Post 2165246 by cherubiks@cybre.space
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 (DIR) Post #2164547 by kittybecca@masto.jews.international
       2018-12-20T14:28:51Z
       
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       typical American atheist: how can you be a secular Jew?secular Jew: do you celebrate Christmas and Easter?typical American atheist: yessecular Jew: so it's exactly like that, except with Jewish holidays and culturetypical American atheist: but that's religious... help, i can't comprehend this
       
 (DIR) Post #2164549 by kittybecca@masto.jews.international
       2018-12-21T08:29:36Z
       
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       secular Jew: so i'm a secular Jew in the same sense that you're a secular Christiantypical American atheist: i'm not a secular Christian. i'm just a normal American atheist.secular Jew: but you celebrate Christmas and Eastertypical American atheist: yeah but those are secular holidayssecular Jew: they're religious holidays that you observe in a secular way for cultural reasons, your culture being Christiantypical American atheist: no, my culture is atheist
       
 (DIR) Post #2164657 by mdhughes@cybre.space
       2018-12-21T15:16:42Z
       
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       @kittybecca So you think Jewish traditions are also all pagan holidays coopted by a blood-stained monotheistic cult? Because that's the parallel you're trying to make.And not a lot of atheists celebrate Easter past age 6 or so, the Easter Bunny is less plausible or fun than Santa Claus. Xmas/Yule and Halloween/Samhain are the only quasi-religious holidays observed into adulthood.
       
 (DIR) Post #2165246 by cherubiks@cybre.space
       2018-12-21T15:35:21Z
       
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       @mdhughes @kittybecca Deliberately missing the point doesn't make you look cool or smart
       
 (DIR) Post #2165455 by mdhughes@cybre.space
       2018-12-21T15:44:55Z
       
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       @cherubiks @kittybecca Becca's tu quoque argument only works if the parallel makes sense, and is a fallacy if it does not.Incapably defending someone else's badly-argued post, as you have, disqualifies you from either debate club or a street beef.
       
 (DIR) Post #2174364 by hierarchon@cybre.space
       2018-12-21T22:00:47Z
       
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       @kittybecca @jenkshields tbh i get and agree with the points you’re making here but i would still strongly object to someone calling me a ‘secular Christian’ just because it sounds like it’s calling me a Christian, which i’m very much *not*.
       
 (DIR) Post #2217189 by turion@mastodon.art
       2018-12-21T16:05:13Z
       
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       @kittybecca Obligatory remark that celebrating the shortest day in the year wasn't originally a christian thing. And also, social/family/peer pressure.
       
 (DIR) Post #2217190 by kittybecca@masto.jews.international
       2018-12-21T16:59:36Z
       
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       @turion It's not about why you do it; in this thread I've elaborated as to why I maintain connection to Judaism and it has nothing to do with God. It's about cultural normativity. Commemorating Christian holidays isn't culturally neutral; it's not "just being a normal person."
       
 (DIR) Post #9jl9RV38pOWRpxoVX6 by forAll52@deadinsi.de
       2019-06-12T04:16:33Z
       
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       @kittybecca I would go so far as to call myself an atheist jew. I don't believe in the deity and story stuff, but there are aspects of the culture I actively agree with, and I would be lying if I said some other things were not an influence at minimum. (I'm not big on holidays though, outside of a "fuck work" context)
       
 (DIR) Post #9jl9VTfFv7BAhPXQ5w by dtluna@leftlibertarian.club
       2019-06-12T04:34:32.971687Z
       
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       @kittybecca I don't celebrate neither Christmas nor Easter, but I'm not American