Post 1877017 by geordie@aus.social
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(DIR) Post #1876956 by mike@social.chinwag.org
2018-12-10T08:40:20Z
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Found this in the door when I got home. If everything goes offline tomorrow, please avenge me. :awesome: I really should have organised a warrant canary at some point.
(DIR) Post #1876988 by geordie@aus.social
2018-12-10T08:41:24Z
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@mike do it now, then call them.
(DIR) Post #1877000 by geordie@aus.social
2018-12-10T08:41:35Z
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@mike also, get a lawyer.
(DIR) Post #1877010 by mike@social.chinwag.org
2018-12-10T08:42:30Z
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@geordie will call first to find out the scope of their query. I know to not talk without one.
(DIR) Post #1877017 by geordie@aus.social
2018-12-10T08:42:57Z
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@mike how are you going to find out the scope of their query without talking/
(DIR) Post #1877053 by geordie@aus.social
2018-12-10T08:44:07Z
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@mike Access Assistance bill is now law, if you call them and get told you're being given a technical capability notice for chinwag you can't reveal it to anyone. Giddalawya
(DIR) Post #1877066 by varx@infosec.exchange
2018-12-10T08:44:14Z
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@mike Just make a statement about how you've never had a warrant served on the data, include the date and a headline from today, and post it with the PGP signature here. And the public key too, I guess. :-)
(DIR) Post #1877081 by mike@social.chinwag.org
2018-12-10T08:45:04Z
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@geordie well ok not LITERALLY not talking. I can ask what they want, then take that to a lawyer.
(DIR) Post #1877093 by geordie@aus.social
2018-12-10T08:45:37Z
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@mike danger will robinson
(DIR) Post #1877099 by mike@social.chinwag.org
2018-12-10T08:46:23Z
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@geordie I am aware. I kinda figured this day was going to come when I started running public services. I'm not unprepared and I'm not discussing it any more than that in this forum. 👍
(DIR) Post #1877108 by geordie@aus.social
2018-12-10T08:46:40Z
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@mike understood, go well.
(DIR) Post #1877228 by gasp@girlcock.club
2018-12-10T08:54:36Z
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@mike well
(DIR) Post #1877284 by Funkpirata@social.chinwag.org
2018-12-10T08:59:58Z
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@mike oh damn. Hope it's nothing serious. Never fun dealing with such people. Strange days.
(DIR) Post #1877308 by mike@social.chinwag.org
2018-12-10T09:01:22Z
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Interesting thing that occurred to me - the card is addressed to "Mike" not "Michael" so my info is coming from some online source ("Mike" is all I ever put into forms) and not offline (all my licenses, banking, etc is my full legal name).Doesn't mean much, but it's interesting.
(DIR) Post #1877332 by carbontwelve@d20hero.club
2018-12-10T09:03:23.021641Z
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@mike must be a weird feeling getting that. Reading the rest of this thread I know you know what your doing, good luck.
(DIR) Post #1877407 by cefiar@social.chinwag.org
2018-12-10T09:08:16Z
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@mike Re: Warrant Canary... Except that they're technically illegal in Australia since 2015 (based on a 5 second google search).
(DIR) Post #1877469 by mike@social.chinwag.org
2018-12-10T09:11:05Z
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@cefiar I believe my doubt over that was why I didn't do it when I first put Chinwag online in about 2015, I never went right down the rabbit hole enough to get a good answer.
(DIR) Post #1878257 by joshsharp@mastodon.social
2018-12-10T09:52:49Z
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@mike ahh that's a little scary. Good luck.
(DIR) Post #1878332 by mike@social.chinwag.org
2018-12-10T10:00:43Z
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@joshsharp tbqh leaving a card in the door with "please call" is the least scary way this could happen. If it was really serious they'd be waiting for me to get home.
(DIR) Post #1878353 by PinkCathodeCat@cybre.space
2018-12-10T10:01:50Z
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@mike lawyer. now. do all communication to federal police through the lawyer.
(DIR) Post #1878456 by joshsharp@mastodon.social
2018-12-10T10:11:06Z
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@mike true, I guess you're right. That'd be worse. Still, it's the sort of thing I dread happening. I hope the timing given the A&A bill is just a coincidence.
(DIR) Post #1878519 by LottieVixen@toot.cat
2018-12-10T10:17:05Z
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@mike heck
(DIR) Post #1878790 by mike@social.chinwag.org
2018-12-10T10:36:40Z
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@PinkCathodeCat Don't suppose you know any good local lawyers who like broke sysadmins more than they like the AFP? 😁
(DIR) Post #1879043 by stib@aus.social
2018-12-10T11:01:00Z
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@mikeJust plead guilty, we all know you did it.
(DIR) Post #1879069 by mike@social.chinwag.org
2018-12-10T11:02:43Z
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@stib
(DIR) Post #1879096 by Andrea@social.chinwag.org
2018-12-10T11:04:29Z
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@mike @joshsharp that's what I was thinking.The Spanish inquisition didn't announce their coming. (Actually have no idea if they did or didn't, I'm no history jock.)
(DIR) Post #1879148 by anish@vis.social
2018-12-10T11:11:48Z
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@mike oh jesus. im terrified of this happening to me.
(DIR) Post #1879158 by anish@vis.social
2018-12-10T11:11:53Z
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@mike good luck!
(DIR) Post #1879191 by mike@social.chinwag.org
2018-12-10T11:18:40Z
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@anish yeah it can be rough. this isn't my first time, though, and I'm comfortably aware that I'm a middle-aged white dude who hasn't done anything wrong.A lot has changed, legally speaking, around me recently though and I'm pretty sure I'm going to need to learn things very fast in the next couple of days. 😀
(DIR) Post #1879790 by cathal@octodon.social
2018-12-10T12:02:54Z
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@mike@PinkCathodeCatEncrypted Database backups by torrent, shutdown servers, leave password with trusted offshore person, make them lock you out. Or some such.If you need someone in Ireland I could do a halfassed, incompetent job for a few days probably.
(DIR) Post #1879829 by bikecurious@whomst.dog
2018-12-10T12:05:38Z
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@mike Did they write down an alternative number on the card? If they did, that is sketchy AF that they don't recommend using their offical phone number.
(DIR) Post #1879914 by mike@social.chinwag.org
2018-12-10T12:09:47Z
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@bikecurious my first job tomorrow is calling their main switchboard number and making sure this isn't a hilarious prank.The fact that it's just some dude's business card and it's left at the door makes me think this really isn't going to be a big deal.
(DIR) Post #1879951 by makestuff@makestuff.club
2018-12-10T12:12:28Z
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@mikeI did that once until I got detained by TSA for having nothing match my ticket. I had my ID with my full middle name and everything else as initial.
(DIR) Post #1890116 by PaulfromOz@social.chinwag.org
2018-12-10T19:50:09Z
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@mikeLots of good bakers here, I'll buy the file. We'll have you out quick smart ☺Best of luck with it
(DIR) Post #1892797 by bikecurious@whomst.dog
2018-12-10T21:35:24Z
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@mike Yeah, smells of an unfounded fishing expedition, potentially by someone who is not associated with law enforcement.
(DIR) Post #1894367 by Nikolai_Kingsley@social.chinwag.org
2018-12-10T22:33:48Z
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@mike @joshsharp waiting, four cars worth, and with a helicopter circling overhead.Surreal!
(DIR) Post #1897141 by mike@social.chinwag.org
2018-12-11T00:29:49Z
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@Nikolai_Kingsley @joshsharp I'm totally prepared for this, I've been watching Breaking Bad all week. I just have the last episode left to go, and I assume it all turns out ok.
(DIR) Post #1897305 by Nikolai_Kingsley@social.chinwag.org
2018-12-11T00:39:33Z
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@mike
(DIR) Post #1897332 by Naeva@social.chinwag.org
2018-12-11T00:41:10Z
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@mike well shit hey.Dealing with creepy government lizards is never fun, in the wake of aa it's going to get even more interesting!
(DIR) Post #1898973 by mike@social.chinwag.org
2018-12-11T02:38:34Z
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Ok it's pretty dull, the AFP has received a request from an overseas agency (dunno where yet) for information about a chinwag.im jabber account.They just wanted an email address to send the formal request docs to, which I can then take to a lawyer. I'm actually kinda disappointed that they didn't have all my email addresses in a big fat file already with my photo paperclipped to the top.Dude didn't even know who I worked for.
(DIR) Post #1899134 by mike@social.chinwag.org
2018-12-11T02:50:21Z
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@Naeva yeah. It turned out to be fairly dull and routine, but I have a lingering concern that if this is going to get more frequent I may be doing users a disservice by attempting to run public services like I do.Actually started thinking about my mental list of places that aren't Australia that I could enjoy living in again. 😢
(DIR) Post #1899145 by twiddlekins@mastodon.social
2018-12-11T02:50:58Z
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@mike If you typed this under duress toot the clown emoji
(DIR) Post #1899328 by Andrea@social.chinwag.org
2018-12-11T03:01:05Z
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@mike stalker level 1.Sad, very sad.
(DIR) Post #1899399 by mike@social.chinwag.org
2018-12-11T03:07:12Z
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@Andrea I did mention this to him, and he implied that leaving the card was easier than doing the paperwork to stalk me properly.I can totally believe this.
(DIR) Post #1899444 by Andrea@social.chinwag.org
2018-12-11T03:10:05Z
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@mike there speaks someone who is happier to be out and about rather than behind a computer.I guess he actually needed to make contact anyway, to confirm details.I am disappointed they didn't research first, but I guess it backs up the theory that you aren't a "person of interest".
(DIR) Post #1900129 by FiXato@mastodon.social
2018-12-11T03:54:46Z
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@mike or he just *claimed* not to know those details. ;)
(DIR) Post #1900727 by mike@social.chinwag.org
2018-12-11T04:28:52Z
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@Andrea the funny thing is, if he'd known where I worked, he'd have known I was only 250m from the AFP offices. I can see the back of their building from the kitchen here.
(DIR) Post #1900959 by Andrea@social.chinwag.org
2018-12-11T04:43:17Z
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@mike maybe that's a policy of theirs? What would some bosses think if someone from afp cyber Security and crimes division turned up?Yeah, nah, I'm sure they aren't running of you. Probably wanted to be sure they got the right Mike by going to your registered address.
(DIR) Post #1901177 by mike@social.chinwag.org
2018-12-11T04:57:46Z
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@Andrea well they would have started with the domain name - and I'm not quite sure where they linked me with it that didn't just come with a phone number which would have been easiest - although I guess a lot of calls starting with "Hello, this is Agent Rodriguez with the Australian Federal Police" end with "Yeah right, pull the other one".Come to think of it, some unknown numbers did call recently without leaving a voicemail, it's entirely possible he tried calling and I didn't answer.