Post 1473059 by diodelass@pleroma.ellied.net
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(DIR) Post #1473050 by diodelass@pleroma.ellied.net
2018-11-25T04:19:28.490398Z
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ME[learning about fuchsia for the first time]: oh god I hope that's not horribleME [hearing about fuchsia again a few months later]: it's gonna be horrible isn't itME [hearing more about fuchsia about a year later]: fucking bury it in the desert, holy shit
(DIR) Post #1473051 by diodelass@pleroma.ellied.net
2018-11-25T04:28:14.632815Z
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How I would be looking ahead if I were Google:- The biggest flaw in Android is that it's hackable and contains privacy features that make it possible to cripple the spyware in it- The "look but don't touch" open-source model works great, let's clamp down even harder on it- Why don't we try packaging most of the system in nice modular binary blobs, so that things like OEM drivers, platform-specific UIs, and apps are easy to install but impossible to modify- Also how about it tracks all of its activity at the kernel level and reports it directly to us, and you can't disable that without refusing network access to the kernel altogether- Sure, folks will try to fork it, but that won't go well for them if the OEM driver blobs are illegal to distribute and will only work with official signed kernels
(DIR) Post #1473057 by diodelass@pleroma.ellied.net
2018-11-25T04:40:14.019020Z
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And better yet, they don't even need to hire any copyright police to make sure you don't accidentally try to hack the driver blobs into working on an unapproved kernel - the current Android communities will handle that for them, for free.
(DIR) Post #1473058 by diodelass@pleroma.ellied.net
2018-11-25T04:45:25.968591Z
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Presumably there will be a few "community firmware blobs" available for purchase for $25-$50 to allow you to use a hacked phone, meaning thatA) no one will bother buying those, meaning that Google will be happyB) anyone producing free versions of those will be labeled as an evil pirate and summarily exiled
(DIR) Post #1473059 by diodelass@pleroma.ellied.net
2018-11-25T04:55:04.003400Z
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seriously though, we're absolutely fucked regarding OEM drivers and Fuchsia. - Zircon is MIT licensed, meaning nobody has to open-source their modifications (e.g. kernel drivers!) like they do for Linux- Vendors love to keep their firmware and drivers as locked down as possible because semiconductor IP is fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck- Zircon is being marketed as a "microkernel" meaning that it will probably contain few or no generic drivers of its own- We'll still have a little luck with RE, but RE is much harder than just working with published sourceBasically I kinda feel like we have until whenever Fuchsia takes over the market to get FOSS hardware going, because we're really going to need it after that
(DIR) Post #1474512 by wictory@aatu.icante.ventures
2018-11-25T12:35:21.492048Z
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@diodelass gotta possess that capital. (Software and IP is a part of 'Other domestic capital)http://piketty.pse.ens.fr/files/capital21c/en/pdf/F3.1.pdfhttp://piketty.pse.ens.fr/files/capital21c/en/pdf/F3.2.pdf
(DIR) Post #1479695 by hirojin@dev.glitch.social
2018-11-25T09:26:06Z
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@diodelass > vendors love to keep their firmware and drivers as locked as possible because semiconductor IPi always thought it's cuz they're ashamed of their source code
(DIR) Post #1485762 by sireebob@cybre.space
2018-11-25T16:33:32Z
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@diodelass google fuchsia is pronounced google fucks ya
(DIR) Post #1879354 by swetland@rafting.io
2018-11-25T19:23:10Z
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@diodelass I deeply appreciate the wariness about Google.All I can say is there is a team of people who are very committed to open source and open platforms working on Fuchsia and I believe the engineering team would push back hard against the dystopian future of locked down horrible vendor blob drivers.There's a lot of inspiration from the Chrome and CrOS folks here too, who are a very committed to open-source bunch.I sincerely hope we prove your worries unfounded.
(DIR) Post #1879355 by bikecurious@whomst.dog
2018-12-01T06:20:22Z
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@swetland The team your interacting with might be very committed to open source, but without the teeth the GPL provides we're stuck with driverless, tivoized hardware, leaving end users with no ability to modify their OS or the bundled shovelware atop it.Chipset manufacturers do not often release their code willingly, and making it easier to have black box drivers will only feed this issue. Google has not supported open driver projects other than leveraging their work AFAICT.