Post 1828951 by jason@thesocialmedia.feedbackloo.pw
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(DIR) Post #1828943 by rtwx@fosstodon.org
2018-12-08T08:08:12Z
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wifi-menu! Thank you Arch wiki for not saying anything about that. So helpful.
(DIR) Post #1828944 by rtwx@fosstodon.org
2018-12-08T08:22:20Z
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Oh it’s part of netctl.
(DIR) Post #1828945 by rtwx@fosstodon.org
2018-12-08T08:50:38Z
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so ifconfig [interface] down needed before netctl start {profile} or it fails as interface up. Even if I don’t finish this tonight I learnt some basics I guess.
(DIR) Post #1828946 by rtwx@fosstodon.org
2018-12-08T09:21:33Z
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Well, let’s see how this goes now... #ArchLinux #Linux #IHaveNoIdeaWhatImDoing
(DIR) Post #1828947 by halfcutskeleton@cybre.space
2018-12-08T09:27:14Z
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@rtwx I used Arch for years before I finally decided it wasn't worth it and moved on. Too much clutter, too many broken packages, too many problems to fix yourself.It's kind of like a time capsule back to 2005 before there were tools and processed to make Linux a decent desktop distro.Don't get me wrong, there is some inherent flexibility in Arch that can't be replicated elsewhere, but is it really worth your soul?
(DIR) Post #1828948 by rtwx@fosstodon.org
2018-12-08T09:45:39Z
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@halfcutskeleton Actually, this kinda is my attitude usually. I stopped just now with the base package install, no grub yet because apprently I need a MiB or 2 partition... be nice if this was in the much earlier step where they tell you to partition your system 🙄 I'll see how I get on. Ideally I'd be happy with a headless Ubuntu install I can throw xorg and AwesomeWM or i3 at. WHich no doubt I'll probably end up doing if this starts sucking out my soul like the previous times... 😆
(DIR) Post #1828949 by halfcutskeleton@cybre.space
2018-12-08T09:51:41Z
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@rtwx sounds about right. And honestly, the Arch community is generally trash as well.Everyone talks about how great the Arch wiki is, but it feels to me like a whole lot of explaining how to do things without explaining why to do things...Like that 1M partition. Yes, there should absolutely be a notice somewhere that it will be needed if you're using GPT before you get to the grub step. But Arch assumes you knew that before beginning...
(DIR) Post #1828950 by rtwx@fosstodon.org
2018-12-08T09:56:35Z
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@halfcutskeleton When I first stumbled on it, it was way better. I feel it's not maintained like it used to be. like wifi-menu, that was freaking easy but it gets one mention s an aside on netctl among the table of other network managers, then "look at the logs if it fails" when realistically everyone will have to do the same as I did with the adaptor in ifconfig.It used to be better. Years ago I had zero linux knowledge and could follow along, now you need much more existing knowledge.
(DIR) Post #1828951 by jason@thesocialmedia.feedbackloo.pw
2018-12-08T11:20:50.202493Z
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@rtwxI guess the experience above highlights the YMMV factorIt kinda baffles me when folks say their experience with Arch was bad/broken, I have found it to be the most stable long term use distro since switching to it in 2014.The most notible problem I had related to an upstream dnscrypt-proxy socket issueAny other issues ive had were self inflicted doing things that I knew would probably break somthing, and always on one of my test machines never my 'daily driver' @halfcutskeleton
(DIR) Post #1829010 by jason@thesocialmedia.feedbackloo.pw
2018-12-08T11:24:11.493470Z
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@rtwx @halfcutskeletonYou may find this of interest, there is also a 4 part Arch install guide (using legacy bios) on my blog too https://hootiegibbon.gitlab.io/blog/2018/07/04/Things_to_do_after_installing_Arch_Linux.html
(DIR) Post #1841184 by halfcutskeleton@cybre.space
2018-12-08T20:36:16Z
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@jason @rtwx I used Ubuntu from 2005, then Arch from 2007 to 2010, then alternately used Arch and Fedora until 2015. Just this year I decided to move back to (k)Ubuntu and have been quite happy.Arch's flexibility is really only rivaled by NixOS IMHO, but Arch has a problem with lack of leadership and a superiority complex.The AUR is a mess of broken, unmaintained packages, and software tends to arrive in community with bugs.
(DIR) Post #1841185 by halfcutskeleton@cybre.space
2018-12-08T20:38:45Z
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@jason @rtwx if Arch works well for you, I'm glad. But I just couldn't really deal with always having to fix one little thing myself anymore. Like having the latest kernel just randomly decide my ultrawide monitor resolution wasn't usable. Or annoying bugs in a Plasma release that wasn't really ready to push. Or scores of other impatience issues with QC.I have better things to do than manually maintain everything.
(DIR) Post #1841186 by rtwx@fosstodon.org
2018-12-08T21:10:47Z
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@halfcutskeleton @jason damn you! I know you’re right, as that has been my experience in the past 😆
(DIR) Post #1842048 by jason@thesocialmedia.feedbackloo.pw
2018-12-08T22:14:52.728245Z
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@rtwx@halfcutskeletonArch does require some attention during install, I wrote my guide[0] to help those who were unsure about the process, based on a quick how to[1]The solution to the arch community is not to use it if you find it too caustic, I think I have only used it to post an intro to the welcome thread on the forum. The OS itself is super stable, I no longer use the AUR beyond grabbing the additional nano package and a font or two.I have considered moving to Debian, however my personal experience previouly has found it to be less stable that I would want and apt is too slow..If I was to move to another OS I think it may be OpenBSD, or possibly try out Gentoo Again (ive been told that I should re try it).[0] https://hootiegibbon.gitlab.io/blog/2018/06/23/Install_Arch_Linux_Pt1.html[1] https://hootiegibbon.gitlab.io/blog/2017/10/25/rough-guide-to-installing-configuring-arch-linux-my-way.html
(DIR) Post #1842536 by halfcutskeleton@cybre.space
2018-12-08T22:20:54Z
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@jason @rtwx I never found the main Arch repos to be super stable or predictable. The OS itself was usually pretty stable, but then you have things like the Python3 shitshow.Unfortunately, I needed things that weren't available in the main repos. I use my computer for work (IT consultant/MSP/sysadmins/network specialist) and need to take a pragmatic approach to computing due to client needs. That would neccessitate maintaining a lot of software.
(DIR) Post #1842537 by halfcutskeleton@cybre.space
2018-12-08T22:22:59Z
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@jason @rtwx Fedora is still pretty great, but is lacking in some areas. I have found Kubuntu 18.10 with a few PPAs to be one of the most stable and reliable distros I've used to date.I never liked pure Debian, TBH.
(DIR) Post #1842538 by jason@thesocialmedia.feedbackloo.pw
2018-12-08T22:34:44.457837Z
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@halfcutskeleton@rtwxI don't think I have given Fedora a serious go since Fedora Core 4 or perhaps 7. iirc It used to be ok install wise but a bit of a bitch to get working how you want it, but not as bad as post SuSe 9.3 OpenSuSe used to be (the source of multimedia nightmares).Im not a fan of Ubuntu. Although there are some nice Ubuntu based distros