Post 1702824 by praeceptor_effervescere@niu.moe
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(DIR) Post #1702824 by praeceptor_effervescere@niu.moe
2018-12-04T06:16:13Z
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Can someone please explain to me how American conservatives can criticise 'liberals' with a straight face? Aren't they liberals too? I'm so confuzzled... :blobunsure:
(DIR) Post #1702825 by fashywhitefem@baraag.net
2018-12-04T06:19:51Z
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@praeceptor_effervescere The term is defined in context. AmCon often qualifies their liberalism as “classic liberalism.”
(DIR) Post #1702857 by praeceptor_effervescere@niu.moe
2018-12-04T06:21:31Z
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@fashywhitefem Thanks! 😊
(DIR) Post #1703158 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2018-12-04T06:37:06.965792Z
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@fashywhitefem @praeceptor_effervescere Yeah, "liberal" came to mean "left" in the US. There's no real liberalism in either of the major parties today, and "liberal" is used almost exclusively as a slur by Republicans. The left calls themselves "progressive" rather than "liberal" now, and euphemism creep (or reverse euphemism creep? There's a word for this) has already turned "progressive" into a negative term in some circles.
(DIR) Post #1703219 by fashywhitefem@baraag.net
2018-12-04T06:40:16Z
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@p @praeceptor_effervescere euphemism treadmill?
(DIR) Post #1703300 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2018-12-04T06:43:42.360074Z
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@fashywhitefem @praeceptor_effervescere I'm stealing that term.
(DIR) Post #1703350 by djsumdog@hitchhiker.social
2018-12-04T06:45:57Z
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@p @fashywhitefem @praeceptor_effervescere There was a meetup group called "Drinking Liberally" and the guy who ran it, Justin Krebs, had a definition for Liberal in his book; crap I can't find it now, but it was something like 'liberals think the world can be better if we treat and care for each other as we care for ourselves' .. I'm butchering it I'm sure. Conversely, I think a conservative is someone who thinks the world will be better by adhering to some "core set of values."
(DIR) Post #1703457 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2018-12-04T06:52:22.969066Z
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@djsumdog @praeceptor_effervescere @fashywhitefem The ol-timey definition was about liberty, conservative was about tradition.Nowadays the words have such wide variance in English that it is impossible to give a definition that works in more than one context.
(DIR) Post #1733077 by fashywhitefem@baraag.net
2018-12-05T04:55:39Z
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@djsumdog @p @praeceptor_effervescere “Treating others as you would yourself” is a core value, isn’t it? I guess tautological qualification is about all you can hope for. Peterson’s order & chaos dichotomy at least tries for opposites.
(DIR) Post #1734987 by djsumdog@hitchhiker.social
2018-12-05T07:24:39Z
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@fashywhitefem @p @praeceptor_effervescere It can be, but it doesn't have to be. The conservative typically adheres to core values, over new information. It goes in partially with the "myth of a better time" fallacy. Conservatives and libertarians tend to believe that we are all individually responsible where as a progressive would see people more as a product of circumstance; to strive to give people as equal a chance as possible. (Equality of opportunity; food, shelter, safety, school)
(DIR) Post #1735067 by fashywhitefem@baraag.net
2018-12-05T07:30:35Z
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@djsumdog @p @praeceptor_effervescere I think you might need to spend a little more time fleshing out conservatism. Safety, for example, is literally an exercise of restriction. It’s squarely within the conservative camp of thinking, and yet you’ve placed it in the progressive camp. Exploration despite danger would be the progressive orientation. At least attempt cohesive definition if you’re going to insist on labels.