Post 2378326 by kragen@nerdculture.de
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(DIR) Post #2357693 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2018-12-28T04:48:52.070526Z
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an interesting view to consider is that maybe to kill big data we must forego social media altogether. one of my colleagues observes that even fediverse is not safe because the big data companies can scrape or provide value adds like mobile apps that capture the data.
(DIR) Post #2357694 by kemonine@social.holdmybeer.solutions
2018-12-28T04:50:43.079194Z
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@kaniini I have various hydrocarbons you can borrow🤗
(DIR) Post #2358048 by nawi@social.toromino.de
2018-12-28T05:06:49.370353Z
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@kaniini Even we stop using social media, we will not kill big data. Everything what is piblic at the internet (like the fediverse) will be used to collect data. The difference is, at the fedi. you are not forced to use your real name. Every government is interested that people use services like Facebook, WhatsApp and so on as they have a way to control people and, do censorship. The big company do censorship as they need money to exist.
(DIR) Post #2375743 by ffff@letsalllovela.in
2018-12-28T19:48:43.460585Z
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taht really makes me think ..... interesting... . @nawi @kaniini
(DIR) Post #2376261 by nawi@social.toromino.de
2018-12-28T20:08:55.474709Z
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@ffff @kaniini In which kind ?
(DIR) Post #2376589 by ffff@letsalllovela.in
2018-12-28T20:17:51.634545Z
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I thought it was veyr interesting... its very thoughtful! sorry @nawi @kaniini
(DIR) Post #2376621 by nawi@social.toromino.de
2018-12-28T20:20:16.868398Z
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@ffff @kaniini No problem, was just curious. This topic is more complicated and could be discussed more in detail.
(DIR) Post #2377602 by kragen@nerdculture.de
2018-12-28T20:52:35Z
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@kaniini I think pervasive anonymity and pseudonymity can go a substantial distance, but not if you're running spyware on your phone.
(DIR) Post #2377652 by ffff@letsalllovela.in
2018-12-28T20:55:19.019147Z
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@nawi @kaniini
(DIR) Post #2377714 by nawi@social.toromino.de
2018-12-28T20:58:40.953848Z
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@kragen @kaniini Spyware like ?
(DIR) Post #2377788 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2018-12-28T20:57:59.252637Z
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@nawi @kragen Google Play Services, Facebook, etc.
(DIR) Post #2377909 by nawi@social.toromino.de
2018-12-28T21:04:21.083779Z
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@kaniini @kragen > Google Play Services, Facebook, etc.True. But why people are not concerned about the own ISP or mail provider ? A ISP or basically any IX is able todo Deep Packet Inspection for data mining / censorship. And a mail provider has the source and destination IP in the header, also the subject.
(DIR) Post #2377990 by kragen@nerdculture.de
2018-12-28T21:05:55Z
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@nawi @kaniini Because we use SSL to connect to social networking sites nowadays, so the ISP doesn't have access to what you read and write any more. But if you use an app on your phone to read and write, that app has access not only to that, but also to accelerometers, GPS, microphone, and even camera — it had better be trustworthy.It's true that ISPs have substantial censorship powers.
(DIR) Post #2378090 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2018-12-28T21:05:36.919268Z
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@nawi @kragen IXes are operated by non-profit entities most of the time or are structured in a way where they have no business interest in manipulating the data flowing across the IX fabric.for example, the contract we have with Telehouse for gaining access to NYIIX/LAIIX specifically obligates Telehouse to not manipulate any data between us and other peers on the IX fabric.while many ISPs are problematic, IXes are generally not. the solution for problematic ISPs is to regulate them heavily.
(DIR) Post #2378091 by kragen@nerdculture.de
2018-12-28T21:08:40Z
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@kaniini @nawi Heavy regulation probably implies reducing competition; historically, lack of competition also seems to be a major factor in abusive ISP policies. Maybe tightly focused regulation aimed at preserving network neutrality would be better.
(DIR) Post #2378120 by nawi@social.toromino.de
2018-12-28T21:11:21.901151Z
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@kragen @kaniini > ... SSL to connect ... State trojan like Germany ?> IXes are operated by non-profit entities ... What about arabic spring and censorship where the country controls IX‘s ?
(DIR) Post #2378132 by kragen@nerdculture.de
2018-12-28T21:10:29Z
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@kaniini @nawi Other accountability solutions like cooperative ownership of ISPs (as you point out is the rule with internet exchanges) might prove effective as well.
(DIR) Post #2378159 by nawi@social.toromino.de
2018-12-28T21:12:37.343590Z
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@kragen @kaniini > ... like cooperative ownership ... Yes, like the WISP projects.
(DIR) Post #2378162 by kragen@nerdculture.de
2018-12-28T21:11:28Z
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@nawi @kaniini Are you saying that Germany is currently MITMing SSL connections or something? I recall Iran got caught doing that a couple of years ago but thought that only China was doing that kind of thing today?
(DIR) Post #2378210 by nawi@social.toromino.de
2018-12-28T21:14:23.269030Z
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@kragen @kaniini Yep, they use FinFisher and had also offers from Skype for MITM to nreak encryption. Same Austria where it is planned.
(DIR) Post #2378245 by nawi@social.toromino.de
2018-12-28T21:15:27.960512Z
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@kragen @kaniini Have a look at https://www.dw.com/en/german-federal-police-use-trojan-virus-to-evade-phone-encryption/a-42328466
(DIR) Post #2378294 by nawi@social.toromino.de
2018-12-28T21:17:22.910828Z
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@kragen @kaniini BTW Austria in German https://fm4.orf.at/tags/erichmoechel
(DIR) Post #2378326 by kragen@nerdculture.de
2018-12-28T21:17:38Z
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@nawi @kaniini Oh, yeah, Germany installing spyware on people's phones. Like I said, if you have spyware on your phone, SSL won't protect you.
(DIR) Post #2378374 by nawi@social.toromino.de
2018-12-28T21:20:27.999002Z
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@kragen @kaniini That is not the point. If people use Google they find informations about what the company does. If the goverment does the same people get no information and, it opens backdoors.
(DIR) Post #2378454 by kragen@nerdculture.de
2018-12-28T21:22:34Z
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@nawi @kaniini It seems like you're confused. You asked why people were less concerned about ISP surveillance. I answered, pointing out that phone spyware is a much more serious threat. Apparently you now agree with me. Cool!
(DIR) Post #2378533 by nawi@social.toromino.de
2018-12-28T21:29:14.143959Z
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@kragen @kaniini Only in parts.> Oh, yeah, Germany installing spyware on people's phones. Like I said, if you have spyware on your phone, SSL won't protect you.You refer to> Google Play Services, Facebook, etc.The difference is, people like to use Google, Facebook, WhatsApp and so on and be ok with what the companies does with customer data. They register there. But it is a difference that the government installs a trojan on your device / machine, scan your harddisk and open backdoors. Even people don‘t like laws and governments - a government is something in which people have trust.But yes, I agree that it is spyware.
(DIR) Post #2383366 by ente@chaos.social
2018-12-29T00:41:15Z
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@kragen @kaniini you also need to make sure not to accidentally drop personal information, and people's identity can be reconstructed from their network.