Post 2847431 by bob@soc.freedombone.net
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(DIR) Post #2828582 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2019-01-10T09:16:56Z
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Why we can’t regulate Google, etc:Because of useful idiots like @conservancy legitimising them by being sponsored by them.Me: Google is a surveillance capitalist that makes billions tracking and profiling you. They are a threat to our human rights and democracy. We just regulate them.Policymaker: you must be mistaken, they’re the good guys. Look, here they are allowed to sponsor CopyLeft Conf with the FSF logo displayed proudly next to theirs.
(DIR) Post #2828782 by stevenroose@fosstodon.org
2019-01-10T09:45:41Z
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@aral @conservancy Well, in this case, this is just totally false reasoning by the policymaker. He should not make any assumptions about a company based on the events they sponsor. Ever.
(DIR) Post #2828783 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2019-01-10T09:49:08Z
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@stevenroose @conservancy Not based on the events they sponsor. Based on the events/groups that will allow them to sponsor. HealthConf sponsored by Philip Morris. EnvironmentConf sponsored by Exxon Mobil., etc. If those events/groups have legitimacy, they end up legitimising those companies.
(DIR) Post #2830894 by bob@soc.freedombone.net
2019-01-10T11:24:49.735309Z
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@aral @conservancy Does this mean that Microsoft will be releasing Azure under AGPL ?
(DIR) Post #2830895 by Shamar@mastodon.social
2019-01-10T11:29:30Z
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@bob @aral @conservancy Indeed!Money have strings attached.
(DIR) Post #2830896 by yukiame@noagendasocial.com
2019-01-10T12:05:11Z
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@Shamar @bob @aral @conservancy i think that should lay open the concessions they have to make for Google etc - yes Transparency
(DIR) Post #2835612 by neoncipher@mastodon.social
2019-01-10T13:47:11Z
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Some of the foundations not only take Google's money, but also let Google dictate what to do. GNOME has this rule for the Board of Directors:"Keep confidential discussions private. This includes legal discussions or conversations with the Advisory Board." Google is in the "Advisory" Board.https://wiki.gnome.org/FoundationBoard@aral @conservancy @bob
(DIR) Post #2847425 by bob@soc.freedombone.net
2019-01-10T14:06:02.729937Z
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@neoncipher @conservancy @aral Does Google even use GNOME?
(DIR) Post #2847426 by neoncipher@mastodon.social
2019-01-10T14:39:56Z
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I don't think Google uses GNOME in any of their products.But GNOME Desktop has an option to integrate Google services into the desktop environment. For example automatic syncing user's GNOME calendar to their Google calendar. Also it can sync email, contacts, documents, photos and even printers. https://lifehacker.com/a-beginners-guide-to-the-gnome-desktop-1820890109Also, GNOME Desktop has native Google Drive integration.https://www.pcworld.com/article/2987962/operating-systems/gnome-318-lands-with-google-drive-integrated-firmware-updates-and-new-apps.html@bob @aral
(DIR) Post #2847427 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2019-01-10T14:57:05Z
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@neoncipher @bob FFS! (I’m sick of this crap. Seriously. Every stone you turn over, something new…)
(DIR) Post #2847428 by mathieu@mstdn.fr
2019-01-10T15:48:18Z
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@aral @neoncipher @bob well yeah, that's what you get when a company becomes big, rich and powerful enough: it puts its tentacles everywhere. It's just capitalism, nothing surprising here.Terrible, yes; but not surprising.
(DIR) Post #2847429 by brainblasted@social.libre.fi
2019-01-10T16:06:13.000153Z
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@mathieu @bob @neoncipher @aral it's also not like Google gets any special treatment in this - GNOME also supports IMAP/SMTP and free providers for other services as well, such as Nextcloud for contacts, files, calendar, and notes.The unfortunate truth is that if you want the average person using free software, that software will need to have the ability to connect to common services until we can make them less common.
(DIR) Post #2847430 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2019-01-10T16:10:22Z
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@brainblasted @neoncipher @mathieu @bob And, regardless of special treatment (which it gets), what GNOME is saying is that it is cool with surveillance capitalism and surveillance capitalists like Google, etc. (And it is.)
(DIR) Post #2847431 by bob@soc.freedombone.net
2019-01-10T16:16:36.065510Z
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@aral @mathieu @neoncipher @brainblasted One of the many tasks to be done is to shift the Overton window around the big tech companies and their domination of conferences. So I think some folks need to be attending these and then to give talks in which they publicly criticize the sponsors and bring into question whether their presence is desirable, even if they don't get invited back. Especially the influence of the tech companies on paid for advisory boards should be examined and shouldn't be opaque as it currently is.
(DIR) Post #2847432 by yukiame@noagendasocial.com
2019-01-10T23:06:04Z
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@bob @aral @neoncipher @mathieu @brainblasted this will be explosive Stuff on Fosdem and will lead to a lot of controversy; another reason why @bob should attend
(DIR) Post #2847511 by yukiame@noagendasocial.com
2019-01-10T23:09:40Z
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@bob @aral @neoncipher @mathieu @brainblasted whereas I learned from a reliable source of the Fosdem Orga that me fighting over years the booth of GsoC which is clearly an Recruiting tool for Google is tolerated because the University Libre Bosh wants their students to get a job
(DIR) Post #2847756 by bob@soc.freedombone.net
2019-01-10T23:14:02.956393Z
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@yukiame @brainblasted @mathieu @neoncipher @aral Yes, the politics of Free Software gets murky. GSoC is about the only remaining thing that Google does which is vaguely good (things like OMEMO came out of it), and people always need jobs.But in the long run I think it should be a goal to try to extricate ourselves from these murky relationships with giant companies whose agendas are almost certainly not well aligned.
(DIR) Post #2847757 by yukiame@noagendasocial.com
2019-01-10T23:18:52Z
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@bob @brainblasted @mathieu @neoncipher @aral the Recruiting Rules on Fosdem are very strict
(DIR) Post #2847885 by bob@soc.freedombone.net
2019-01-10T23:21:00.341572Z
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@yukiame @aral @neoncipher @mathieu @brainblasted Ah but I'm sure if a few extra beers are purchased the recruiting rules can be overlooked 😉
(DIR) Post #2847886 by yukiame@noagendasocial.com
2019-01-10T23:22:46Z
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@bob @aral @neoncipher @mathieu @brainblasted it shows that you have never been to Fosdem otherwise you wouldn't say that
(DIR) Post #2849029 by yukiame@noagendasocial.com
2019-01-11T00:09:15Z
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@neoncipher @bob @aral well this lifehacker article is certainly shit and shilling Googles services. That sounds very fishy to me and i think the Advisory board is superfluous and the Foundation board would be well advised to distance themself from Google or the user will distance themself from GNOME and that is their end.
(DIR) Post #2861816 by mjog@octodon.social
2019-01-11T03:49:57Z
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@brainblasted @aral @neoncipher @mathieu @bob Exactly. Not supporting Google's products simply means that people who use them will not use you app/desktop/whatever. Supporting proprietary services and libre services equally well provides a means for people to migrate from the former to the latter.
(DIR) Post #2861817 by neoncipher@mastodon.social
2019-01-11T10:25:51Z
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@mjog @aral @bob When I was using GNOME I could easily access my Gmail account from a browser. You don't need a standalone app for that. The reason why I stopped using GNOME is that it keeps pushing some hidden corporate agenda, using corporate money. I care about my privacy and freedom more that I care about interface usability because I know how dangerous surveillance capitalism is. Exploiting non-tech-savvy people who have no idea about how modern tracking works is a shame.#privacy
(DIR) Post #2861818 by yukiame@noagendasocial.com
2019-01-11T10:45:21Z
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@neoncipher i stopped using it because it is fucking unstable and freezes randomly.Now i will avoid it@mjog @aral @bob
(DIR) Post #2864519 by deejoe@mastodon.sdf.org
2019-01-11T11:10:19Z
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@bobI've commented on your use of youtube before.It's less I fault you or @neoncipher or @aral (Apple) for using these centralizing FAANG/GAFAM companies, especially if you're working to move people away from them. 1/2@mjog
(DIR) Post #2864520 by bob@soc.freedombone.net
2019-01-11T11:52:17.409761Z
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@deejoe @mjog @aral @neoncipher Moving away from YouTube is complicated by the copyright situation. It is possible to mirror a YouTube video or channel on PeerTube, but unless it's Creative Commons then there's legal liability to deal with. Google has a lot of lawyers to rebuff the vultures, but self-hosting non-CC content is a lot more risky.Another thing to remember is that after the p2p wars laws were introduced against "pirates". In the UK there was the now totally forgotten Digital Economy Act of 2010, rushed through because these things always are. It allows for copyright infringers to be disconnected from the internet either at the ISP level or just by cutting the cable. So far I don't think that law has been used, but it's there waiting for the appropriate moment of political expediency.
(DIR) Post #2865882 by inditoot@inditoot.com
2019-01-11T13:48:55Z
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@bob @aral @deejoe @neoncipher Need some Good People from piratesbay😬😬😬 and a Domain from njal.la or some P2P based Domain.
(DIR) Post #2873489 by z428@social.tchncs.de
2019-01-11T10:45:38Z
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@mjog Agree, but I think it's difficult. I don't mind GNOME supporting Google services (actually, I expect them to do so for reasons you outlined). What leaves me a bit more scared is the fact that apparently there's no real transparency in what Googles influence within the GNOME project actually is. Then again, how many SoftwareLibre projects would just fail if it wasn't for corporate money to somehow back them? SoftwareLibre has a funding issue.@brainblasted @aral @neoncipher @mathieu @bob
(DIR) Post #2873490 by z428@social.tchncs.de
2019-01-11T11:01:11Z
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@mjog ... we rather should focus on solving the funding issue, plus stop calling all these projects names and instead trying to (a) figure out *what* to recommend to an end-user who wants to have a *usable* computer setup free of #SurveillanceCapitalism money and (b) eventually make that happen by solving the funding issue. Just by blaming structures like GNOME depending upon Google money doesn't help here at all.@brainblasted @aral @neoncipher @mathieu @bob
(DIR) Post #3037335 by alcinnz@floss.social
2019-01-16T16:45:54Z
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@neoncipher @mjog @aral @bob I don't understand. I don't use GNOME's UIs much, but how do you see them "pushing a corporate agenda"?
(DIR) Post #3038446 by neoncipher@mastodon.social
2019-01-16T17:28:57Z
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@alcinnz @mjog @bob There was a long discussion about that 5 days ago:https://mastodon.social/@neoncipher/101392582692262828In short: GNOME has Google in their “Advisory board”. Their conversations are strictly private (GNOME has that as a rule). Google gives money and GNOME implements integration with Google services, refusing to include alternative privacy-friendly solutions. All that goes without any warning about privacy violations for the users.@aral mentioned it in his article:https://ar.al/2019/01/11/i-was-wrong-about-google-and-facebook-theres-nothing-wrong-with-them-so-say-we-all/
(DIR) Post #3038948 by alcinnz@floss.social
2019-01-16T17:46:47Z
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@neoncipher @mjog @bob @aral Yeah, I've seen that. I guess compared to what I see from Mac and Windows this is nothing, and passes by quickly once you've got everything set up.And the reasoning for not integrating Fastmail specifically is that they want to do something a bit more generic with it. Because they're one of the few eMail providers which implemented for allowing them to download these settings.If you want something more privacy protecting then that, it requires more effort.
(DIR) Post #3039994 by alcinnz@floss.social
2019-01-16T18:25:11Z
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@neoncipher @mjog @bob @aral Then again, I would prefer some more subtlety in how these services are integrated into the UI, so that integration doesn't become promotion.But I don't think it's because of Google's influence or a desire to push an agenda that we have this. If it was, GNOME Web would be very different.GNOME's simply trying to deliver what they think people expect.
(DIR) Post #3040244 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2019-01-16T18:35:03Z
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@alcinnz @neoncipher @mjog @bob Can we agree that GNOME does not think Google is harmful or they would not be on their advisory committee?Thus, can we agree that GNOME will not protect people from Google (because why would you protect people from a thing that isn’t harmful and is – moreover – advising you?)Can we agree that that is a problem?
(DIR) Post #3040908 by alcinnz@floss.social
2019-01-16T18:55:02Z
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@aral @neoncipher @mjog @bob I can agree that the GNOME foundation doesn't appear to see Google as (at least too much) of a problem. Though I hear they really don't have that much off an influence over their projects.And that I prefer an approach of using standards to improve your experience BEFORE you resort to integrations. Let that heavily influence your designs. But I won't vilify anyone for doing otherwise.
(DIR) Post #3041151 by brainblasted@social.libre.fi
2019-01-16T19:00:16.159384Z
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@aral @bob @mjog @neoncipher @alcinnz Aral, GNOME is not the GNOME Foundation. The GNOME Foundation is disconnected from every day development on GNOME, and it does not represent the views of every contributor to GNOME.Many people working on GNOME are vehemently against surveillance capitalism - that's why a lot of us are working on it: to provide an alternative platform to those created by surveillance capitalists. It is a problem that the Foundation receives money from Google, but it certainly doesn't mean that we don't care.
(DIR) Post #3041455 by alana@the.giant.horse
2019-01-16T19:12:35Z
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@brainblasted @alcinnz @aral @neoncipher @mjog @bob sorry for all the @‘s; this has been bothering me.1. services (e.g. hosting) cost money2. contributors to OSS should be paid3. many horrible corporations are built on top of OSS4. these corporations are told they “owe” the OSS projects they’ve leveraged5. some of them write checks to “support” the thing that helped them generate profit6. if the OSS project takes the money, their morals have been compromisedhow does this make sense?
(DIR) Post #3041944 by djoerd@mastodon.social
2019-01-10T18:32:06Z
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@brainblasted @aral @neoncipher @mathieu @bob But... that IS special treatment! Google should support open standards like IMAP to get the general free open software treatment like the rest of us.
(DIR) Post #3041945 by brainblasted@social.libre.fi
2019-01-10T18:58:13.214456Z
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@djoerd @bob @mathieu @neoncipher @aral sure, they absolutely should. But for now they don't, and users complain if they can't access GMail (the current largest email provider).
(DIR) Post #3041946 by djoerd@mastodon.social
2019-01-10T19:05:22Z
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@brainblasted @mathieu @aral @neoncipher @bob Really? But.. everyone can access Gmail in the browser. When I still used Gmail, I had a Gnome desktop entry like this:[Desktop Entry]Version=1.0Terminal=falseType=ApplicationName=GmailExec=/usr/bin/chromium-browser --app=https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0 --user-data-dir=.config/chromium-gmailIcon=gmailStartupWMClass=mail.google.com__mail_u_0
(DIR) Post #3041947 by brainblasted@social.libre.fi
2019-01-10T19:06:38.972313Z
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@djoerd @bob @neoncipher @aral @mathieu not everyone wants to use a web client. For those people, because GMail makes up a majority of email accounts, a native client needs to support GMail.
(DIR) Post #3044379 by Shamar@mastodon.social
2019-01-16T20:56:15Z
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@alana @brainblasted @alcinnz @neoncipher @mjog @bob You didn't mention me, so feel free to ignore me if you were looking for their answer.To me this is neither a #Moral issue nor an #Ethical one, it's entirely matter of #Technology and thus #Politics.Like @aral I care about transparency and I don't like their legitimation, but what really scares me is when I see #OSS projects who are subdued.1/
(DIR) Post #3044380 by Shamar@mastodon.social
2019-01-16T21:02:35Z
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@alana @brainblasted @alcinnz @neoncipher @mjog @bob @aral I don't give a shit about what developers feel in the secret of their hearts.I care about what their code does and what their code enables or incentives.I think #Mozilla is the best possible example.It's not matter of the default search engine: they leave users vulnerable to #JS attacks to support their sponsors' business models.2/
(DIR) Post #3044381 by Shamar@mastodon.social
2019-01-16T21:11:37Z
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@alana @brainblasted @alcinnz @neoncipher @mjog @bob @aral To me it's fine if the #GNOME MUA integrates with #Gmail IMAP, as long as during configuration it clearly inform the users about the risk for their #privacy and suggests to change provider.If it integrates with #GoogleDrive and explain the users that each photo they upload will be used for #FaceRecognition asking confirm, I'm fine with it.
(DIR) Post #3044775 by alana@the.giant.horse
2019-01-16T21:08:02Z
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@Shamar @brainblasted @alcinnz @neoncipher @mjog @bob @aral we need a way to reliably fund OSS that isnt pity payments from corporations. much thought has been given to that (see the list at https://github.com/nayafia/lemonade-stand). github also hosted a meeting related to the topic which has a forum: https://discourse.sustainoss.org/ . i would also caution against assuming a board or advisory seat = a great deal of influence. not only are there bylaws etc, their competitors are sitting at the same table.
(DIR) Post #3044776 by alana@the.giant.horse
2019-01-16T21:10:58Z
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@Shamar @brainblasted @alcinnz @neoncipher @mjog @bob @aral (don’t get me wrong: i don’t like the current way of doing things at all. i just have a little bit of insight from seeing the way the linux foundation works with its OSS projects.)
(DIR) Post #3044777 by Shamar@mastodon.social
2019-01-16T21:18:07Z
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@alana @brainblasted @alcinnz @neoncipher @mjog @bob @aral I don't like what I see from #LinuxFoundation.Not even a little bit.I think we have lost Linux, to be honest.Do you have a better perspective to share?
(DIR) Post #3044778 by alcinnz@floss.social
2019-01-16T21:21:36Z
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@Shamar @alana @brainblasted @neoncipher @mjog @bob @aral I haven't been following The Linux Foundation (or most others foundations TBH), but for the Linux kernel last I studied it I'm quite happy with.It does a great job making sure all our hardware just works, and any privacy concerns would be due to misconfiguration that typically doesn't occur.
(DIR) Post #3044848 by bob@soc.freedombone.net
2019-01-16T21:23:12.154323Z
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@alcinnz @aral @mjog @neoncipher @brainblasted @alana @Shamar There are much bigger kernel level privacy issues coming if Fuchsia starts shipping.
(DIR) Post #3044849 by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
2019-01-16T21:23:55.799516Z
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@bob @alcinnz @aral @mjog @neoncipher @brainblasted @alana @Shamar end linux, use seL4
(DIR) Post #3045056 by alcinnz@floss.social
2019-01-16T21:30:40Z
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@xj9 @bob @aral @mjog @neoncipher @brainblasted @alana @ShamarPersonally I'm happy to continue using the Linux kernel as long as my favourite operating system (even if that's no longer elementary OS) still likes it. As long as they don't enable the network file systems by default, they can be extremely useful if they're opt-in.
(DIR) Post #3045428 by neoncipher@mastodon.social
2019-01-16T21:20:27Z
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@alana We all had that insight when we saw the Linux Foundation president used MacOS for the presentation at the Open Source Summit. Hypocrisy among open source foundations is off the scale.@brainblasted @alcinnz @mjog @bob @aral #Linux #opensource
(DIR) Post #3045429 by alana@the.giant.horse
2019-01-16T21:24:27Z
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@neoncipher @brainblasted @alcinnz @mjog @bob @aral 😂 ha; well — why should he use anything but what he likes? if your priority is demonstrating the linux desktop’s consumer viability, plugging into various hotels’ AV systems would backfire badly.
(DIR) Post #3045430 by neoncipher@mastodon.social
2019-01-16T21:41:32Z
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Okay, #fediverse , please raise hands who can help the Linux Foundation president handle a Linux-operated laptop at the open source summit. Some people here think it’s impossible and he should use MacOS.@alana @brainblasted @alcinnz @mjog @bob @aral #Linux #opensource
(DIR) Post #3045470 by alcinnz@floss.social
2019-01-16T21:44:49Z
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@neoncipher @alana @brainblasted @mjog @bob @aralShould he be willing, I think I could.I find that's the big problem, with people being willing to make a switch.
(DIR) Post #3045547 by alana@the.giant.horse
2019-01-16T21:46:46Z
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@neoncipher @brainblasted @alcinnz @mjog @bob @aral quick note, you can only respond if you actually have any experience with hotel AV systems; otherwise your perspective is just wishful thinking 😂
(DIR) Post #3045548 by alcinnz@floss.social
2019-01-16T21:48:03Z
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@alana @neoncipher @brainblasted @mjog @bob @aral I don't understand, where does the comment of hotel AV systems come from? What exactly is the issue?
(DIR) Post #3045575 by alana@the.giant.horse
2019-01-16T21:49:15Z
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@alcinnz @neoncipher @brainblasted @mjog @bob @aral folks, it’s not an issue of teaching grampy zemlin to use the linux; its an issue of being able to plug into that jack on the podium and have your presentation come up on the overhead looking how you’d expect it to look. even windows can scarcely manage to do that.. there’s a whole bunch of users like that who just buy macs. who cares, honestly
(DIR) Post #3045629 by alcinnz@floss.social
2019-01-16T21:50:48Z
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@alana @neoncipher @brainblasted @mjog @bob @aral Ah. I see, I was thinking "AntiVirus" not "Audio/Visual".
(DIR) Post #3045775 by alana@the.giant.horse
2019-01-16T21:55:41Z
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@alcinnz @neoncipher @brainblasted @mjog @bob @aral oh lord, thankfully no. it’s the hell of their audio visual setups, and the technicians who they assign to your event, and so on. it’s miserable and, since it’s the LF CEO’s main requirement, i think him not using linux is not so important. if i made a pie chart of the types of people i think the linux desktop should target as users, jet-setting executives who do a lot of public speaking wouldn’t really be a significant group
(DIR) Post #3045860 by Shamar@mastodon.social
2019-01-16T21:59:17Z
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@alcinnz @xj9 @bob @aral @mjog @neoncipher @brainblasted @alana I don't know if #seL4 will take off.I should definitely give it a new read and a try.Honestly, I could even consider to port Jehanne to it... but cmake put me off... and Camkes sounds very complicated to setup.Yeah, #Fuchsia is much worse from a #freedom point of view: privacy is going to be for the rich.
(DIR) Post #3046621 by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
2019-01-16T22:26:17.468928Z
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@Shamar @alana @brainblasted @neoncipher @mjog @aral @bob @alcinnz not a fan of cmake myself but formal verification is hard to paas on imo
(DIR) Post #3047086 by mjog@octodon.social
2019-01-16T22:39:09Z
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@aral @alcinnz @neoncipher @bob Aral, since I'm not even a GNOME Foundation member, and since Geary is not even a GNOME project, and since the GNOME board has precisely zero input Geary's development, and since I agree with you that Google is actively harmful, and yet you keep on using Geary as your whipping boy, would you at least have the courtesy to take me off this thread where you continue to pretend all of the opposite? Thanks
(DIR) Post #3047607 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2019-01-16T21:50:17Z
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@brainblasted @alcinnz @neoncipher @mjog @bob That’s great to hear. What efforts are underway in the community to pressure the GNOME Foundation to drop Google from the advisory committee?
(DIR) Post #3047608 by ebassi@mastodon.social
2019-01-16T22:59:33Z
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@aral @brainblasted @alcinnz @neoncipher @mjog @bob You seem to not understand the role of the Advisory Board; the AB has no bearing on the working of the Foundation or the community. They are there to let us know how they use GNOME, since they donate money to the Foundation, which the Foundation then uses to sponsor events like hackfests. The donations are done without any expectation of a return (and they are so small that they could qualify as pocket money)
(DIR) Post #3047678 by popefucker@cybre.space
2019-01-16T23:01:41Z
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@neoncipher @alana @brainblasted @alcinnz @mjog @bob @aral install lxrandrplug in thingrun lxrandrit works.This has never failed me in my life.
(DIR) Post #3047773 by brainblasted@social.libre.fi
2019-01-16T23:02:29.830093Z
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@popefucker @aral @bob @mjog @alcinnz @alana @neoncipher still not as simple as:• Plug in thing
(DIR) Post #3047774 by popefucker@cybre.space
2019-01-16T23:03:15Z
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@brainblasted @aral @alana @neoncipher @mjog @bob @alcinnz oh no, I have to make an active choice to do something! THE HORROR!
(DIR) Post #3047775 by nightpool@cybre.space
2019-01-16T23:06:10Z
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@popefucker don't be an asshole
(DIR) Post #3047783 by jalcine@playvicious.social
2019-01-16T23:06:15Z
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@alana @neoncipher @brainblasted @alcinnz @mjog @bob @aral I do presentations like once a quarter with my Linux laptops with no issues (I usually bring a dongle for DVI but now I'm on USB-C/HDMI and a DVI fallback). I feel like it's really on devices to be more friendly/open
(DIR) Post #3049772 by ramsey@phpc.social
2019-01-17T00:42:55Z
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@jalcine @alana @neoncipher @brainblasted @alcinnz @mjog @bob @aral At least he was using a Unix system licensed under the BSD?
(DIR) Post #3049935 by ramsey@phpc.social
2019-01-17T00:51:22Z
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@jalcine @alana @neoncipher @brainblasted @alcinnz @mjog @bob @aral Just looked it up to verify myself; I thought Darwin is BSD-licensed, but I was wrong. It’s under the Apple Public Source License. It is FSF and OSI approved, though. 😀
(DIR) Post #3050024 by alcinnz@floss.social
2019-01-17T00:56:39Z
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@popefucker @neoncipher @alana @brainblasted @mjog @bob @aralThis leads me to think that the lxrandr code should become part of Linux. Or maybe XOrg, I don't know.On a related note: I wonder if Wayland makes these AV peripherals work better or worse in general?
(DIR) Post #3050175 by brainblasted@social.libre.fi
2019-01-17T01:04:32.193325Z
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@alcinnz @aral @bob @mjog @alana @neoncipher @popefucker in my experience, much better - I plug my device in and it works.
(DIR) Post #3051254 by popefucker@cybre.space
2019-01-17T02:08:13Z
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@alcinnz @neoncipher @alana @brainblasted @mjog @bob @aral randr is already part of Xorg. lxrandr is just lxde's frontend for it.
(DIR) Post #3051342 by popefucker@cybre.space
2019-01-17T02:09:35Z
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@alcinnz @neoncipher @alana @brainblasted @mjog @bob @aral I think if you run lxde it opens whenever you plug something in, too
(DIR) Post #3051343 by alcinnz@floss.social
2019-01-17T02:12:13Z
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@popefucker @neoncipher @alana @brainblasted @mjog @bob @aral Cool! I didn't know what that command was.I was just thinking that if it tends to fix the problems, it should be just part of the computer's process for connecting a new display. Which you're saying to some extent it is.
(DIR) Post #3051396 by popefucker@cybre.space
2019-01-17T02:15:14Z
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@alcinnz @neoncipher @alana @brainblasted @mjog @bob @aral yeah the (worst and best) thing about linux is that there are widely varying configurations. My system is totally different from your system, and a lot of the times stuff that works on one linux installation won't work on another for a variety of reasons.It's nice for those of us who like to tinker but sucks for people who just want to install the OS and use it. Then you get Ubuntu and whatnot, which are nice but don't always have what you want.
(DIR) Post #3051459 by alcinnz@floss.social
2019-01-17T02:18:53Z
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@popefucker @neoncipher @alana @brainblasted @mjog @bob @aral Personally I don't like to refer to it as a singular OS, for pretty much that reason.Drop "Linux" (or "GNU/Linux") from the names of all the distros that have it. Drop the expectation that they are configured in pretty much the same way.Because to most people they look widley different, and impressions shouldn't transfer.
(DIR) Post #3051611 by popefucker@cybre.space
2019-01-17T02:26:49Z
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@alcinnz @neoncipher @alana @brainblasted @mjog @bob @aral well, to be fair they are running linux, and most of then are also running GNU coreutils and systemd, which for anything *not* user-facing is like 50% of all configuration you need to know right there
(DIR) Post #3051672 by popefucker@cybre.space
2019-01-17T02:25:55Z
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@alcinnz @neoncipher @alana @brainblasted @mjog @bob @aral also, a lot of the user-facing stuff(GNOME, KDE, Ubuntu's thing) kinda suck in my opinion... they try to be all integrated like Mac OS but that's not the Unix Way, it makes more sense to work on the core(which should be Wayland, various userspace libs) and have the user-facing stuff just sit on top of that.
(DIR) Post #3051673 by alcinnz@floss.social
2019-01-17T02:30:06Z
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@popefucker @neoncipher @alana @brainblasted @mjog @bob @aral At least for my desktop (I don't know about the others), I have to half agree with you.elementary OS is extremely well integrated, but that doesn't mean it's not loosely coupled. If I wanted to I could replace pretty much any piece of their UI (including parts of the desktop itself) with something else.
(DIR) Post #3051752 by popefucker@cybre.space
2019-01-17T02:34:05Z
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@alcinnz @neoncipher @alana @brainblasted @mjog @bob @aral well they're all like that, but for instance I'm using the GNOME wayland shell right now and that means I'm stuck using GNOME's wayland extensions for literally anything.(also a gripe: Wayland is way too conservative)
(DIR) Post #3058900 by 0xD@chaos.social
2019-01-10T11:17:32Z
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@aral @conservancy If the world would be black and white only, there still is a difference between them. Taking Googles money can lead to institutional corruption, yes. Definitely can. And:This needs two!Why not assume integrity on #sfconservancy.org's side?
(DIR) Post #3058901 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2019-01-10T13:28:56Z
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@0xD @conservancy For the same reason I wouldn’t trust Greenpeace on the environment if it was sponsored by Exxon Mobil or, for that reason, why I don’t trust Mozilla on privacy and human rights when they get hundreds of millions of dollars from Google and other surveillance capitalists.Integrity isn’t something you assume about an organisation, it’s something they demonstrate by not engaging in bullshit like this.