Post 3089659 by xurnami@monsterpit.net
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 (DIR) Post #3089658 by xurnami@monsterpit.net
       2019-01-18T04:23:29Z
       
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       I was going to get involved in the discourse but instead I will share this from the Xenofeminism Manifesto."If 'cyberspace' once offered the promise of escaping the strictures of essentialist identity categories, the climate of contemporary social media has swung forcefully in the other direction, and has become a theatre where these prostrations to identity are performed. With these curatorial practices come puritanical rituals of moral maintenance, and these stages are too often overrun with the disavowed pleasures of accusation, shaming, and denunciation. Valuable platforms for connection, organization, and skill-sharing become clogged with obstacles to productive debate positioned as if they are debate. These puritanical politics of shame–which fetishize oppression as if it were a blessing, and cloud the waters in moralistic frenzies–leave us cold. We want neither clean hands nor beautiful souls, neither virtue nor terror. We want superior forms of corruption."
       
 (DIR) Post #3089659 by xurnami@monsterpit.net
       2019-01-18T04:23:29Z
       
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       Or to pull out some of this dense academic language: we spend so much time trying to make sure that we are all being so pure instead of fighting against the actually important things.Contrapoints, 4Lung, Dogpatch Press, ... are doing more good than less. We can't be doing a circular firing squad, especially not now.
       
 (DIR) Post #3089660 by millenomi@lily.network
       2019-01-18T04:29:15Z
       
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       @xurnami my gut feeling islikeit has been thus far impossible to move for or against anything on social media without the reaction to it being flattened to wholly for or wholly against. it is the first reaction _everyone_ has, to immediately misinterpret the presence of criticism or praise as a blanket tout-court endorsement or shunning.
       
 (DIR) Post #3089661 by xurnami@monsterpit.net
       2019-01-18T04:32:12Z
       
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       @millenomi Then as individuals in the network, we must do better. Or build systems that avoid that.
       
 (DIR) Post #3089662 by millenomi@lily.network
       2019-01-18T04:33:38Z
       
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       @xurnami like, I understand the sentiment, and I strive to do better myselfBUTso far _no system_ has been able to produce nuanced discourse without repeating the conditions of online capital-D Discourse bullshit.
       
 (DIR) Post #3089663 by millenomi@lily.network
       2019-01-18T04:34:20Z
       
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       @xurnami honestly I think we are hitting some universal truth of the medium at least insofar as free-for-all systems like forums, mailing lists and comments/replies are involved.
       
 (DIR) Post #3089664 by hierarchon@cybre.space
       2019-01-18T04:36:48Z
       
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       @millenomi @xurnami i prefer to think of it as a universal truth of human cognitive anatomy, but, it seems very possible
       
 (DIR) Post #3089821 by xurnami@monsterpit.net
       2019-01-18T04:43:30Z
       
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       @hierarchon @millenomi There is work by the cybernetics people to allow people to speak in large groups and get over the human cognitive issues. But there has not been much implementation of that work.