Post 2882025 by dude@take.iteasy.club
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(DIR) Post #2871799 by anfora@mastodon.social
2019-01-11T14:07:12Z
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About article 13 https://juliareda.eu/2019/01/article-13-almost-finished/
(DIR) Post #2871800 by dansup@mastodon.social
2019-01-11T17:16:49Z
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@anfora I'm so glad I don't live in the EU.
(DIR) Post #2871801 by selea@social.linux.pizza
2019-01-11T17:22:53Z
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@dansupIt will affect you anyway if it passes.@anfora
(DIR) Post #2875207 by julloyart@mastodon.art
2019-01-11T19:44:03Z
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@dansup As @selea stated: It will affect you anyway.As soon as you have users from the EU (which you have on pixelfed) you /Pixelfed is affected by that articel 13, since your users remain the copyright owners of the posts they make.That is if it passes of course.
(DIR) Post #2875362 by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
2019-01-11T19:49:04.535332Z
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@julloyart @selea @dansup if i'm not in EU jurisdiction i don't have to follow EU laws thocheckmate copyright reform
(DIR) Post #2875480 by julloyart@mastodon.art
2019-01-11T19:51:14Z
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@xj9 If you have a platform on which someone from the eu is allowed to post something/leave data behind - you have to follow EU laws.Why do you think all the big plattforms send those information about the handling of the data to every user last year?
(DIR) Post #2875481 by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
2019-01-11T19:52:45.692681Z
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@julloyart that would be true if the service has any legal presence in EU, but there is no way to enforce those laws on somebody outside of their jurisdiction.
(DIR) Post #2875717 by julloyart@mastodon.art
2019-01-11T19:57:42Z
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@xj9 Imagine the words "plattform" and "someone from the eu is allowed to leave data behind" from my last toot in bold text.With "Leaving data behind" I mean the tracking and saving data of every user, every website does nowadays.If you have a plain HTML site that doesn't save data from their users in any way, then you are right. But as soon as you handle data, you might be handling data from EU citizen and in that way you are involved, even if you are not in the EU yourself.
(DIR) Post #2875718 by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
2019-01-11T19:59:07.629018Z
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@julloyart EU can't make me follow GDPR or any other regulation if i have no legal presence in EU.
(DIR) Post #2875815 by julloyart@mastodon.art
2019-01-11T19:59:41Z
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@xj9 I probably should also state that I'm in no way 100% sure about that, but reading artikel 13 and the eu data thing from 2018, it is understandable in that way and the big plattforms like facebook and google etc were handling the gdpr in that way.
(DIR) Post #2875816 by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
2019-01-11T20:01:18.533505Z
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@julloyart i understand that EU *wants* to enforce their regulations, but the point that i'm making is that EU has no way to enforce this for people/organizations outside of their legal reach (jurisdiction)facebook and google both have a legal presence in EU because they do business there.anyone who is merely accessible over the network doesn't automatically fall under EU law.
(DIR) Post #2876251 by selea@social.linux.pizza
2019-01-11T20:12:24Z
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@xj9 Wrong, your service is accessible from "the EU", so you have to comply.@julloyart @dansup
(DIR) Post #2876271 by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
2019-01-11T20:12:50.262264Z
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@selea @dansup @julloyart ok EU police. come make me comply.
(DIR) Post #2876302 by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
2019-01-11T20:14:11.912689Z
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@selea @dansup @julloyart oh wait, YOU CAN'T!i'm outside if your jurisdiction so none of your laws apply to me.
(DIR) Post #2876326 by phildobangnz@pl.smuglo.li
2019-01-11T20:14:55.082119Z
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@xj9 @selea @dansup @julloyart trollolololol
(DIR) Post #2876377 by julloyart@mastodon.art
2019-01-11T20:15:04Z
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@xj9 @selea We are not the EU police, at least I'm not.I just live there and am as annoyed by those "We want to do it better but didn't think it through" laws as everyone who is using the internet from here or is providing a platform for sharing.
(DIR) Post #2876425 by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
2019-01-11T20:17:19.612040Z
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@julloyart @selea well cyberspace declared independence from meatspace in 1996so, we don't really care what the laws are in generalhttps://heropunch.io/declaration-of-independence
(DIR) Post #2877716 by selea@social.linux.pizza
2019-01-11T20:58:03Z
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@xj9Lel ok, just because I stated the facts does not mean I like it.@dansup @julloyart
(DIR) Post #2877748 by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
2019-01-11T20:59:14.380258Z
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@selea @julloyart @dansup your "facts" are wrong tho. i have no obligation to follow EU law if i am not under EU jurisdiction.
(DIR) Post #2878597 by selea@social.linux.pizza
2019-01-11T21:25:48Z
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@xj9No, I am correct. You have to follow them if your users is from within the EU. Go read it for yourself. @julloyart @dansup
(DIR) Post #2879086 by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
2019-01-11T21:39:49.709568Z
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@selea @dansup @julloyart the law can say that, but how can EU enforce laws that don't exist in my country?
(DIR) Post #2879792 by emsenn@mastodon.social
2019-01-11T21:46:49Z
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@xj9 @selea @dansup @julloyart Here's what I think is a cool and relevant Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brussels_effect
(DIR) Post #2880047 by emsenn@mastodon.social
2019-01-11T21:53:21Z
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@xj9 @selea @dansup @julloyart And here's another Wikipedia article, a bit more boring, about the working relationship between the EU and US legal systems, which shows a mutual cooperation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EU–US_Privacy_Shield
(DIR) Post #2880048 by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
2019-01-11T22:11:07.189923Z
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@emsenn @julloyart @dansup @selea that's fine. i'm still going to ignore EU law and copyright law in general thx.
(DIR) Post #2880099 by emsenn@mastodon.social
2019-01-11T22:13:16Z
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@xj9 Responding with this after incorrectly calling someone wrong comes off as really abrasive and immature, in case you're unaware.
(DIR) Post #2880100 by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
2019-01-11T22:13:34.695461Z
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@emsenn oh i don't care
(DIR) Post #2880146 by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
2019-01-11T22:14:55.403447Z
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@emsenn i still don't think i'm wrong, but i also don't care and will break the law if it inconveniences me.
(DIR) Post #2880484 by hector@explosion.party
2019-01-11T22:24:58.546674Z
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@emsenn @xj9 in case you're unaware, you are an idiot. It is not incorrect to say that whatever fancy shmancy laws (i.e. rules made by politicians) they dream up, their power to enforce them is not unlimited. And so we shall disregard these and other laws which stem from the hubris of those who call themselves the authorities.
(DIR) Post #2880844 by zaitcev@sealion.club
2019-01-11T22:31:31+00:00
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@xj9 @julloyart What if they get Canadian cops to arrest and extradite you, like that Huawei woman?
(DIR) Post #2882025 by dude@take.iteasy.club
2019-01-11T23:19:27.497711Z
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@hector @emsenn @xj9 does anyone other than the eu give a shit about what the eu thinks?
(DIR) Post #2882481 by dude@take.iteasy.club
2019-01-11T23:32:03.005656Z
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@selea no she does not. @dansup @julloyart @xj9 how many users are you making a profit from?Screenshot from 2019-01-11 18-3…
(DIR) Post #2882571 by Rude@pl.kys.moe
2019-01-11T23:35:27.597421Z
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@selea @dansup @julloyart @xj9 This is straight up false. If you are hosted in the United States and don't do business in the EU they have 0 jurisdiction over you. They wish they did fucking European Empire.
(DIR) Post #2915523 by Niquarl@mastodon.social
2019-01-13T00:48:09Z
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@xj9 @julloyart Your website/server could always get blocked.It would be a shame to not be able to access all the instances in the fediverse because of this.
(DIR) Post #2915524 by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
2019-01-13T00:59:13.031519Z
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@Niquarl @julloyart that'll be impossible in the near future. a lot of future internet protocols make this kind of network filtering much more difficult. impossible in some cases.