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(DIR) Post #177168 by mattskala@mstdn.io
2018-09-25T02:19:00Z
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Are there any popular Web browsers that will run on a Linux desktop and look like other desktop applications - in particular, with the menus in a bar along the top? I don't want to turn my computer into a phone. I'm typing this in an instance of PaleMoon but I want to stop using it because of the developers' behaviour.
(DIR) Post #177251 by sprite_1ww@mstdn.io
2018-09-25T02:24:24Z
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@mattskala pretty sure Firefox and I'm assuming its forks all do this out of the box 🤔
(DIR) Post #177305 by mattskala@mstdn.io
2018-09-25T02:29:10Z
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@sprite_1ww This is what Firefox looks like on my computer. There is no menu bar, and I haven't been able to find an option to make one appear. The menus are buried inside a single big drop-down activated by the hamburger icon at upper right. For comparison, see the Pale Moon screenshot (which is a fork of Firefox dating from before Firefox's worst redesign), which has the customary "File Edit etc..."
(DIR) Post #177430 by sprite_1ww@mstdn.io
2018-09-25T02:39:28Z
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@mattskala press Alt to make the menu show then make it so it shows all the time
(DIR) Post #177613 by lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net
2018-09-25T02:36:35+00:00
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@mattskala I was able t right-click and check a box to turn on FF menus.
(DIR) Post #177614 by mattskala@mstdn.io
2018-09-25T02:56:28Z
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@lnxw48a1 Ooh! Right-click doesn't work in the main page area but does seem to work in the tool/location bar area. Thanks, that'll make my life better. I don't know if this'll be enough to make Firefox tolerable as my main browser, but it's a big step toward that.
(DIR) Post #177622 by mattskala@mstdn.io
2018-09-25T02:57:40Z
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@sprite_1ww How can I "make it so it shows all the time"? Seems to be gone if I exit and the restart the browser.
(DIR) Post #177638 by mattskala@mstdn.io
2018-09-25T02:58:18Z
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@sprite_1ww Oh, no, it's back again. Don't know why it didn't work the first time I tried exit/restart.
(DIR) Post #177903 by sprite_1ww@mstdn.io
2018-09-25T03:14:44Z
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@mattskala oh, so it's fine now?
(DIR) Post #177909 by mattskala@mstdn.io
2018-09-25T03:15:25Z
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@sprite_1ww Well, it seems to consistently have a menu bar now. I'm reserving judgment on whether it'll be good enough to make it my usual browser.
(DIR) Post #178184 by sprite_1ww@mstdn.io
2018-09-25T03:37:03Z
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@mattskala oh, okay then 👍
(DIR) Post #178269 by zaitcev@sealion.club
2018-09-25T03:49:11+00:00
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@mattskala Does FF look like this (cf) for you or not? Was there screencap attached to your mesage? I often cannot see images posted by Masto users, sorry... https://sealion.club/attachment/2370848
(DIR) Post #178270 by mattskala@mstdn.io
2018-09-25T03:50:30Z
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@zaitcev See the other branches of the thread... for my, by default, no menu bar. But apparently that's a configurable setting I simply hadn't been able to find.
(DIR) Post #178298 by zaitcev@sealion.club
2018-09-25T03:53:52+00:00
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@mattskala Sorry, I'll read the thread. But do I understand it right that you want the menu bar visible constantly? Usually it hides and you need to hit (not press) Alt key for it to appear.
(DIR) Post #178299 by mattskala@mstdn.io
2018-09-25T03:54:39Z
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@zaitcev Yes, I want it to appear all the time.
(DIR) Post #178320 by zaitcev@sealion.club
2018-09-25T03:58:43+00:00
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@mattskala And you have this set, right? http://www.zaitcev.us/things/ff_menu.jpg
(DIR) Post #178321 by mattskala@mstdn.io
2018-09-25T03:59:11Z
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@zaitcev Well, I do now.
(DIR) Post #178724 by tsundoku@mstdn.maud.io
2018-09-25T05:03:29Z
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@mattskala I am in the same situation as you. I spent a week or so tweaking userChrome.css in Firefox 57 with some success before going to Pale Moon.The big issue I have with Firefox that CSS is powerless against is that the settings dialog window got replaced with a webpage, Chrome-style. On its own this is a big problem, but what makes it unlivable is that the settings page is hardcoded to open in a new tab in the current window, regardless of any user settings for opening windows/tabs.
(DIR) Post #178731 by mattskala@mstdn.io
2018-09-25T05:05:30Z
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@tsundoku That's certainly a serious annoyance, though I would hope that I'd be hitting the settings infrequently enough for it not to be a huge deal.
(DIR) Post #178769 by tsundoku@mstdn.maud.io
2018-09-25T05:13:41Z
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@mattskala People always tell me that when I bring it up and theoretically should be that way, but in practice it's not uncommon for me. If I do go into the settings, it's for something related to the content I'm currently viewing, so having the settings replace that content with itself, instead of appearing in its own window, is unacceptable.An easy example is if you use the browser's built-in password manager and autocomplete doesn't work on a given site, so it has to be retrieved manually.
(DIR) Post #178773 by mattskala@mstdn.io
2018-09-25T05:15:01Z
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@tsundoku That's a fairly common case for me, too - but isn't it easy to tear the new tab off into a new window? Trying it just now I think I'm more likely to be annoyed by the fact that Firefox's "settings" is split into a couple of dumbed-down top-level headings and requires extensive scrolling.
(DIR) Post #178818 by tsundoku@mstdn.maud.io
2018-09-25T05:22:18Z
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@mattskala It can be manually moved into a new window every time it is opened, but I find the whole process very disruptive. I haven't given up on finding a solution, but I'm not there yet.The organization is also bothersome, for sure. And of course, even in its own window, it's still huge because it's... a whole other webpage, in all of its widely-spaced glory.As for alternatives that aren't Firefox, Falkon (formerly Qupzilla) has always seemed promising, but I don't love Qt.
(DIR) Post #178913 by tsundoku@mstdn.maud.io
2018-09-25T05:33:46Z
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@mattskala Setting aside toolkit bias, my issues with Falkon are:- "Copy URL" in the context menu doesn't use the select buffer. Ctrl+V paste only, no middle click. This breaks something I do all day long, every day- Cumbersome password manager (must set a master password that has to be entered repeatedly and is difficult to reset)- No synchronization features (this is the most forgivable but I have grown to like them)Outside of that it seems a fine browser and I look at it every so often.
(DIR) Post #178914 by mattskala@mstdn.io
2018-09-25T05:35:17Z
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@tsundoku Hm. I don't object to Qt and I don't use synchronization at all, but those other two might be dealbreakers for me.