Post 2681469 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
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(DIR) Post #2676592 by rey@vulpine.club
2019-01-05T15:37:07Z
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hoping that, eventually, I'll feel less guilty about not getting the big masto ux bugs fixed while I was an adminnow I'm just a user and there's no fuckin chance I'll get the time of day out of nightpool and gargron :(
(DIR) Post #2676593 by rey@vulpine.club
2019-01-05T16:06:34Z
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I did not report most bugs or send PRs upstream because doing so tended to get me publicly humiliatedIf I hadn't upset Gargron, he would've likely not treated us like this.If I paid for access to the dev discord, maybe I'd have some influence.If I hadn't blocked him, I'd know better what "features" were coming down the pipeline.If I knew how to program better, I could have fixed things or described problems better, or known that changing certain settings would basically ruin everything.Why do I recognize this thought pattern
(DIR) Post #2677350 by rey@vulpine.club
2019-01-05T16:17:20Z
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I'm sad that the fork initiative died. I stayed away from it because I didn't want to make things worse for everyone, but apparently that played directly into what he wanted.I'm upset that Pleroma has been portrayed as having a worse "reputation" than Mastodon. Every single instance I've had to block for actively attacking v.c folks has been running Mastodon. This goes back to NoAgendaSocial.About that one, by the way? I posted about it so my critters would know. We were running mainline, so there was no local-only option. Guess who got brigaded for desecration of the ideals of federation? This girl. Guess who never posted publicly about blocking an instance again? This girl.
(DIR) Post #2677351 by rey@vulpine.club
2019-01-05T16:22:25Z
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Gargron is an abusive, power-hungry individual.Do not use Mastodon for new projects. Do not federate with mastodon.social. Do not support him by giving him attention or money or users or followers.Avoid him, avoid Mastodon, do not let him convince you that you're worthless. You're stronger than him.
(DIR) Post #2677352 by tomas@social.umeahackerspace.se
2019-01-05T18:16:54+00:00
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@rey What's the scoop?
(DIR) Post #2681371 by maloki@elekk.xyz
2019-01-05T17:20:34Z
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@rey died is an overstatement, but alive is an overstatement too, btw.It's hard to keep something afloat when your body goes into reject mode. đAaanyways, I know what you mean /how how feel.
(DIR) Post #2681372 by rey@vulpine.club
2019-01-05T17:38:15Z
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@maloki yeah :(I wanted to help with it, but... idk, the Mastodon code base makes me feel like I am not qualified to do so. I spend most of my time trying to figure out what things mean, why they're there, and how they interconnect. Part of me says this is because it is nearly entirely devoid of comments or other documentation; part of me says this is because I'm a shitty dev and not smart enough to understand it.I wonder how common this is
(DIR) Post #2681373 by bstacey@icosahedron.website
2019-01-05T18:39:01Z
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@rey @maloki In my experience of mumble-mumble years of working with software, blaming the lack of documentation is never wrong.
(DIR) Post #2681374 by lightdark@weirder.earth
2019-01-05T18:44:36Z
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@bstacey @rey @maloki honestly, at this rate I'm fairly confident that the solution to the mastodon fork is to just contribute to pleroma and help get it to the point where people wanted the mastodon fork to be. people are working on migration scripts and honestly I was originally going to host a mastodon instance but will likely just go with pleroma instead
(DIR) Post #2681375 by bstacey@icosahedron.website
2019-01-05T18:52:44Z
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@lightdark @rey @maloki I think a lot of what people wanted to do with the fork idea was to establish a process for development, and just jumping onto another project to pile features into it wouldn't achieve that goal.But we never got as far as picking a name for the project, so....
(DIR) Post #2681376 by lightdark@weirder.earth
2019-01-05T18:58:21Z
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@bstacey @rey @maloki honestly? I don't think the pleroma devs would mind establishing that governance. Gitea does it as an incredibly successful project and a lot more people would be willing to jump in considering the project is already healthy and establishedmaybe I'm just optimistic but also I think that the sad truth is that people want to be listened to more than they want that power
(DIR) Post #2681377 by scarlett@catgirl.science
2019-01-05T19:06:01.840297Z
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@lightdark @bstacey while there may not be enough formalized process, the development culture is generally already quite different form mastodon's because there's about eight of us that can review and approve changes. it's not really run like a personal project.
(DIR) Post #2681378 by lightdark@weirder.earth
2019-01-05T19:08:49Z
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@scarlett @bstacey yeah, and most of the governance I was mentioning was along the lines of formalising a board and elections for who those people are. but honestly I don't think people really care enough to push for that. really all that people wanted to be able to do is have a voice and it seems definitely like the development team is already listening, so, the formality seems like a lot of work for not much
(DIR) Post #2681379 by bstacey@icosahedron.website
2019-01-05T19:17:33Z
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@lightdark @scarlett I'm not sure whether it's "formality" or not, but one thing I'd like to see is a venue for beta-testing the social effects of new features. One thing about mastodev that repeatedly gets people upset is new features (trending smashtags or whatever) appearing, not just without warning or input, but without testing to see how they actually affect social behavior in practice.
(DIR) Post #2681380 by bstacey@icosahedron.website
2019-01-05T19:20:06Z
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@lightdark @scarlett ... My thought was to set up a "Betadon.social" instance, where new gimmicks can be tried out. People who are willing to "live on the edge" can sign up there, accepting the irritations and other consequences, and the whole fediverse can benefit from the experience.
(DIR) Post #2681441 by ekaitz_zarraga@mastodon.social
2019-01-05T16:25:40Z
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@rey O_O I've lost too many parts of this story...He is a quite peculiar individual but I didn't find him toxic yet. What happened?(Don't block .social please, I love to have you around :( )
(DIR) Post #2681442 by rey@vulpine.club
2019-01-05T16:32:12Z
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@ekaitz_zarraga i haven't compiled the receipts, but here's the case against his instance: m.s appears to have one active moderator for ~250k users. she's paid an unknown amount, but it doesn't sound anywhere near minimum wage. even as the ratio gets worse and mods disappear, he refuses to turn off new registrations because it's too confusing for new users.also i can't block instances, I'm not a mod or admin anywhere ;)
(DIR) Post #2681462 by chara@toot.cat
2019-01-05T18:15:22Z
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@rey preach it sistertired of the "oh if you want things to be better then why don't you join the masto.social development fanclub on GitHub"--ugh, do we really HAVE to be part of THAT sort of community just to have any input here?Gargamel's got zero interest in listening to anybody outside other computer geeks on GitHub, what's he doing with so much power over this gigantic community of MOSTLY NON-PROGRAMMERSsorry
(DIR) Post #2681469 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2019-01-05T18:29:11.426101Z
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@rey You need to *pay* to get access to their discord? This is wrong on so many levels.Also as a pleroma dev I quite know how you feel, most of our stuff coming back to upstream having been rejected (only one having went to upstream was the âshow moreâ thing and was a bit forced by us and it was modified quite heavily).And for people attacking us (queer.hacktivis.me and other instances) here, itâs quite balanced between pleroma and mastodon, which quite shows that is hasnât much to do with the software.I quite wish ForkTogether would have worked but honestly few things in itâs organisation putted me away, maybe it needs to reboot.