Post 286356 by uranther@cybre.space
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(DIR) Post #286195 by mayel@pub.mayel.space
2018-09-26T11:21:12.190883Z
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While most startups are focused on finding ever new "whats" and "for whos" (i.e. staking out as-yet unexploited niches), social innovation can involve rebuilding alternative versions of existing things from the ground up while rethinking their "ifs", "hows" and "whys" (eg. the fediverse). So while "move fast and break things" may be the most "efficient" approach for capitalist projects to find what they call "product/market fit", what would be the most "effective" approach for those who put humans above profit?
(DIR) Post #286197 by tethre@cybre.space
2018-09-29T15:04:50Z
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@mayel Move slow enough, so nobody is left behind.Only break things if everybody agrees that it's for the better.
(DIR) Post #286205 by uranther@cybre.space
2018-09-29T15:08:14Z
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@mayel @tethre "Move slow and make things."Also, "Make haste slowly" ("Festina lente")
(DIR) Post #286335 by tethre@cybre.space
2018-09-29T15:22:14Z
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@uranther @mayel "Move slow, and make things" is so much better!!!
(DIR) Post #286356 by uranther@cybre.space
2018-09-29T15:22:55Z
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@tethre @mayel I must give credit to fedi for that one. I would have to dig up the toot somehow to find the author...
(DIR) Post #286383 by mayel@pub.mayel.space
2018-09-29T15:23:00.273571Z
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@tethre @uranther Yeah! also "make things with intention"
(DIR) Post #286384 by uranther@cybre.space
2018-09-29T15:24:18Z
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@mayel @tethre I think the big differentiator for us is building with a social mission/purpose. I dare say everything else is unethical.
(DIR) Post #287479 by Zuph@octodon.social
2018-09-29T16:29:58Z
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@mayel @tethre @uranther I really like "Move slowly and fix things" as a mantra!
(DIR) Post #287480 by Zuph@octodon.social
2018-09-29T16:40:38Z
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@mayel @tethre @uranther I really like this as a mantra for giving one's self permission to not be super productive, too.In programming terms, it's okay to not have a prototype done in a weekend (built on gigabytes of libraries and spinning up 12 VMs and a browser), especially if you've got to hold down a full time job to survive.Less Erlich Bachman, more Tarn Adams.
(DIR) Post #287993 by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
2018-09-29T17:49:58.726585Z
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@Zuph @uranther @tethre @mayel > 12 vms > gigabytes of libraries🤮🤮🤮what happened to making small, simple things with small amounts of code? giant programs aren't accessible to anyone. code is the problem, the solution is having less, not more.
(DIR) Post #288218 by MatejLach@social.matej-lach.me
2018-09-29T18:15:05Z
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@uranther @mayel @tethre Yeah, that's what I'm doing. With emphasis on the slow, it's been going really slow for my side projects actually 😃
(DIR) Post #288555 by ddr@mastodon.sergal.org
2018-09-29T18:31:00Z
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@xj91) dependencies suck2) A VM is sort of the ultimate encapsulation.3) It's easier to pull in too much than too little.4) Web sites are actually hard if you want to make them do stuff.It's all horrible.
(DIR) Post #288556 by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
2018-09-29T18:48:36.851407Z
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@ddr don't matter, you always need to deal with them IRLcontainers are better and much more lightweightgood is better than easyweb a shit. stop using it
(DIR) Post #289511 by endomain@hackers.town
2018-09-29T19:49:00Z
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@xj9@Zuph @uranther @tethre @mayelLet me bring you some hope from Strangeloop. Here is a system to synthesize trivial code from refinement type specifications. http://comcom.csail.mit.edu/comcom/#Synquid
(DIR) Post #291166 by phiofx@mastodon.partecipa.digital
2018-09-29T20:16:29Z
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@mayel don't give people tools, give them tools to make tools and let them run and do their own thing in freedomWe have a serious problem with digital being a super elitist affair that prevents the vast majority of people from participating in this new type of economyJust for kicks, which piece of software, of any period, domain or origin does actually enable a *regular* person to create a new service that is not already "preprogrammed"?
(DIR) Post #291167 by vfrmedia@social.tchncs.de
2018-09-29T21:32:46Z
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@phiofx @mayel The only thing that comes to mind are the BASIC interpreters supplied with computers from the 1970s to late 1990s - OK it does require /some/ coding skill, but BASIC isn't too difficult for any regular person who has reasonable maths and logic skills to start working with and with older computers it was "just there" (rather than having to install 10 other different packages or libraries like todays development environments).
(DIR) Post #291212 by veer66@toot.veer66.rocks
2018-09-29T22:10:06.897390Z
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@vfrmedia @mayel @phiofx Until peek and poke were needed, it was easy. ðŸ˜
(DIR) Post #291440 by phiofx@mastodon.partecipa.digital
2018-09-29T22:15:00Z
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@veer66 @vfrmedia @mayel ha ha peek and poke. Brings back some bits of rom long forgotten :-)
(DIR) Post #291441 by vfrmedia@social.tchncs.de
2018-09-29T22:20:38Z
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@phiofx @veer66 @mayel In the UK along with BBC Micro and Archimedes we had a very good dialect of BASIC (BBC BASIC) with had structured programming but an entire built in assembler (usually 6502 or ARM although versions existfor other processors).This made low level stuff not quite as painful (at least if you had a floppy disk rather than cassette for when things crashed)? (octet) and ! (32 bit word) were used instead of peek and poke, you could use them like C pointers..
(DIR) Post #291571 by phiofx@mastodon.partecipa.digital
2018-09-29T22:28:10Z
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@vfrmedia @veer66 @mayel BBC micro was home computer royalty. We plebs grew up with spectrum and rubber keys
(DIR) Post #291572 by vfrmedia@social.tchncs.de
2018-09-29T22:32:03Z
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@phiofx @veer66 @mayel in about 1989/90 I managed to buy second hand from a friend a ZX Spectrum with Interface 1/Microdrives, and used it as a Z80 assembler dev environment, had the whole thing mounted into an A4 boxfile with blocks of wood/plastic to support it and could take it in my school bag for sixth form (there were TV sets in study rooms I would use for a display). Alas I was a bit late in the day to be able to make a career from games and coding tutorials where thin on ground then >
(DIR) Post #291635 by veer66@toot.veer66.rocks
2018-09-29T22:37:15.573095Z
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@vfrmedia @mayel @phiofx My father bought ZX81 but I didn't know how to use it further than basic Basic. 😓 I wish I had more books.
(DIR) Post #291639 by vfrmedia@social.tchncs.de
2018-09-29T22:35:05Z
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@phiofx @veer66 @mayel back then coders didn't share their techniques like today, everyone was competing with one another (plus I had all the other pressures of school, growing up etc to cope with as well as trying to learn coding (and by the time I got to University I had part lost the desire as well as the profs (even in 1992!) not believing that there was any immediate future for graphics/multimedia..
(DIR) Post #291720 by veer66@toot.veer66.rocks
2018-09-29T22:41:13.417188Z
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@vfrmedia @mayel @phiofx I wish there were 8-bit Fediverse too. I felt like all of my friends use Famicom (NES). I couldn't talk to anyone about ZX81 and/or C64.
(DIR) Post #293560 by vfrmedia@social.tchncs.de
2018-09-29T22:52:39Z
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@veer66 @mayel @phiofx this is interesting to know as we didn't get the keyboard version in UK and comparatively few Japanese computers (I think there was very high tax duty on them, games consoles might have had less (probably to protect Acorn/Sinclair and other domestic manufacturers) - this changed some time in late 80s/early 90s as MSX started appearing here (but by this time the UK domestic industry had shrunk and PC clones were taking over anyway as home computers)