Post 1534613 by wink@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #1521636 by technomancy@icosahedron.website
2018-11-27T04:09:14Z
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back in the day I was a True Believer in open source and spent a lot of my free time on Clojure projects. nowadays if I'm coding in my free time, it's on a compiler or a game, and if I do any work on my Clojure libraries it's on the clock.leadership aside, my biggest problem with Clojure is that it only makes sense on big-iron servers, and big-iron servers don't tend to solve problems real people have; they tend to only be useful for problems software companies have.
(DIR) Post #1521651 by ehashman@toot.cat
2018-11-27T04:15:39Z
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@technomancy you're making me want to package fennel you know
(DIR) Post #1521696 by technomancy@icosahedron.website
2018-11-27T04:17:21Z
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the irony is that Rich's complaint about the community members who have given up on contributing is titled "open source isn't about you" and while he does some incredible Missing of the Point, the title is spot on. "open source" isn't about you; it's a movement to hijack the free software movement and turn it into something a company can profit from, riding on free software goodwill and stripping the political aspects that are hard to reconcile with shameless capitalism.
(DIR) Post #1521793 by technomancy@icosahedron.website
2018-11-27T04:23:40Z
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anyway writing Clojure is a decent way to make a living but it makes a lousy Cause.Clojure is open source in the same way that Android is open source: because it happens to be a practical choice for the people who created it, not because it's trying to make the world a better place.if you want that you'll need to look elsewhere, as @ehashman points out: https://toot.cat/@ehashman/101141019425416929
(DIR) Post #1521816 by technomancy@icosahedron.website
2018-11-27T04:25:29Z
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@ehashman you know where to find me. (and you could do it in a fraction of the time!)
(DIR) Post #1521871 by ehashman@toot.cat
2018-11-27T04:28:07Z
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@technomancy yes it looks so easy in comparison 😍
(DIR) Post #1530956 by wink@mastodon.social
2018-11-27T08:36:26Z
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@technomancy I think your point wrt the end users isn't very strong. If you're using Clojure for fun it doesn't have to "make sense". I've never used it for anything serious and the downside is that I need ~128MB RAM more on my VPS than when using something else. Sure, with hundreds of users hosting costs might be significantly higher, but then I still like the Java ecosystem for deps. It's not "bad enough" to be entirely discarded on that point I guess.
(DIR) Post #1530957 by ehashman@toot.cat
2018-11-27T14:05:03Z
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@wink @technomancy eh, to give you an idea of how corporate projects make it really uncomfortable for average folks to contribute:- Leiningen startup time on my 2013 laptop is almost 5s.- A project I started working on recently takes 48min to run the whole test suite.- I can't run a useful Kubernetes deployment at home.I like to play around with old computers for fun but the clear neglect of the little guy is off-putting in certain projects.
(DIR) Post #1534613 by wink@mastodon.social
2018-11-27T17:09:23Z
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@ehashman @technomancy I'm not disagreeing in principle, but in my example: if your pastime includes writing websites which (when not using fancy FaaS stuff) are started more like once per week (or less) I really don't care about startup times there if it's fun to develop. My dev environment doesn't need 5s to start...