Post 2114076 by natecull@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #2114076 by natecull@mastodon.social
2018-12-19T20:38:48Z
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I wish I understood how and when the word "agenda" became a slur in politics. Isn't having an agenda kind of the *point*? To change the world in accordance with a vision?"I don't trust this artistic movement, something about them makes me feel they have a *manifesto*.""This corporation seems really creepy, it smells of *mission statement*.""I tell you, the conspiracy is everywhere. Even my residents association, the way they act, I swear they have an *articles of incorporation*."
(DIR) Post #2114084 by sydneyfalk@elekk.xyz
2018-12-19T20:42:25Z
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@natecull 'Agenda' is often used only to represent a specific and highly negatively connotated phrase, 'hidden agenda'.This is unfortunate, as 'agenda' is a decent word that sounds a bit more formal than "plan" but not as hilariously archaic as "Thee Liste Ofe Thingse Whate Shalle Wee Alle Discusse" or as brutally pointless as "THE FUCKIN' THIIIINGS".I think the use as 'hidden agenda' is more common and more on our minds, I suppose?
(DIR) Post #2114085 by natecull@mastodon.social
2018-12-19T20:51:59Z
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@sydneyfalk I understand the association of "agenda" and "hidden agenda" BUT I don't understand how that association has persisted, since "agenda" for meetings is in active use by the very same people!I think... it's something deeper than that? It's maybe to do with a conservative idea that politics should only ever Represent The People * and that it's fundamentally immoral to aspire to change society in any way? A sort of Volkisch thing?* the RIGHT People of course, not Those People
(DIR) Post #2114086 by mansr@society.oftrolls.com
2018-12-19T21:08:54Z
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@natecull Elected politicians (such as MPs) should represent those who elected them. If you want to change something, convince people to elect you on those grounds. Otherwise, why bother with elections at all?
(DIR) Post #2114087 by natecull@mastodon.social
2018-12-19T21:12:48Z
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@mansr Of course they should!But usually the *reason* the people elect certain politicians is that the politicians promise to deliver *change*.That's having an agenda.An agenda is a list of things you're going to change. If you didn't want to *change* something, you wouldn't be in politics, you wouldn't have a party, and you wouldn't have a campaign.
(DIR) Post #2114088 by mansr@society.oftrolls.com
2018-12-19T21:14:19Z
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@natecull I thought the the main reason politicians got elected was that there were no other choices.
(DIR) Post #2114115 by maswan@mastodon.acc.umu.se
2018-12-19T20:54:40Z
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@natecull I think it is a (on purpose?) cut from having a *hidden* agenda. I want politicians voting for what they say for the reasons they claim.
(DIR) Post #2114116 by mona@cybre.space
2018-12-19T21:13:11Z
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@natecull @maswan I would consider this to be a mere bonus feature of any practical system, which ought to be designed with a built-in assumption that leaders lie their asses off. perfect honesty is not compatible with perfect harmony, not among humans in any case.
(DIR) Post #2114117 by mona@cybre.space
2018-12-19T21:15:27Z
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@natecull @maswan ridding our politics of the silly expectation that its politicians tell the truth also rids us of the annoying white-culture obsession with teasing out hidden intentions. the most dishonest humans are all sincere, anyway.