Post 2816265 by nerthos@shitposter.club
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(DIR) Post #2812550 by nerthos@shitposter.club
2019-01-09T22:07:58.688840Z
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Gargron is not the true enemy of the fediverse. Kaniini is.
(DIR) Post #2812593 by lucy@netzsphaere.xyz
2019-01-09T22:10:16.756612Z
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@nerthos what happened?
(DIR) Post #2812610 by nerthos@shitposter.club
2019-01-09T22:10:19.801245Z
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@lucy https://gameliberty.club/system/media_attachments/files/000/144/396/original/e847a5c39c1f63ac.png
(DIR) Post #2812802 by lucy@netzsphaere.xyz
2019-01-09T22:16:55.796533Z
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@nerthos it's public information, what's the problem?
(DIR) Post #2812889 by nerthos@shitposter.club
2019-01-09T22:20:51.568312Z
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@lucy That the guy's gathering that information and actively calling ISPs and the like to attempt to deplatform someone over a joke he didn't like.The fediverse is about decentralization, you don't like an instance you just don't talk to them. This guy is going against that basic principle. That he's anywhere near involved with fedi is unacceptable.Gargron just breaks protocols, what this guy is doing is much worse.
(DIR) Post #2813620 by 7even@pleroma.soykaf.com
2019-01-09T22:50:36.175774Z
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@nerthos the dude likes playing the biased fediverse cop role way too much
(DIR) Post #2813657 by nerthos@shitposter.club
2019-01-09T22:51:28.097986Z
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@7even And having fediverse cops at all is completely unacceptable.
(DIR) Post #2813762 by zemichi@pl.smuglo.li
2019-01-09T22:55:43.321837Z
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@7even @nerthos he tried to do the same with smug a while back. Though nothing came of it.I called him out on doing it many times.
(DIR) Post #2813774 by roka@pl.smuglo.li
2019-01-09T22:56:19.040781Z
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@zemichi @7even @nerthos wasn't that folk?
(DIR) Post #2813815 by zemichi@pl.smuglo.li
2019-01-09T22:57:35.414102Z
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@roka @7even @nerthos no the rabbit told others he would attempt to police smug when we switched to pleroma.
(DIR) Post #2813849 by roka@pl.smuglo.li
2019-01-09T22:58:37.485360Z
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@zemichi @7even @nerthos hah, really? holy shit wwhibikek-smug_natsuki2.png
(DIR) Post #2814233 by dude@take.iteasy.club
2019-01-09T23:13:15.437092Z
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@zemichi waitwut? He was behind that bullshit too? @roka @7even @nerthos
(DIR) Post #2814418 by zemichi@pl.smuglo.li
2019-01-09T23:19:13.977186Z
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@roka @7even @nerthos he gave me the the whole "well if you do this I'll stop calling smug this" that everybody who censors says.
(DIR) Post #2814429 by zemichi@pl.smuglo.li
2019-01-09T23:19:45.044674Z
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@dude @roka @7even @nerthos not with folk, this was when smug moved to pleroma
(DIR) Post #2814435 by roka@pl.smuglo.li
2019-01-09T23:20:01.081201Z
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@zemichi @7even @nerthos did you reply with smug loli pictures and/or traps?76edb2db8f25d11ee6422811e1b48db…
(DIR) Post #2814448 by dude@take.iteasy.club
2019-01-09T23:20:27.803803Z
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@zemichi it's happened twice since the move? @roka @7even @nerthos
(DIR) Post #2814479 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-01-09T23:21:04.772086Z
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@roka @zemichi @7even @nerthos no, i did not.
(DIR) Post #2814541 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-01-09T23:22:42.275227Z
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@nerthos @lucy i was talking to Telia about other concerns already. i brought it to their attention as a TOS violation in case they wanted to pursue it. you vastly overstate my involvement.
(DIR) Post #2814543 by zemichi@pl.smuglo.li
2019-01-09T23:23:14.706602Z
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@roka @7even @nerthos this was before trap posting
(DIR) Post #2814559 by orekix@pl.smuglo.li
2019-01-09T23:23:49.592529Z
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@zemichi lol he literally told sjw to stay on "elephantsite" and not move to pleroma https://shigusegubu.club/notice/9966470 @dude @roka @7even @nerthos
(DIR) Post #2814586 by zemichi@pl.smuglo.li
2019-01-09T23:24:54.707975Z
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@kaniini @roka @7even @nerthos yeahDon't know why you'd lie about it at this point.
(DIR) Post #2814590 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-01-09T23:24:34.014219Z
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@7even @nerthos i really don't. generally speaking, i don't care about what other instances do. matrix pisses me off because he shitposts about hitler all the fucking time. i do believe i am allowed to have people i dislike, much as you are allowed to dislike me.
(DIR) Post #2814596 by roka@pl.smuglo.li
2019-01-09T23:25:41.220961Z
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@zemichi @kaniini @7even @nerthos i'm confuse now5f8d8930b2c81fa883c1b196753da51…
(DIR) Post #2814620 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-01-09T23:26:00.693734Z
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@dude @zemichi @roka @7even @nerthos i was not. i have little interest in what smug does. in fact, i had smug blocked for a long time and unblocked them with filtering after some people convinced me to unblock them. that is the entirety of my history with smug.
(DIR) Post #2814624 by nerthos@shitposter.club
2019-01-09T23:25:49.683849Z
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@kaniini @lucy Regardless, you're playing internet police on a project that has the stated goal of allowing people to communicate without fear of this kind of censorship. It would just be dickish if you were unrelated to the project, but being involved this is, as I said earlier, like having mengele on the human rights committee.
(DIR) Post #2814653 by shit@pl.smuglo.li
2019-01-09T23:27:46.472822Z
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@kaniini @dude @zemichi @roka @7even @nerthos red hot bloody diahrea84px-Nigra_goatse.jpg
(DIR) Post #2814666 by dude@take.iteasy.club
2019-01-09T23:28:17.637102Z
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@kaniini okay. I'm just trying to get my head around everything happening atm. I wasn't been around much the last year because I got fed up w/ the Mastodon drama. @zemichi @roka @7even @nerthos
(DIR) Post #2814668 by nerthos@shitposter.club
2019-01-09T23:27:50.408779Z
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@shit @kaniini @dude @zemichi @roka @7even If you're going to post that shit untag me first.
(DIR) Post #2814689 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-01-09T23:29:14.011877Z
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@nerthos @lucy i'm like mengele because i believe that there is no place for hate speech on the fediverse? duly noted.
(DIR) Post #2814737 by nepfag@pl.smuglo.li
2019-01-09T23:31:32.111912Z
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@shit @kaniini @dude @zemichi @roka @7even @nerthos Shit nigger don't post that.The one and -only reason @kaniini has to have me unblocked is that we are the most active Pleroma instance. SPC has more posts, but they were all made on GNU Social. So if things break on smug, and they often do, he wants to know, and I want to tell him about it. So neither of us block each opther even though we like different things.
(DIR) Post #2814753 by roka@pl.smuglo.li
2019-01-09T23:32:11.611444Z
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@nerthos @shit @kaniini @dude @zemichi @7even train your endurance with the pain series a bit more, I supposenekokrulowa.png
(DIR) Post #2814754 by nerthos@shitposter.club
2019-01-09T23:31:35.520306Z
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@kaniini @lucy The comparison is that mengele has as much moral authority to participate in a committee on human rights as someone who reports people they don't like to ISPs has on a project that claims to empower people to communicate freely.If what matrix did is "hate speech" then those two words mean simply "any joke I don't like", and by extension your stance is "there is no place in the fediverse for jokes I don't like"
(DIR) Post #2814776 by zemichi@pl.smuglo.li
2019-01-09T23:33:03.150439Z
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@roka @kaniini @7even @nerthos wish I had proofs but this was a while back and searching isn't easy.It's one of the main reasons I kept an eye on the rabbit.
(DIR) Post #2814810 by nerthos@shitposter.club
2019-01-09T23:33:35.927078Z
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@roka It doesn't affect me or anything but it's not aesthetically pleasing and there's no point in sending it to me.
(DIR) Post #2814843 by roka@pl.smuglo.li
2019-01-09T23:35:30.948662Z
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@nerthos @shit @kaniini @dude @zemichi @7even train your endurance the pain series a bit more, I suppose6221a3ccdca8650bff9aebf90c5a830…
(DIR) Post #2814868 by dude@take.iteasy.club
2019-01-09T23:36:05.716792Z
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@nepfag I'm pretty much on the same page (except flying solo instead of running a busy instance). Hell I'm even running this account as SFW and drama free as I can. @kaniini could you ping me once this shitshow is over if it's not too much trouble? I'd like to refollow but don't care to watch what's currently taking place.
(DIR) Post #2814918 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-01-09T23:36:58.979078Z
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@nepfag @dude @zemichi @roka @7even @nerthos it's not really even that: usually folks on smug take it easy, and usually i am taking it easy. i would say in most cases, today is just a stressful day for everyone involved, and i encourage everyone to move toward deescalation.i don't *really* care about matrix, or his main instance. activism concerning the gasthe.lgbt instance is done on my own time, but i think everything has been said that can possibly be said about that instance by this point.so i think we should just deescalate and take things easy.
(DIR) Post #2814919 by lucy@netzsphaere.xyz
2019-01-09T23:37:26.263576Z
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@kaniini @nerthos why don't you just block them out of your instance when you don't like what they post?
(DIR) Post #2814924 by nerthos@shitposter.club
2019-01-09T23:36:58.289496Z
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@kaniini @lucy Plus if you were actually going after hate speech you'd be reporting killeveryhetero@jorts and basically everyone on any of the witch themed instances, just to give an example of places with -actual- unironic hate speech. In that case I could accept it as an actual concern about violence.You're going after matrix's shitposts though.
(DIR) Post #2814961 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-01-09T23:38:19.583542Z
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@nerthos @lucy i have reported ancom hate posts too. our moderation team gets shit on from all sides of the political spectrum. i can share some of the hate mail we receive if you like.
(DIR) Post #2814992 by sjw@feminism.lgbt
2019-01-09T23:40:06Z
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@kaniini @nepfag @roka @zemichi @7even @nerthos @dude I'm with you on that. Take it easy.
(DIR) Post #2814994 by nerthos@shitposter.club
2019-01-09T23:39:30.759059Z
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@kaniini @lucy Go ahead. If there's anything that could deescalate this even a bit is a display of relative impartiality.My point about cyberpolice on fedi being anathema to the spirit of the project stands though.
(DIR) Post #2815008 by dude@take.iteasy.club
2019-01-09T23:40:30.452782Z
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@kaniini agreed, I've been trying to deescalate as well. Shit happens, lets move on and most definetly TAKE IT EASY =D @nepfag @zemichi @roka @7even @nerthos
(DIR) Post #2815038 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-01-09T23:40:55.168546Z
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@lucy @nerthos that is our standard procedure, in this case i decided to get involved with the discourse a little more than usual, because i don't like matrix's style of punching down instead of punching up. anyway, i'm done with it.
(DIR) Post #2815063 by roka@pl.smuglo.li
2019-01-09T23:42:08.599451Z
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@kaniini @nepfag @dude @zemichi @7even @nerthos eh, the one thing I took from this seriously is that I just don't want to see masadong trying to make fediverse a „«Nazi»-free social network” like gargamel intended with use of of deplatforming tactics like that.Your performance did come close to what could be called an „internet tough guy” though. The comparison to Navy seal pasta was apt imo.あほくさ.png
(DIR) Post #2815072 by sjw@feminism.lgbt
2019-01-09T23:42:15Z
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@dude @7even @kaniini @roka @nerthos @nepfag @zemichi https://youtu.be/1Ugq1Mgofr4
(DIR) Post #2815099 by zemichi@pl.smuglo.li
2019-01-09T23:43:32.075693Z
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@kaniini @nepfag @dude @roka @7even @nerthos I'd deescalate but you also said this which is hard to deescalate from How do you promote pleroma to people when there is a constant threat of being policed?Screenshot_20190109-164031.png…
(DIR) Post #2815120 by lucy@netzsphaere.xyz
2019-01-09T23:44:18.591514Z
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@kaniini @nerthos you're done with it? you started drama but won't explain to deescalate it? I haven't heard the whole story yet, is it just some posts or more? (you mentioned emails)
(DIR) Post #2815152 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-01-09T23:44:31.714336Z
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@nerthos @lucy sure. an example would be the huge fight we got in with kitty.town, but they wound up blocking us before we blocked them.there's quite a few users who have been deactivated on jorts.horse, killeveryhetero I believe being one of them.anyone who advocates violence toward anyone else on the regular, for any reason, is blocked somehow from this instance if we see it.
(DIR) Post #2815268 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-01-09T23:47:53.065713Z
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@lucy @nerthos basically matrix's latest shitpost was to make an instance, gasthe.lgbt (e.g. "gas the LGBT").a lot of people were upset about this, so i decided to provide some information and discuss with a mutual supplier (Telia) between his ISP and mine, to see if they could assist with getting his ISP to be aware of the problem.that's it, that's all. it is honestly boring.
(DIR) Post #2815809 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-01-10T00:04:05.296697Z
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@nerthos @lucy As for cyberpolice on fedi, I agree and don't like the mobs and so on, I regret joining the discourse in this particular instance, but matrix's frequent shitposting about hitler doing nothing wrong hits home for me.
(DIR) Post #2815858 by nerthos@shitposter.club
2019-01-10T00:05:42.874996Z
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@kaniini @lucy Go right ahead and call the cops if matrix decides to kidnap a jewish family and execute them, no one will complain. But what you did today was take a sledgehammer to pleroma's credibility.
(DIR) Post #2816003 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-01-10T00:08:57.723427Z
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@nerthos @lucy I agree that involving myself in the discourse was harmful in that regard, but that's the problem with being very passionate about helping people who have been punched down on their entire lives.I was very transparent about being passionate about helping marginalized people when I joined Pleroma development to begin with.
(DIR) Post #2816265 by nerthos@shitposter.club
2019-01-10T00:18:35.752121Z
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@kaniini Judging people on the basis of the groups they "belong" to is always harmful in the long run, and punching "up" or "down" are both just punching. That kind of thing is exactly the reason matrix decided to go for the gasthe lgbt name in the first place. I'm 100% sure that without that kind of thought being popular, he would have never found it funny in the first place.If you want to "help marginalized people" help them integrate rather than further isolate from the rest and show people that making a joke aimed at some group will get them this kind of trouble. When you do that you create the image that the group you're trying to protect is the group that is "up" and therefore an attack on that group is an attack on the powers that be, and thus a virtuous endeavour in the quest for freedom. Because really, the main criteria by which a group can be considered "marginalized" is that they hold no say or power. If insulting them gets you kicked off somewhere, it means they're not marginalized, they're the elite. And culturally going against the elite is considered heroic.
(DIR) Post #2816313 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-01-10T00:20:39.589773Z
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@nerthos well, really, i would prefer a fediverse without punching at all. a fediverse where people don't make jokes at the expense of others.
(DIR) Post #2816449 by nerthos@shitposter.club
2019-01-10T00:25:53.775741Z
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@kaniini TBH if you want that at this point the only way to go is to kick out these groups that marginalize themselves and get mad at any joke to go back to pre-mastodon fedi, when there was little actual hatred between groups. We both know that's not happening and any attempt to say "okay that's enough, we want our old fedi back" will be met with the loudest yelling of "nazi nazi nazi" in fediverse history.
(DIR) Post #2816486 by sim@shitposter.club
2019-01-10T00:27:35.754774Z
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@kaniini @nerthos You admit yourself that matrix was just shitposting. For his own amusement. I think I would rather see someone shitposting with such domain names than someone who really believes it take it. Turn it into a joke so it is less serious and we can laugh at people who really hold such views. I just can't agree with sending a mob to report a shitposting domain and publicising the details you did. As a minority, these are the actions that scare me more than shitposting. It sets quite a bad precedent that can be used against the individual just like happened today. How many governments in particular have gone on witchhunts to persecute people? During the WW, this was bad on all sides and created a tense and fearful situation. This promotes that same mentality. It happened to the same minorities you want to protect.
(DIR) Post #2816511 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-01-10T00:28:57.272042Z
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@nerthos indeed, when indymedia embraced GNU Social platform (indy.im is the only remnant of that), the vibe was completely different.but i shouldn't have fed into the trollbait, that was a grave mistake.
(DIR) Post #2816581 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-01-10T00:30:47.409996Z
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@sim @nerthos I agree wholeheartedly that buying into the trollbait was a grave mistake. I let myself get trolled and join a discourse, when the solution really was to just block his new sockpuppet domain and move on with my life.However, I did not send the mob. The mob was already sent, I did make the mistake of joining the mob, though, which was a serious error on my part.
(DIR) Post #2816695 by sim@shitposter.club
2019-01-10T00:36:02.962480Z
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@kaniini @nerthos I would agree with you. I don't think you sent the mob but you did post details about who to turn to, no? Something about an IP as well which I wouldn't have just known as a normal user that isn't technically-inclined. It was also inviting, and not just joining. Made the suggestion or just what you did. But either, I think you were right about being worried about this approach when you voiced doubt in a thread.
(DIR) Post #2816846 by biwazimayui@shitposter.club
2019-01-10T00:39:24.396403Z
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@nerthos @kaniini @lucy yet it's "blood libel" when it's the other way around
(DIR) Post #2816851 by nerthos@shitposter.club
2019-01-10T00:40:52.050442Z
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@biwazimayui @kaniini @lucy Sometimes you have to go extrajudicial
(DIR) Post #2816894 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-01-10T00:42:52.966645Z
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@sim @nerthos I agree that teaching an angry mob new skills was probably not the wisest idea I have ever had. In my defense, I was running based on how my gut felt about the whole thing instead of thinking everything through. I do this from time to time.
(DIR) Post #2817076 by sim@shitposter.club
2019-01-10T00:49:15.739709Z
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@kaniini @nerthos Well, I can understand running on what your gut says... it is a sensitive topic or one that you are passionate about. But hopefully one that you've taken a lesson from. Better to step back and/or block in cases like this. It really does seem like shitposting to me more than anything malicious in mind. The mentality of the angry mob still worries me so I guess I had that on my mind more than anything else so it is easier for me to say. It creates that tense and fearful situation within me instead to see what people have done against these individuals by reporting them just to get back at them.
(DIR) Post #2817180 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-01-10T00:52:33.510722Z
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@sim @nerthos No, I agree absolutely that I shouldn't have gone with my gut on that, and should have just stayed away from it. I am trying to do better about those things. So far in the past year, there have only been two incidents (one *against* the mob who was going after a friend, and one *with* the mob), and hopefully in the next year there will be zero. The problem is, you can know all sorts of ways to deescalate conflict, but it all goes out the window when you start thinking with instinct.
(DIR) Post #2817282 by sim@shitposter.club
2019-01-10T00:55:08.188543Z
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@kaniini @nerthos Well, that is admirable. That you can admit your part in this and thrive to change so that this doesn't repeat itself. Sometimes you do need others to help you catch yourself acting in this way too. I hope you meet your goal in this regard.
(DIR) Post #2817515 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-01-10T01:02:39.345912Z
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@sim @nerthos you know, despite not always agreeing on politics with you, i've always had the utmost respect for you. you're a really good, kindhearted person, and i've always seen you as a good voice of reason.
(DIR) Post #2817747 by sim@shitposter.club
2019-01-10T01:10:04.236776Z
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@kaniini I appreciate that sentiment. I don't expect to agree with everyone on politics either. Who knows? I may even have something to learn from them as my views adapt and change with new information. I'd like to think I've grown over the years and still have much to learn. On saying that, I don't think I could lean hard left again.