Post 1467226 by alephnull@octodon.social
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(DIR) Post #1439387 by chriswere@share.tube
2018-11-23T22:35:21.684Z
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In today's video I chat about how social media companies like Twitter and Facebook as well as others are having an effect on our lives and our mental health.The audio of this chat can be found for free on Patreonhttps://www.patreon.com/posts...
(DIR) Post #1439388 by drequivalent@mastodonsocial.ru
2018-11-23T22:54:25Z
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@chriswere 6:25> we survived many-many centuries without XSo... What? We also survived many-many-many centuries without agriculture, cities, sanitation, trains, airplanes, telephones, modern medicine, contraception and sliced bread. We probably didn't need all those things then, but once we invented them, we immideately grew to need them. Because we build our lives around what we create. So, irrelevant.
(DIR) Post #1439920 by burek@linuxrocks.online
2018-11-23T23:26:56Z
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@drequivalent @chriswere Did you just try to counter argument him by saying social media is as helpful in our daily lives as agriculture, sanitation, medicine, and telephone? I can't... 😂😂😂
(DIR) Post #1439956 by drequivalent@mastodonsocial.ru
2018-11-23T23:29:38Z
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@burek @chriswere My point is, "we've survived a long time without something" is not a good way to dismiss that something.Usefullness is not measured by time you didn't have it.
(DIR) Post #1440071 by drequivalent@mastodonsocial.ru
2018-11-23T23:34:54Z
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@burek @chriswere And yes, for some, social media is as useful as all of those things.Some people are just fucking lonely, you know. They are, or were, afraid of other people. But they are okay with letters on the screen. And that can help them overcome their fears, and make the first step towards meeting people, in real life. Some of those are among my mutual followers. Do you want to dismiss their experience?
(DIR) Post #1440124 by drequivalent@mastodonsocial.ru
2018-11-23T23:39:22Z
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@burek @chriswere (if some of you reading this, guys, shout to you, you know who you are!)
(DIR) Post #1440452 by ChrisWere@linuxrocks.online
2018-11-23T23:59:37Z
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@drequivalent I think that's a fair point.
(DIR) Post #1440487 by drequivalent@mastodonsocial.ru
2018-11-24T00:02:04Z
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@chriswere My take on this is, if we didn't need social media, they wouldn't have been a thing.The problems of social media discussed here are either problems of implementation (which is, you know, it doesn't have to be this way) or are not a properties of social media per se, but a function of human interaction - a need which social media are built to satisfy.Human interaction in any form is addictive. We fucking love to chat. To flap our chops. To chew the rags. To shoot the bull. Shit, we cannot get enogh of it.You know, work is underway to make social media that's more pure, free from market intentions, and you are on it. But please, for Jabber's sake, don't expect the result to be perfect. Because human interaction is never perfect. Because people aren't perfect.People suck, basically.Yeah.Yet, it's the only people we're gonna get, so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
(DIR) Post #1440490 by ChrisWere@linuxrocks.online
2018-11-24T00:02:14Z
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@drequivalent I think you make a fair point.
(DIR) Post #1440564 by drequivalent@mastodonsocial.ru
2018-11-24T00:07:05Z
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@chriswere > To flap our chops. To chew the rags. To shoot the bull.By the way, if anyone knows more of those, please throw them here, I want to make a little collection.
(DIR) Post #1440854 by drequivalent@mastodonsocial.ru
2018-11-24T00:19:07Z
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@chriswere also, kinda off-topic: I can't stop losing my shit over the fact that I leave messages in the Peertube video comment section by responding to it from Mastodon. I know, it's an old hat, and it's actually quite a siple thing but it's so fucking awesome, I can't eveneasdfasdagargasgasd
(DIR) Post #1440934 by bob@soc.freedombone.net
2018-11-24T00:22:02.382400Z
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@drequivalent @chriswere Thomas Hobbes.Human interaction can be addictive, but only within certain contexts. What happens in the mainstream social networks has not much to do with human interaction and a whole lot to do with keeping particular business models going, regardless of consequences.
(DIR) Post #1440935 by drequivalent@mastodonsocial.ru
2018-11-24T00:23:23Z
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@bob @chriswere those are the problems of implementation.
(DIR) Post #1441622 by drequivalent@mastodonsocial.ru
2018-11-24T00:53:24Z
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@bob @chriswere Probably, a good analogy is alcohol.There's nothing wrong with drinking. Some of us do need it from time to time (oh shit we do), and it does serve some social functions. But it's still has addictive potential, and the user should be aware when just drinking becomes a drinking problem.Now. We have large alcohol production corporations. Those are basically out for profit, they will do anything to keep the cost of production down, the prices up, and they basically don't give a shit about your health. Anything goes, sometimes even wood alcohol.And on the other hand, we have a guy or a gal who brews beer or distills drinks in their garage. Not because they are after the big buck, but because they just love doing it. Experimenting with recipes and flavors, and then taste-testing the stuff with their friends and having a good time. No one is trying to half-ass anyone or screw them out of their money (but rewards appreciated).Now, you probably see which is which here.
(DIR) Post #1441662 by drequivalent@mastodonsocial.ru
2018-11-24T00:56:23Z
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@bob @chriswere But essentially, for the end user both are just drinks, their function are just the same.
(DIR) Post #1449690 by josemanuel@mastodon.tetaneutral.net
2018-11-24T11:18:51Z
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@drequivalent> My take on this is, if we didn't need social media, they wouldn't have been a thing.Before social media, we used IRC and USENET, which in my opinion worked perfectly fine. Then came MSM and web forums, which were a first step into centralising online communications. Finally, social networks, with the help of mainstream media, almost obliterated the previous landscape.What I'm trying to say is that it wasn't an inevitability, but a fully thought out process.@chriswere
(DIR) Post #1449897 by drequivalent@mastodonsocial.ru
2018-11-24T11:35:39Z
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@josemanuelI used to be on one fandom forum. They used one topic to just say anything, usually one-line phrases. I told them - wait, this is stupid, why are we using forums for this?Then I made a Jabber conference and vast majority of people walked away with me.My point is, communication is a multifaceted thing: real-time chats, E-mail, forums and social media as you know them are very different forms of communication that meet different needs and have different requirements. Comparing one to another is quite like comparing apples, oranges, carnberries and potatos.And again, "we didn't have this and that and we were okay" is not a good argument.Also, Hanlon's razor. Seeing some kind of terrible plot in everything is just not a good strategy.@chriswere
(DIR) Post #1456955 by jeff@social.i2p.rocks
2018-11-24T17:59:23.770288Z
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@josemanuel @chriswere @drequivalent the centralization of the internet was a mistake.
(DIR) Post #1467226 by alephnull@octodon.social
2018-11-25T03:27:35Z
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@drequivalent It is somewhat hilarious to see FB and Twitter being made responsible for moderating the world. They certainly don't want the responsibility but they can't be seen to shirk it either. The flip side of making a ton of money is that you get used to it.@chriswere
(DIR) Post #1467281 by supergrover6868@freespeechextremist.com
2018-11-25T03:31:28.484164Z
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@alephnull @chriswere @drequivalent They are Accessorizing political speech at behest of a criminal Government in the USA
(DIR) Post #1472045 by josemanuel@mastodon.tetaneutral.net
2018-11-25T09:56:35Z
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@drequivalent> And again, "we didn't have this and that and we were okay" is not a good argument.Maybe that's why it wasn't my argument. It was my premise.My point was that social media was a not need anyone had. It was not something people asked for. It was something corporations created for profit.@chriswere
(DIR) Post #1472220 by josemanuel@mastodon.tetaneutral.net
2018-11-25T10:06:19Z
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@drequivalent Social media wasn't created so that lonely people would be less lonely. If anything, it has made the problem worse, since they're all based on some sort of popularity contest scheme: follower counts, blue checkmarks, shadowbanning, virality...Saying social media is useful is like saying the atomic bomb was useful just because throwing two of them ended WW2.@burek @chriswere
(DIR) Post #1473072 by drequivalent@mastodonsocial.ru
2018-11-25T10:55:23Z
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@josemanuelIn order to create profit, you gotta give people what they need, at least suprefIcially. Nobody is going to give you anything just because.Also, I think we have a definitions problem here. What do you define as "social media"? I define it as "non-real-time, non topic-specific form of public communication based on social connections". By that definition, FIDO was very much a social medium (although you probably too young to remember that). Mastodon is a social medium. Livejournal was a social medium (when it was alive). If you count only the Facebook and Twitter (which I never used and am very much opposed to using) as social media, then no. They are not the only ones, and they definitely not the first ones.@chriswere
(DIR) Post #1473152 by drequivalent@mastodonsocial.ru
2018-11-25T11:01:09Z
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@alephnullAlso, big politics gravitates towards those who are making a lot of money.@chriswere
(DIR) Post #1475425 by josemanuel@mastodon.tetaneutral.net
2018-11-25T13:24:46Z
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@drequivalent> In order to create profit, you gotta give people what they need, at least suprefIcially.No, most of the time you convince them that what you sell is what they want. A lot of people opposed mobile phones at first. There was no real need for them.> [Facebook and Twitter as social media.] They are not the only ones, and they definitely not the first ones.I know. That's why I hinted at a system evolving. They are its most successful iterations.@chriswere
(DIR) Post #1481739 by kiri@fosstodon.org
2018-11-25T18:06:52Z
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@drequivalentConsidering how everything outside the fediverse requires its own account to interact with the platform (with the exception of what disqus attempts to do), it's pretty understandable to freak out over it (I do, too). @chriswere
(DIR) Post #1481768 by drequivalent@mastodonsocial.ru
2018-11-25T18:08:26Z
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@kiri @chriswere I mean, implications of this are huge, right? We have the Social Network of Social Networks, one social media to rule them all!
(DIR) Post #1482462 by kiri@fosstodon.org
2018-11-25T18:42:12Z
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@drequivalentOf course it's gigantic, requiring multiple accounts for every other social network now seems like a huge hassle. And the only way networks outside the fediverse would be willing to match this would be if they owned every platform. And I give huge props to @chriswere for being among the first of the creators I follow that took a step to support the fediverse with his content.
(DIR) Post #9tq3uKYoNx3XnL5gVE by freebies_getreward@peertube.co.uk
2020-04-08T16:06:31.221Z
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