done to see if it could be done. there's little interest in it.KDE is also available if you want something heavier...
(DIR) Post #3126980 by velartrill@pleroma.site
2019-01-19T04:13:56.694161Z
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@ibrokemypie so it's not bleeding-edge?? yikes okay that's very not for me
(DIR) Post #3126981 by ibrokemypie@boopsnoot.gq
2019-01-19T04:17:58.079Z
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@velartrill@pleroma.site nonono i mean it takes a few days for updates to come through, so when theres lots of tiny updates in a short period you get them all in one rather than each 0.0.1 whatever
(DIR) Post #3127012 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-01-19T04:19:56.343699Z
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@velartrill @ibrokemypie `edge` repo is bleeding edge, but depends on maintainers to push packages. breaking other people's packages with your pushes is not seen as acceptable, so maintainers test before pushing, and verify that all necessary rebuilds are properly done.it's like debian sid, except done right.
(DIR) Post #3127017 by velartrill@pleroma.site
2019-01-19T04:18:55.945048Z
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@kaniini @lanodan haven't used a DE in years but there's some specific mate software i rely a lot on. tho mostly just caja and mate-color-select at this point
(DIR) Post #3127018 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2019-01-19T04:20:08.146844Z
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@velartrill @kaniini caja is there, maybe you should look at the rest into: https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/
(DIR) Post #3127024 by SwooshyCueb@chitter.xyz
2019-01-19T04:19:47Z
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@kaniini @velartrill @lanodan if GNOME is in testing, I assume Cinnamon isn't in, right? How about MATE?
(DIR) Post #3127025 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-01-19T04:20:48.744691Z
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@SwooshyCueb @lanodan @velartrill yes, MATE is available on Alpine. I use MATE on my laptop.
(DIR) Post #3127095 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-01-19T04:24:35.699744Z
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@velartrill @ibrokemypie (also unlike Debian, most maintainers in Alpine are non-maintainer-change friendly. this keeps things up to date for trivial matters like version bumps without placing all obligation on the maintainer.)
(DIR) Post #3127130 by velartrill@pleroma.site
2019-01-19T04:25:47.736242Z
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@kaniini @SwooshyCueb @lanodan okay sweet
(DIR) Post #3127131 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-01-19T04:26:17.000272Z
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@velartrill @SwooshyCueb @lanodan ...just don't expect non-free software like nvidia drivers or amd drivers to work. Alpine does not use the GNU/Linux ABI.
(DIR) Post #3127158 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2019-01-19T04:27:35.404678Z
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@kaniini @velartrill @SwooshyCueb Aren’t amd gpupro drivers basically useless on most machines anyway?
(DIR) Post #3127175 by velartrill@pleroma.site
2019-01-19T04:27:08.305906Z
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@kaniini @SwooshyCueb @lanodan my laptop isn't nearly expensive enough to have proprietary graphics drivers available so that shouldn't be a problem
(DIR) Post #3127176 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-01-19T04:28:32.157432Z
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@velartrill @SwooshyCueb @lanodan you'll probably benefit from the different ABI then. not having glibc is a major performance and memory usage boon.
(DIR) Post #3127196 by Skryking@mastodon.skryking.com
2019-01-19T03:56:53Z
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@velartrill @lanodan could do Linux from scratch and build your own
(DIR) Post #3127197 by velartrill@pleroma.site
2019-01-19T03:57:30.109134Z
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@Skryking @lanodan the whole point of distros is having repos available
(DIR) Post #3127198 by Skryking@mastodon.skryking.com
2019-01-19T04:28:44Z
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@velartrill @lanodan could always fork your favorite distro and remove the systemd dependency...beauty of open source...scratch the itch thatIs bothering you.
(DIR) Post #3127199 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2019-01-19T04:29:35.861421Z
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@Skryking @velartrill Same shit, gentoo litterally needs rebuilding quite a large part of the core if you have systemd or not.
(DIR) Post #3128166 by irl@57n.org
2019-01-19T05:06:49.272521Z
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@kaniini @velartrill @ibrokemypie Debian has a "LowNMU" concept that is seeing more use. Basically an indication that the maintainer would be happy if others step in when work is needed and not happening.
(DIR) Post #3128167 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-01-19T05:17:33.106193Z
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@irl @velartrill @ibrokemypie yes, but those concepts came about because people left due to being unable to get things done