Post 1106222 by mdhughes@cybre.space
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(DIR) Post #1021181 by mdhughes@cybre.space
2018-11-07T00:35:15Z
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Us omnivores have heard your diatribes before, a billion times, and it's never going to be convincing. We're annoyed by you preaching your affectation because veganism is based on two fallacies: That Humans are not predatory omnivorous mammals, and that animals should not eat unintelligent prey.In fact, Humans need meat to be healthy, and it's ethical for a wolf to eat a deer, just as it is for me to eat a pig. Which I'm gonna go do now.#vegan #philosophy
(DIR) Post #1023823 by landwolf@cybre.space
2018-11-07T03:08:35Z
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@mdhughes in fact, we do not need meat to be healthy! the only thing we can't get from a diet of plants is b12, which is readily available in supplements or fortified products
(DIR) Post #1024566 by mdhughes@cybre.space
2018-11-07T03:41:44Z
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@landwolf Not correct, and every vegan looks like a famine victim.https://youtu.be/6sM8pDH-HMc
(DIR) Post #1024780 by landwolf@cybre.space
2018-11-07T03:49:50Z
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@mdhughes so then what is it? what's the magical substance that can only be found in meat that we require to be healthy?because I don't think nutritional science has found it and if you have then your research is going to make some serious waves
(DIR) Post #1104752 by pinkprius@chaos.social
2018-11-10T19:13:39Z
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@mdhughes "That Humans are not predatory omnivorous mammals [1], and that animals should not eat unintelligent prey [2]."Regarding fallacy 1 you stated: Humans are predatory omnivorous mammals, this is true obviously true and nobody would debate it. "Omnivore is a consumption classification for animals that have the capability to obtain chemical energy and nutrients from materials originating from plant and animal origin." -wikipedia
(DIR) Post #1105507 by pinkprius@chaos.social
2018-11-10T19:15:25Z
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@mdhughes Humans have the capability to eat meat, elephant, birds, pigs, other humans or the neighbors dog. That doesn't conclude in that it is moral to do so, though.
(DIR) Post #1105508 by pinkprius@chaos.social
2018-11-10T19:16:22Z
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@mdhughes Regarding fallacy 2: Animals do not have moral belief systems and some need meat to survive.
(DIR) Post #1105509 by mdhughes@cybre.space
2018-11-10T20:02:35Z
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@pinkprius Obviously, the ethics of eating something is in what you eat, not who you are. We kill animals that eat Humans, zero tolerance for it.The line normal Humans draw is that eating any unintelligent thing is ethical. If it's not, then you're just as unethical for eating plants and fungi, which are complex living beings."Morality" is a nonsense religious term, ethics is derived from reason. Get some protein so you can think clearly, and try some.
(DIR) Post #1105613 by pinkprius@chaos.social
2018-11-10T20:10:31Z
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@mdhughes lol you think I don't get enough protein? "The line normal Humans draw is that eating any unintelligent thing is ethical. If it's not, then you're just as unethical for eating plants and fungi, which are complex living beings." Not true, normal humans draw the line with beings that are able to feel pain and have sentience. This is what you will observe when confronting people with violence.
(DIR) Post #1105716 by mdhughes@cybre.space
2018-11-10T20:17:04Z
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@pinkprius So if I sedate a person, it's ethical to kill and eat them? No, clearly not. Plants do feel pain, they just can't scream; but they have no intelligence, so even vegans don't care. Normal Humans draw the line at either language or tool use.
(DIR) Post #1105773 by pinkprius@chaos.social
2018-11-10T20:19:42Z
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@mdhughes didn't I just say that it's not ethical to kill a person because people are sentient and able to feel pain? "Plants do feel pain, they just can't scream" Okay this is a bold claim, that no part of science would agree with. If plants could scream, they wouldn't.
(DIR) Post #1105822 by mdhughes@cybre.space
2018-11-10T20:21:59Z
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@pinkprius https://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,,-83446,00.html
(DIR) Post #1105905 by pinkprius@chaos.social
2018-11-10T20:25:59Z
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@mdhughes I think there was a mix up in your link. "Normal Humans draw the line at either language or tool use." Do you agree that it is ethical to inflict harm to i.e. a dog without a reason? Because that is what you are saying. Are you against animal abuse laws?
(DIR) Post #1106115 by mdhughes@cybre.space
2018-11-10T20:39:38Z
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@pinkprius Try to read and comprehend. I know the constant gnawing hunger pangs you must have make it hard.Some people draw the line at tool use, and will eat dogs, apes, dolphins, or whales. Some put it at language or near-language use, and won't. I'm not really judging that choice, though I'm in the second group. Vegans draw their line down at plants, but ignore evidence that plants feel pain, as all life does.
(DIR) Post #1106134 by pinkprius@chaos.social
2018-11-10T20:41:39Z
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@mdhughes I don't think that it shows good form to attack me as a person, implying that I am weak etc. Regardless, would you answer my question?This one: "Do you agree that it is ethical to inflict harm to i.e. a dog without a reason?"
(DIR) Post #1106222 by mdhughes@cybre.space
2018-11-10T20:47:58Z
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@pinkprius I'm not insulting you, just pointing out you're not capable of reading clear statements, and that's almost certainly down to your diet. But you're trying to insinuate I beat animals, which is ad hominem.You haven't managed to put up a single logical argument against eating unintelligent life, or any reason to draw the line where you think it should be. This is unshocking, this is how every conversation with vegans goes.
(DIR) Post #1106278 by pinkprius@chaos.social
2018-11-10T20:53:07Z
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@mdhughes "But you're trying to insinuate I beat animals, which is ad hominem."I didn't, I asked if you think it was ethical."You haven't managed to put up a single logical argument against eating unintelligent life..."I showed that your excuse to eat meat was bad, nowhere did I claim that I was making arguments against eating unintelligent life. #veganism #veganism
(DIR) Post #1106318 by pinkprius@chaos.social
2018-11-10T20:56:12Z
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@mdhughes "But you're trying to insinuate I beat animals, which is ad hominem."I didn't, I asked if you think it was ethical."You haven't managed to put up a single logical argument against eating unintelligent life..."I showed that your excuse to eat meat was bad, nowhere did I claim that I was making arguments against eating unintelligent life. #veganism #vegan