Post 1939333 by Wolf480pl@niu.moe
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(DIR) Post #1934238 by ellied@sleeping.town
2018-12-12T15:35:26Z
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"Patents protect the little guys too!""Patents are really important because they allow anyone to stop others from stealing their ideas!"
(DIR) Post #1935658 by coy@niu.moe
2018-12-12T17:03:03Z
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@ellied It's definitely a system that was built to do exactly the opposite. Edison put the damn thing in place in US just to abuse it!
(DIR) Post #1936689 by tomas@social.umeahackerspace.se
2018-12-12T18:06:58+00:00
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@ellied Even if you can afford it a patent isn't as much use anyway, unless you have the legal muscle to defend it, or if you can license it somehow
(DIR) Post #1936906 by pettter@social.umeahackerspace.se
2018-12-12T18:08:53+00:00
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@tomas @ellied The point of patents it, first and foremost, that drawings and inventions are _properly documented_ in places and formats that are _eventually_ publically available. The alternative is to keep those as trade secrets.
(DIR) Post #1936907 by tomas@social.umeahackerspace.se
2018-12-12T18:23:39+00:00
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@pettter @ellied I'd be careful assigning purpose/using ideology to describe the current situation. No who's good with patents does it that way. What happens is one patents a particular step in a process *and* one keeps many of the steps secret. If you're maximizing profit then publishing all know-how would be foolish.
(DIR) Post #1939113 by Wolf480pl@niu.moe
2018-12-12T20:23:10Z
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@ellied Keep in mind there's no such thing as "intellectual property".
(DIR) Post #1939115 by ellied@sleeping.town
2018-12-12T19:37:20Z
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@pettter So we allow companies to own practical knowledge and sue people for using it without paying fees, all in the hopes that we'll be allowed to look at it at some later date after it stops being profitable? I dunno man, that doesn't sound like a very good system to me.
(DIR) Post #1939116 by pettter@social.umeahackerspace.se
2018-12-12T19:51:21+00:00
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@ellied Not in the hope, the requirement. I'll freely admit it has problems though, especially in modern consumerist anti-repair times.
(DIR) Post #1939117 by Wolf480pl@niu.moe
2018-12-12T20:22:43Z
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@pettter @ellied IOW, the intent was cool, but the implementation sucks.
(DIR) Post #1939241 by ellied@sleeping.town
2018-12-12T20:27:59Z
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@Wolf480pl what do you mean?I know full well that intellectual property is a concept that is not well-aligned with reality, but it's also concept that people (and laws) believe in - and that makes it real enough for anyone. Being ill-conceived and not existing are entirely different things.
(DIR) Post #1939333 by Wolf480pl@niu.moe
2018-12-12T20:31:15Z
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@ellied I mean that the idea that exists a uniform right called "intellectual property" that is similar to owning physical items is wrong. And that some people spread it nevertheless, sometimes on purpose, to fool others.There are different kinds of laws, like copyright, patents, trademarks, etc. which behave very differently and there's no reason to lump them together.So for me, if someone says "intellectual property", that's a red flag.
(DIR) Post #1939620 by ellied@sleeping.town
2018-12-12T20:43:42Z
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@Wolf480pl Ah, perhaps this post in isolation was unclear in that regard.Since all of my posts with "intellectual property" in the subject line are griping and ranting about the effects of intellectual property as an idea, I'd hoped it might've been more clear that I'm not calling any specific entity "intellectual property" but am instead talking about the concept itself. In this case, while the post was specifically about patents, my gripes more generally apply to everything that gets called "intellectual property", and so I decided to use the term in the subject line as a content warning, in case any of my followers aren't in the mood to hear me rant on that subject.I'm not defending the legitimacy of intellectual property at all - quite the opposite. I just use the term as a subject line because it's the central focus that I'm talking about. Using a different word to avoid saying "intellectual property" would be silly, because intellectual property is the specific concept that the post concerns.