Post 3017663 by R10T@infosec.exchange
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(DIR) Post #2999580 by sir@cmpwn.com
2019-01-15T14:14:21Z
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Imagine an alternate reality where the only chat protocol that ever proliferated was IRCNow how do we get to this reality...
(DIR) Post #2999943 by ContainsLiquid@mstdn.io
2019-01-15T14:28:22Z
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@sir I guess because people nowadays are monstly not capable of using a computer. So irc as a protocol became too "hard" to use. Then companies came and hid all this nasty technical stuff in fancy guis, emojis and stuff.This lead to people not caring about the underlying protocol as long as they were able to post funny gifs which lead to companies to implement proprietery protocols to wall the users in.
(DIR) Post #3000392 by marxjohnson@octodon.social
2019-01-15T14:45:31Z
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@sir I was asking myself yesterday why I prefer Telegram to IRC. The big things that put me (as a tech-savvy person who like federated things) off IRC are awkward sign-up and auth (/msg NickServ isn't a pleasant experience), and having to be always connected to get a scroll back of messages you missed, or notified if someone pings you.If those things put me off, I bet there's a dozen others that stop it proliferating to the mass market.
(DIR) Post #3000517 by sir@cmpwn.com
2019-01-15T14:50:05Z
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Note to everyone telling me about their favorite thing which is not IRC: you can stay behind when I go to the IRC universe
(DIR) Post #3000776 by Wolf480pl@niu.moe
2019-01-15T14:59:15Z
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@sir tbh, IRC is not that good a protocol. The core of it is pretty good, definitely better than a random proprietary JSON-over-websocket stuff. Bu ton top of that core, a lot of nasty things grew.Everybody has extensions on top of RFC1459. RFC2811 contains some of those extensions, but also a lot of supposedly-standard features that never got implemented.Then there's ISUPPORT, and some other stuff like that.And I'm not even touching on upper layers like services or CTCP.
(DIR) Post #3000900 by Wolf480pl@niu.moe
2019-01-15T15:03:04Z
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@sir Basically, IRC is not standardized at all.It's like "do whatever everyone else does".Even the IRCv3 group (whose extensions are IMO pretty nice and well documented) didn't bother to standardize what they're extensions are built on top. They cite 1459, but that alone is not enough to get a working implementation.I think in the IRC-dominated universe you mentioned, the protocol must've evolved in a different way.
(DIR) Post #3004633 by xinayder@mastodon.technology
2019-01-15T17:33:35Z
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@sir make it a standard (meaning every network will have the same protocol, not their own implementations) and it'll be one step in the right directionircv3 and capabilities seem like a good way to try to achieve this standardization
(DIR) Post #3017213 by jgkamat@mstdn.io
2019-01-16T01:04:32Z
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@sir9 times out of 10, I can find a channel for exactly what I want to talk about and instantly get several people (usually experts) into a discussion (from health to software, informal chatting to gaming). Every other communication platform I've tried (besides email) seems shockingly barren in comparison, from XMPP to discord to slack.If anything, the universe where IRC is the only chat app that has proliferated is the one we are in right now.
(DIR) Post #3017522 by codesections@fosstodon.org
2019-01-16T01:19:03Z
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@jgkamat Teach me your ways, please! I *like* IRC, but 9 time out of 10, when I show up to an IRC channel, it seems dead/abandoned—even the ones with dozens of people signed in have few to zero responses to any given comment or question.In contrast, even simple questions on here or a (decent) subreddit seem to get far more of a response, and frequently from people who seem pretty knowledgable. So what's the secret to getting more out of IRC@sir
(DIR) Post #3017523 by sir@cmpwn.com
2019-01-16T01:21:45Z
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@codesections @jgkamat you've gotta stick around. It could take hours or even days but you'll probably get your question answered
(DIR) Post #3017531 by sir@cmpwn.com
2019-01-16T01:22:08Z
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@codesections @jgkamat everyone's not watching the chat all the time, so...
(DIR) Post #3017580 by codesections@fosstodon.org
2019-01-16T01:25:00Z
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@sir @jgkamat Maybe that's been my problem—I stick around for a bit, but certainly not for days. I tend to conclude that, once my question or comment is ~2 screens off the page, that it's not likely anyone will scroll back up that far to see it (and re-asking feels rude). So I tend to give up and wander off after an hour or so.But I don't actually log out—maybe I should SSH into my WeeChat server and see if any of my questions got answered after I wandered off…
(DIR) Post #3017647 by sir@cmpwn.com
2019-01-16T01:27:43Z
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@codesections @jgkamat it's generally safe to ask again if it's been several hours and your question has fallen off the backlog
(DIR) Post #3017663 by R10T@infosec.exchange
2019-01-16T01:28:19Z
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@sirI think Twitch uses IRC for the chat function and it works like a charm.
(DIR) Post #3259550 by zge@icosahedron.website
2019-01-22T17:57:46Z
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@sir Imagine an alternative reality where IRC managed to fix itself and *therefore* proliferated!
(DIR) Post #3260830 by mdhughes@cybre.space
2019-01-22T18:38:28Z
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@sir Make IRC persistent, fix accounts to not send passwords in cleartext, have good apps instead of shitty monospace terminal emulators, make the UI for group settings not be bitmasks set by chat commands, make it safe to transfer files and have hosting for images, files, transcripts, have server-side notifications. Probably more. IRC is a primitive joke. #irc
(DIR) Post #3261030 by sir@cmpwn.com
2019-01-22T18:45:10Z
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@mdhughes most IRC servers already support SSL, so no need to do anything special for passwords there. I don't care to answer the rest of your complaints
(DIR) Post #3269580 by mdhughes@cybre.space
2019-01-23T00:08:26Z
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@sir And this is why IRC will continue to be ignored.
(DIR) Post #3269696 by sir@cmpwn.com
2019-01-23T00:11:45Z
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@mdhughes yeah, I'll just go have a pity party about it with the 80,000 other people being productive and social on Freenode *right now*.
(DIR) Post #3269716 by sir@cmpwn.com
2019-01-23T00:12:21Z
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@mdhughes to be honest I guess one advantage of other chat systems is that they act like a magnet to keep morons like you off of IRC
(DIR) Post #3270240 by mdhughes@cybre.space
2019-01-23T00:31:15Z
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@sir OK, the hundreds of millions on more modern systems won't miss you all.
(DIR) Post #3270286 by mdhughes@cybre.space
2019-01-23T00:32:40Z
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@sir Yes, I can see the kind and welcoming culture of IRC is really going to draw them in. You're a credit to your species, whatever that is.
(DIR) Post #3270312 by sir@cmpwn.com
2019-01-23T00:34:21Z
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@mdhughes I wasn't the one who started slinging mud.
(DIR) Post #3270558 by mdhughes@cybre.space
2019-01-23T00:47:33Z
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@sir I criticized an obsolete networking protocol with bad clients. Programs aren't people, IRC user.
(DIR) Post #3270627 by wowaname@anime.website
2019-01-23T00:50:20.393606Z
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@xinayder @sir ircv3 and capabilities won't standardise it; irc has a culture of stubborn networks and users who will never upgrade and adapt to new standards
(DIR) Post #3270629 by sir@cmpwn.com
2019-01-23T00:50:26Z
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@mdhughes follow up with more mud, good call
(DIR) Post #3270666 by wowaname@anime.website
2019-01-23T00:52:38.352275Z
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@mdhughes @sir i don't think irc is a good protocol either but you definitely are being a self-righteous cunt here
(DIR) Post #3270860 by sir@cmpwn.com
2019-01-23T01:01:02Z
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@wowaname @xinayder I think the main problem is that the maintainers of big networks are starved for time and/or don't care because It Already Works Well Enough
(DIR) Post #3270872 by sir@cmpwn.com
2019-01-23T01:01:12Z
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@wowaname @xinayder which I am entirely fine with, it does indeed Already Work Well Enough
(DIR) Post #3272786 by USBloveDog@cybre.space
2019-01-23T02:28:00Z
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@sir Does MS #ComicChat count as IRC or not?
(DIR) Post #3273820 by clacke@libranet.de
2019-01-23T03:11:59Z
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@Wolf480pl @sir Yes, an outdated and open-ended spec based on drafts of other specs, that is in reality defined by implementation, could never become the basis of something like a social network for a near-decade. 😉