Post 2686378 by sir@cmpwn.com
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(DIR) Post #2685392 by sir@cmpwn.com
2019-01-05T23:36:20Z
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Chromium has blacklisted nouveau on Linux, which is one of the most egregiously wrong moves they could make against open source and the health of the Linux ecosystem.Tell them what you think via graphics-dev@chromium.org. Remember to be firm in your convictions but polite with your complaint.
(DIR) Post #2685519 by thufie@cyberia.social
2019-01-05T23:41:21.080911Z
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@sir jeez, its almost like we shouldn't even buy graphics cards manufactured by companies who only want to cater to proprietary drivers and standardize open graphics instead ;PNever making that mistake again lol.
(DIR) Post #2685529 by lain@kawen.space
2019-01-05T23:41:39.172205Z
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@sir call your congressman as well
(DIR) Post #2685677 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2019-01-05T23:45:39.989530Z
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@sir Maybe we could have a group signed email/page?
(DIR) Post #2685678 by sir@cmpwn.com
2019-01-05T23:48:19Z
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@lanodan I think everyone who is upset writing a personal email to convey their concerns is a much more powerful statement
(DIR) Post #2686030 by lucy@netzsphaere.xyz
2019-01-06T00:05:17.362527Z
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@sir take it easy
(DIR) Post #2686032 by lucy@netzsphaere.xyz
2019-01-06T00:05:23.977112Z
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@lain @sir take it easy
(DIR) Post #2686038 by sir@cmpwn.com
2019-01-06T00:05:30Z
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@lucy no
(DIR) Post #2686209 by rin@patch.cx
2019-01-06T00:10:27.172604Z
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@sir I think it is unfair to blame it on the Chromium devs, from my understanding:1. They did not blacklist nouveau users completely from using the browser, they just disabled GPU acceleration for them2. It still can be enabled by passing --ignore-gpu-blacklist flag3. Nouveau devs had a lot of time since Sep 27 to contact Chromium devs with WebGL CTS suite results, but the dev who ran it decided to not report them, because it failed and he was too scared to present this result to Chromium graphics devs, nor he was able to track down the problem himself
(DIR) Post #2686210 by sir@cmpwn.com
2019-01-06T00:11:57Z
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@rin source on #3?
(DIR) Post #2686377 by rin@patch.cx
2019-01-06T00:12:45.215486Z
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@sir https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/nouveau/2019-January/031798.htmlhttps://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=876523
(DIR) Post #2686378 by sir@cmpwn.com
2019-01-06T00:17:11Z
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@rin I had been to the bug but not read that email. I wish Ilia had behaved differently. Regardless, I stand by my condemnation of Chromium's move here. It's not appropriate for the browser to push these kinds of choices onto the user. Chromium should have sooner turned the thumbscrews on Nvidia or sponsored the nouveau developers than blacklist the driver.
(DIR) Post #2687355 by mmu_man@m.g3l.org
2019-01-06T00:52:30Z
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@sir ugh…always the same, you have a problem with X, you blacklist X, instead of (helping to) fixing it… 😠
(DIR) Post #2687468 by mmu_man@m.g3l.org
2019-01-06T00:57:12Z
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@lanodan @sir is there a publication somewhere? (git commit url?)
(DIR) Post #2687484 by sir@cmpwn.com
2019-01-06T00:57:58Z
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@mmu_man @lanodan https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=876523
(DIR) Post #2687689 by bikecurious@whomst.dog
2019-01-06T01:07:22Z
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@mmu_man Ridiculous behavior by Google, they should be prodding Canonical to update the broken drivers & blacklist only the current driver version.@sir Is Ilia the beinning of that thread? They mentioned Signal Desktop, which has seen a serious performance degradation in the past few months. Excited to jump on the QT client for Signal soon, no more UI lockups! The weird thing is even Riot (another Electron app) performs waaaay better while Signal is nearly frozen/lagging.
(DIR) Post #2687789 by mmu_man@m.g3l.org
2019-01-06T01:11:56Z
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@bikecurious @sir they should be prodding nvidia to publish specs that always should have been made public in the first place.Like, they actually published specs for chips used in Android tables, because of Google… why not the rest?The problem is *not* Nouveau, but nvidia not giving the user manuel of the hardware.Period.Blacklisting nouveau equates to being complicit of this.cf.https://www.haiku-os.org/blog/mmu_man/2008-11-03_say_what_you_want_from_us_but_not_what_we_dont_want_to_hear_or_how_much_did_we_regress/
(DIR) Post #2687794 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2019-01-06T00:58:25.607848Z
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@sir @mmu_man Also https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Chrome-Blacklisting-Nouveau
(DIR) Post #2687923 by mmu_man@m.g3l.org
2019-01-06T01:16:28Z
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@lanodan @sir oh, so they're fine with blacklisting Nouveau, but not with Nouveau blacklisting them :D ROTFL
(DIR) Post #2688684 by skybrian@cmpwn.com
2019-01-06T01:48:23Z
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@sir that seems like an inaccurate summary? I thought this was about enabling or disabling graphics acceleration.Maybe encourage people to do something constructive, like figuring out which configurations actually do work to make the blacklist more fine-grained?
(DIR) Post #2698684 by nipos@social.avareborn.de
2019-01-06T09:44:57Z
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@sir Use Firefox instead,it's better anyway.Chrome sucks.Linux is too good for running this spyware. #FuckOffGoogle
(DIR) Post #2703033 by jeff@social.i2p.rocks
2019-01-06T12:41:28.348656Z
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@sir reminder: google is not your friend, they don't care about you and don't have to. you are the product not the customer, you have no say. (^:
(DIR) Post #2768447 by 9796.msmouse@s.dc919.org
2019-01-08T03:25:26Z
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@rin @sir why would a driver team audition for app support?
(DIR) Post #2768448 by rin@patch.cx
2019-01-08T09:00:16.811058Z
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@msmouse @sir why would a browser development team waste their time investigating issues in a driver without driver developer's support instead of just disabling it by default?
(DIR) Post #2768449 by sir@cmpwn.com
2019-01-08T13:13:04Z
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@rin @msmouse they shouldn't do either. They should forward bug reports to nouveau and close the ticket.
(DIR) Post #2801944 by 9796.msmouse@s.dc919.org
2019-01-09T13:59:01Z
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@sir @rin bingo.