Post 191088 by thatcosmonaut@knzk.me
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(DIR) Post #186451 by realmaxkeeble@knzk.me
2018-09-25T16:59:40Z
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mixed reception to workplace democracy on facebook
(DIR) Post #186452 by lynnesbian@deadinsi.de
2018-09-25T17:00:11Z
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@realmaxkeeble you want representation? jeez i didn't realise this was the USSR
(DIR) Post #186453 by realmaxkeeble@knzk.me
2018-09-25T17:02:23Z
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@lynnesbian the response that bugs me the most is "You do... once when you accept the position and every day after that when you stay at your job."she's a self-identified liberal, and that response sounds a lot a like the "oh you don't like the way this country is? than LEAVE" response a lot of conservatives get
(DIR) Post #186454 by thatcosmonaut@knzk.me
2018-09-25T17:03:57Z
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@lynnesbian @realmaxkeeble liberals are exactly the same as conservatives when it comes to wholeheartedly believing in the illusion of choice under capitalism
(DIR) Post #186478 by realmaxkeeble@knzk.me
2018-09-25T17:04:41Z
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@thatcosmonaut @lynnesbian i'd love to respond to this stuff on there but I have no clue where to even start
(DIR) Post #188605 by realmaxkeeble@knzk.me
2018-09-25T19:00:38Z
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how the hell should I respond to this (I'm black, my brother is red)
(DIR) Post #188606 by thatcosmonaut@knzk.me
2018-09-25T19:02:48Z
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@realmaxkeeble why don't you want to know how upper management makes the decisions that affect you? what do you have to lose by knowing the facts? what do they have to gain by hiding them from you?
(DIR) Post #188656 by thatcosmonaut@knzk.me
2018-09-25T19:05:54Z
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@realmaxkeeble also, turning it back around: what is the difference between what he's saying about private orgs and a government? would he be in favor of a tyrannical government the way he is in favor of tyrannically organized business?
(DIR) Post #188724 by thatcosmonaut@knzk.me
2018-09-25T19:09:12Z
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@realmaxkeeble i think fundamentally the problem is that people dont think of working in a business as an unequal power relation, but it absolutely is one
(DIR) Post #188731 by realmaxkeeble@knzk.me
2018-09-25T19:09:52Z
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@thatcosmonaut not only that, I think he still to a certain level is showing that he thinks getting promoted is a meritocracy
(DIR) Post #190275 by illnessideology@bofa.lol
2018-09-25T19:16:04Z
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@realmaxkeeble well currently the discussion is being discussed in utilitarian terms, about outcomes. You can re-frame the discussion by saying that in both the political and economic realm, it is one's right to have a say in decisions that affect our lives. Regardless of whether or not it leads to "better" outcomes, you ought to have a say in your own life. That's a reasonable right anyone would want
(DIR) Post #190276 by illnessideology@bofa.lol
2018-09-25T19:26:20Z
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@realmaxkeeble also don't let the implied definition of "good management/leadership" go unchallenged here. He implicitly defines it in terms of The Bottom Line. but that's success in terms of the interests of the owners, not necessarily the interests of the workers. the point of electing your bosses isn't to pick the people best at padding the bottom line, the point is to have a mechanism that encourages management to act in the interests of their employees, because those interests matter and ought to be represented, especially when those interest are antagonistic to the Bottom Line
(DIR) Post #190277 by realmaxkeeble@knzk.me
2018-09-25T19:40:44Z
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@illnessideology mind if i steal this
(DIR) Post #190278 by illnessideology@bofa.lol
2018-09-25T19:41:23Z
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@realmaxkeeble I do not mind at all. Go right ahead
(DIR) Post #190279 by realmaxkeeble@knzk.me
2018-09-25T20:27:03Z
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@illnessideology let’s see how he responds
(DIR) Post #190280 by realmaxkeeble@knzk.me
2018-09-25T20:41:34Z
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@illnessideology a response, courtesy of his wife, and its a doozy
(DIR) Post #190281 by illnessideology@bofa.lol
2018-09-25T20:43:56Z
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@realmaxkeeble do they not understand the difference between "giving your opinion" and "your opinion carry the weight of being able to affect change"?
(DIR) Post #190282 by thatcosmonaut@knzk.me
2018-09-25T20:44:22Z
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@illnessideology @realmaxkeeble i mean we're talking about a liberal here, so no
(DIR) Post #190296 by illnessideology@bofa.lol
2018-09-25T20:45:34Z
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@thatcosmonaut @realmaxkeeble the "if you don't like it, quit" is peak liberalism
(DIR) Post #190354 by gayhobbes@mastodon.social
2018-09-25T20:47:05Z
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@realmaxkeeble whoa I'd hate for upper management to engage in a popularity contest of *checks notes* making employees happy
(DIR) Post #190355 by thatcosmonaut@knzk.me
2018-09-25T20:48:59Z
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@gayhobbes @realmaxkeeble its exactly like when people say "if we had real direct democracy, people would just vote for the government to give themselves good things" and its like... i dont really see the problem here
(DIR) Post #190429 by gayhobbes@mastodon.social
2018-09-25T20:52:12Z
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@thatcosmonaut @realmaxkeeble do people not know that like, government is just the bureaucratic manifestation of collective societal will?
(DIR) Post #190448 by natehousley@knzk.me
2018-09-25T20:52:46Z
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@realmaxkeeble this blows my mind
(DIR) Post #190530 by thatcosmonaut@knzk.me
2018-09-25T20:55:24Z
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@gayhobbes @realmaxkeeble democracy is the only bulwark against tyranny, but also we cant have real democracy or else those idiots will fuck everything up. this makes complete sense because i am an Elite and everyone who isnt me is part of the baying hordes of morons
(DIR) Post #190537 by gayhobbes@mastodon.social
2018-09-25T20:55:57Z
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@thatcosmonaut @realmaxkeeble I think they all like Harry Potter so much because they identify with Hermione so hard
(DIR) Post #190559 by seasharp@crowsnest.libre.audio
2018-09-25T20:56:39.741706Z
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@thatcosmonaut @realmaxkeeble @gayhobbes History: Humanities greatest hitsWorld Music Section
(DIR) Post #190576 by realmaxkeeble@knzk.me
2018-09-25T20:57:27Z
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@gayhobbes @thatcosmonaut the two main repliers to this are my brother and my sister and law. They once dressed up as snape and mcgonagal, respectively, for Halloween
(DIR) Post #190577 by thatcosmonaut@knzk.me
2018-09-25T20:57:37Z
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@realmaxkeeble @gayhobbes AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
(DIR) Post #190628 by CJBurger@bofa.lol
2018-09-25T20:59:11Z
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@thatcosmonaut @gayhobbes @realmaxkeeble I think representative democracy has a place, but if you start from the position that people are stupid - rather than very busy living their lives - your democracy is going to suck shit.
(DIR) Post #190645 by gayhobbes@mastodon.social
2018-09-25T20:59:52Z
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@thatcosmonaut @realmaxkeeble that means, and I apologize for putting this in your head, that they likely banged as Snape and McGonagal
(DIR) Post #190747 by seasharp@crowsnest.libre.audio
2018-09-25T21:04:13.952560Z
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@CJBurger @realmaxkeeble @gayhobbes @thatcosmonaut The fact that this is so pervasive across cultures from what I've gleaned in discussion with people from other cultures is so scary.I honestly wonder if we'll ever break the gravity of it.
(DIR) Post #191027 by CJBurger@bofa.lol
2018-09-25T21:17:26Z
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@seasharp @realmaxkeeble @gayhobbes @thatcosmonaut unfortunately it's very difficult to break the teenage mentality that people who know less than us are dumb rather than just not as informed about a specific topic. Especially since the former allows us to feel morally superior while the latter requires us to be empathetic to the different ways people choose to live their lives.
(DIR) Post #191080 by gayhobbes@mastodon.social
2018-09-25T20:43:37Z
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@realmaxkeeble @illnessideology ask her what happens when your concerns about operational management are ignored
(DIR) Post #191081 by realmaxkeeble@knzk.me
2018-09-25T20:51:27Z
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@gayhobbes @illnessideology stealing again from both of these replies, peppering in with my own stuff. we'll see how they respond(thanks for all the help here y'all)
(DIR) Post #191082 by gayhobbes@mastodon.social
2018-09-25T20:52:54Z
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@realmaxkeeble @illnessideology max these responses are unironically giving me a boner
(DIR) Post #191083 by realmaxkeeble@knzk.me
2018-09-25T21:04:14Z
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@gayhobbes @illnessideology well she is not going to like my idea of who should own the companies
(DIR) Post #191084 by gayhobbes@mastodon.social
2018-09-25T21:05:00Z
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@realmaxkeeble @illnessideology why don't those employees have the pertinent information? What is to be gained from keeping that stuff from them?
(DIR) Post #191085 by scarletteshepard@bofa.lol
2018-09-25T21:05:17Z
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@gayhobbes @realmaxkeeble @illnessideology money is to be gained
(DIR) Post #191086 by gayhobbes@mastodon.social
2018-09-25T21:06:59Z
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@scarletteshepard @realmaxkeeble @illnessideology I mean yes but I want to make HER say that this is about naked power
(DIR) Post #191087 by realmaxkeeble@knzk.me
2018-09-25T21:23:36Z
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@gayhobbes @scarletteshepard @illnessideology I think we're getting an idea for her view of the common citizen (i have not written a comment yet, she did this on her own accord)
(DIR) Post #191088 by thatcosmonaut@knzk.me
2018-09-25T21:25:38Z
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@realmaxkeeble @gayhobbes @scarletteshepard @illnessideology
(DIR) Post #198365 by drwho@mastodon.social
2018-09-25T21:37:47Z
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@realmaxkeeble Voting is "commie?"I detect a fellow survivor of the USian public education system.
(DIR) Post #198366 by Mac_CZ@mastodon.macsnet.cz
2018-09-26T07:27:33Z
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@drwho @realmaxkeeble Voting about somebody else property is "commie".