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(DIR) Post #B1yUK9XwsDdIOljLLE by contrapunctus@fe.disroot.org
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#Fediblock recommendation - @amerikaA single glance at the profile ought to be reason enough. 😅
(DIR) Post #B1yUKA7OkPzOAiJeb2 by amerika@annihilation.social
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@contrapunctus Yes, please further marginalize yourselves.
(DIR) Post #B2KUZyjH8NmUxah1Wq by dj@parcero.casa
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@contrapunctus @amerika
(DIR) Post #B2KUa2qVpPwljC6rMe by contrapunctus@fe.disroot.org
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@dj 👈 transphobic, sexist, and racist troll account#FediBlock
(DIR) Post #B2KUa3SRYOHvcpr9UG by dj@parcero.casa
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@contrapunctus No, not the fediblock!
(DIR) Post #B2KUaFXqc7k174TdZo by Owl@shitpost.cloud
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Shut up tranny nigger, I'm writing bangers.
(DIR) Post #B2KUaFyR1H0aRWus1A by dj@parcero.casa
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@Owl @contrapunctus He's a street shitter too. No wonder he needs a mask. :india_worm:
(DIR) Post #B2KUug0fvZ2Gz5hXH6 by amerika@annihilation.social
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@dj @contrapunctus @Owl @khubsuratinsaan @chojzina@kolektiva.social @pfm @retardedniggerantifa @tieflingcommunism (2).jpegits_okay_to_kill_communists.jpgcommunist.jpgcommunists_arent_people.jpg
(DIR) Post #B2KWlFfigLLUbIX6tU by amerika@annihilation.social
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@dj @contrapunctus @Owl To be anti-"racist," I have been shitting in the streets. In Austin it is not even considered odd.
(DIR) Post #B2KXhjw4JuvfG24MnA by s8n@posting.lolicon.rocks
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@contrapunctus @amerika kill yourself stinkditch nobody will love you even if you pretend to be a womanthey didn't love you before because you were a GAY MAN and they don't love you now because you're a mutilated GAY MAN
(DIR) Post #B2KXziGTGtAVHuBOFs by s8n@posting.lolicon.rocks
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@contrapunctus @amerika
(DIR) Post #B2LZyGzfZaFTU8j0nA by roland@f.haeder.net
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@contrapunctus Well, you have the #tranny flag and the #pedophilia flag in your profile, no wonder they troll you because you make a show of your sexuality. No one is interested in such things here.
(DIR) Post #B2LZyHZpP9AjIHdt9U by dj@parcero.casa
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@roland @amerika @contrapunctus No one is interested in him in real life either 😆
(DIR) Post #B2LZziOv9uKUmEDw0W by alexmussolini88@detroitriotcity.com
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@contrapunctus @amerika CHOO CHOOLAST TRAIN TO FAGGOTSVILLE LEAVIN' IN 5 MINUTES!!
(DIR) Post #B2La05QTYIEuBi807k by Deplorable_Degenerate@eveningzoo.club
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Pictured: Him trying to board the juggernaut
(DIR) Post #B2La0b2U123sEZ9IAa by alexmussolini88@detroitriotcity.com
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@contrapunctus @amerika aids kills fags dead 😌👍🏻
(DIR) Post #B2La3HAMMKzpT46vUe by alexmussolini88@detroitriotcity.com
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@contrapunctus @amerika
(DIR) Post #B2La45JzsmPl1R0KSO by Sternritter-C@nekosat.work
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@s8n @amerika @contrapunctus
(DIR) Post #B2La824tsqug7YpERM by amerika@annihilation.social
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@Deplorable_Degenerate @alexmussolini88 @contrapunctuscommunism (3).jpgcommunism_liberal_democracy.jpgcommunism_utopia.pngcommunism.png
(DIR) Post #B2LaAAXVOaE6wVDwLw by amerika@annihilation.social
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@dj @roland @contrapunctus Transsexualism is one of many ways to fail at life.
(DIR) Post #B2LaP2okO5r3KyNjEW by amerika@annihilation.social
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@dj @roland @contrapunctus What troons need to know is that we accept you, as long as you do it on your own time and keep it quiet.When you rub it into other people's faces, naturally we tire of seeing you demand that we validate your mental health problem.When you force women/girls out of their spaces so you can masturbate there, we want you dead.We accept you. We will always be disgusted by you, make fun of you, and stay away from you, but we accept that you should follow the path that makes sense to you.I do not support allowing people to bully you, or to allow you to bully others, even if passively. I have no problem talking to or interacting with a trans person. But at the end of the day, we are going different directions.t755hz65q7e61.jpgtalkwithcommunists.jpgthrow_communists_from_helicopters.jpgsatcong-carversion.png
(DIR) Post #B2Lrv51fPWsEfqHofo by roland@f.haeder.net
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@dj @amerika Now @contrapunctus calls for #fediblock me, while my instance is already blocked by several instance which I don't care. I just counter-block and make my statement in the block reason. Everyone is invited to follow my comment, ignore it or whatever.
(DIR) Post #B2Lrv5gQxxU2iHMNDU by dj@parcero.casa
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@roland @amerika @contrapunctus His manjina must be bleeding so bad. Nobody is afraid of his cries for fediblock, lol.
(DIR) Post #B2Ls3hPuYdYo3fjibI by amerika@annihilation.social
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@dj @roland @contrapunctus @dcc @p @sun Censorship just seems so juvenile to me these days, but more importantly, I think it always backfires.Technically banning different types of pornography is censorship, but I think I'm okay with that because no viewpoint is suppressed.
(DIR) Post #B2LuhoEip1PuhTkxIu by roland@f.haeder.net
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@amerika @p @dcc @dj @contrapunctus Yes, right. Banning pedophilia or gay porn (in countries as they desire) isn't banning pedophilia or gays at all. Just that - at least - I don't want my children to see such stuff when they are young. Once they are 18+, they are responsible for themselves.
(DIR) Post #B2MMOYQeASYKt7wPBo by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@amerika @dj @contrapunctus @dcc @roland @sun Well, the issue there is still what constitutes porn. Then there are secondary effects: if all porn is illegal, there's not a meaningful distinction between one type of illegal porn and other types of illegal porn.
(DIR) Post #B2MMhHrjyN4T1MXw6i by roland@f.haeder.net
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@p @contrapunctus @dcc @amerika @dj PS: Don't get me wrong: I won't let minors (-18 years old are considered by me as children, 18+ as adults) watch ANY porn, but especially not gay/pedo.
(DIR) Post #B2MN2b7LafTCoJ0YKm by yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
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@p @amerika @dcc @roland @contrapunctus @dj @sun I mean, there could be. We have class A, B and C drugs. You could have class A, B and C porn, too.
(DIR) Post #B2MN6eqjelurXlAqQa by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@yomiel @amerika @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @roland @sun How's the war on drugs working out? :cia:
(DIR) Post #B2MP1RXvtG1ukE1K8e by amerika@annihilation.social
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@p @dcc @roland @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @sun How's the war on "racism" working out? Or the war on smoking? The war on fat turned out to be paid for by the sugar industry.
(DIR) Post #B2MPBpTFnIwNqCmgFs by StarProphet@noauthority.social
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@contrapunctus @amerika The troon 🏳️⚧️ scourge.#trans #TransRightsAreHumanRights #lgbtq
(DIR) Post #B2MPE45IQrMtk9e0i8 by amerika@annihilation.social
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@StarProphet @contrapunctus Properly understood, transsexualism is very sad.No grandchildren. No happy ending. Only lots of exploitative sex and then a weird, sudden, unexplained death.
(DIR) Post #B2Mkoo0DHlddcNcxM0 by fluffy@fsebugoutzone.org
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@p @amerika @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @roland @sun :senko: *stands up* :senko: SPAM IS FREE SPEECH
(DIR) Post #B2MkpZ6u8huvik7SoC by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@fluffy @amerika @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @roland @sun :ono:
(DIR) Post #B2Mkvxr13W6ACQjsf2 by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@amerika @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @roland @sun @yomiel Well, I'm not suggesting *anything* be illegalized, so the various wars on vice are going how I expect them to: very poorly.
(DIR) Post #B2NjqYzq8vOYrQgewa by amerika@annihilation.social
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@p @dcc @roland @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @sun I favor a world where there are consequences for results, not methods.That is, maybe you needed to shoot a motherfucker, and if crime goes down radically in the neighborhood... we move on to something else to worry about.In this world, no action would be illegal or legal per se. Do all the drugs you want. But if some addict fucks up the neighborhood, we will exile, asylumize, incarcerate, or execute him.It's the return of Darwin and evil...It's the RETURN of the fire and flameIt's the RETURN of my master SatanIt's the RETURN of desire and pain(as the poet said)
(DIR) Post #B2NsdzMlgkbwT5USWG by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@amerika @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @roland @sun @yomiel > I favor a world where there are consequences for results, not methods.This post endorsed by Robert McNamara and also all communists.I mean, look at all the batshit insane shit commies do while chanting "by any means necessary!" and they do this because they think it will save the world and that there is nothing that is so evil that it shouldn't be undertaken in order to save the world.The issue is that even if you could achieve "means-to-an-end" morality (which you cannot), you will be unable to get agreement on what constitutes a "good result" and which means violated ends-in-themselves. On a practical level, you will also create a shit-ton of problems: at the surface, for one thing, you have people screwing you over for some utilitarian concept of the greater good, and then for another, you could end up getting executed a thing that eventually ends up being good *long-*term that no one but you could see as a long-term consequence.Consequentialism requires an objective measurement of outcomes (which you do not have) and a means to predict the future (which you do not have).> It's the return of Darwin and evil...It's the return of someone stealing your beer because they figure that they'd enjoy it more than you.robert_strange_mcnamara.jpg
(DIR) Post #B2NtehiUtWApyNYiB6 by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@amerika @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @roland @sun @yomiel > because they think it will save the worldOr at least piss off their dads.
(DIR) Post #B2Ny6WykoJICaxgfEO by bajax@baj.ax
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@amerika @dcc @roland @contrapunctus @p @yomiel @dj @sun the people in charge nowadays are fascinated by methods and doctrines and treating society like a cause-and-effect machine you can get whatever you want out of if you just hit all the right buttons. but it's not like that *at all.* it's a living system made up of living people. I don't know how that translates into what you should do, but near the top of the list should be to avoid alienating and depriving the very people who make your society run well.
(DIR) Post #B2Ny6XRT5YGG217azI by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@bajax @amerika @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @roland @sun @yomiel > the people in charge nowadaysPositivism, late 19th-century modernism. "Scientific governance". Then they started on the Paul Ehrlich shit. It's the last hundred years of human history.
(DIR) Post #B2NyMLVxCe9Ffil12O by All_bonesJones@shitposter.world
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@bajax @amerika @dcc @contrapunctus @p @yomiel @dj @sun In aggregate, people ARE cause-and-effect machines. The entire basis of psychology, advertising, persuasion, medicine, and even simple things like "first time's free." Individuals deviate from the pattern, but the pattern still exists. There's different midpoints of the bell curve within population groups, but the patterns hold even when applied to other species. Cause-and-effect is the most correct way to model the world. The issue is not that they have recognized this, the issue is that they're treating nations like businesses and optimizing for good numbers at the end of the fiscal year without a single thought spent about what happens after. When the long-term consequences catch up, they only know how to double down. Everything is falling apart because these retards are stealing civilization's copper wires because they didn't think about tomorrow's rolling blackouts.
(DIR) Post #B2NyMxkp1ocWGq0QUK by bajax@baj.ax
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@All_bonesJones @amerika @dcc @contrapunctus @p @yomiel @dj @sun >In aggregate, people ARE cause-and-effect machines.this is the exact belief that's at the foundation of our technocratic elites' arrogance, but it misses the fact that society is a *complex system*, not just a complicated one. even seemingly inconsequential factors that their models have no ability to account for can butterfly-effect out into huge issues later on. It's not even clear that "complex system" is strong enough of a way to even refer to it, because the study of complex systems usually assumes determinism, which I'm not sure at all applies to humans.Things like intent, trust and a feeling of commonality with the subjects' elites matter greatly, much more so than the technocrats assume. People are not dumb consumers, they can perceive cause and effect. They can recognize attempts to control them, and they will react aggressively.
(DIR) Post #B2NyrALklKTI1TgLx2 by bajax@baj.ax
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@All_bonesJones @amerika @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @p @sun @yomiel and while it's true that they are stealing our copper wires, their models don't see any reason why they shouldn't be allowed to. aluminum should work just as well, and if it starts a few fires hell, it's not *that* much of a danger, statistically speaking. Why are they getting so mad that we looted them, things aren't *that* much measurably worse since the last time looted them!
(DIR) Post #B2NyvPElM09LLxQz4K by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@bajax @All_bonesJones @amerika @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel DID SOMEBODY MENTIONsteal_his_copper.jpg
(DIR) Post #B2O0CDuWomjZ6OYKW0 by All_bonesJones@shitposter.world
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@bajax @amerika @dcc @contrapunctus @p @yomiel @dj @sun >People are not dumb consumers, they can perceive cause and effect. They can recognize attempts to control them, and they will react aggressively.Do they do so initially, or do they have to be exposed to multiple times before they get aggressive about it? If a politician breaks one promise, do they immediately drag him out of his home, or do they wait until there's a repeating pattern?If you optimize for only the end of the fiscal year instead of long-term, then they in fact never get aggressive from the ruler's PoV and no downside to their behavior "What happens after" never enters their head. It does not exist to them. We are not, at a fundamental level, disagreeing, I'm trying to explain the mechanism behind their bad rule, because their crime isn't "modeling the population," it's specifically "never modeling what happens after that."It is a prisoner's dilemma, they are assuming the population will never defect no matter how many times rulers do, and therefore defecting is the best choice and they should do it always.
(DIR) Post #B2O0QikKy7kgn7hNwW by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@All_bonesJones @bajax @amerika @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel > their crime isn't "modeling the population," it's specifically "never modeling what happens after that."I'm going to disagree. The problem isn't short- vs. long-term thinking, it's treating humanity like cattle, something to be managed.
(DIR) Post #B2O17EyJXtCItoVlhI by All_bonesJones@shitposter.world
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@bajax @amerika @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @p @sun @yomiel They are also UNWILLING to create accurate long-term models. Not incapable, unwilling. If they look at the long-term, they see a bunch of bad news that makes them look like evil retards. They don't want to feel like evil retards, so they don't look at the long-term. The behavior patterns of good long-term ruling aren't new or innovative and basically look like what every major civilization has done for thousands of years. They would be at the bottom of the totem pole in such a behavior pattern, therefore the long-term models must be fake because accepting you're an evil retarded loser who only has power because you've been screwing over the people who made civilization possible would feel awful. People avoid things that feel awful and seek things that feel good.Therefore they choose ignorance.
(DIR) Post #B2O17FVHZJZKY3w65I by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@All_bonesJones @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel > Not incapable, unwilling. If they look at the long-term, they see a bunch of bad news that makes them look like evil retards.This is the perspective of the Marco Rubio class, not the Henry Kissinger class. This is the perspective of pieces, not players.Robert McNamara, as head of the World Bank, made loans contingent on inhuman population control measures because he was a Malthusian nihilist. India starts this forced sterilization campaign, he praises it, he gets shit for doing so, and consequently, when he goes to China to do the same thing, they work out the One Child Policy rather than something with bad short-term PR.
(DIR) Post #B2O1MEULcnohkBdy6a by Ree@shitposter.world
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@All_bonesJones @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @p @sun @yomiel you have no good or evil. You only have dopamine
(DIR) Post #B2O1OTv5DsnIBMDmZk by bajax@baj.ax
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@All_bonesJones @amerika @dcc @contrapunctus @p @yomiel @dj @sun It's complicated dude. I was gonna go into a whole theory about how it might be organized, but I decided not to because it's all so speculative because these groups are by their nature so secretive.But I think you're right, this is how a huge proportion of the people who rule over us see things. But it's a lot more complicated than just this, full of gangland chimp affiliations and vows that there are extreme consequences for breaking, and everyone in the structure wants their cut and will vehemently fight for it (probably violently), making change from within nearly impossible.What's clear to me is that there's not just one force deciding things. I don't think it's sane enough for that.
(DIR) Post #B2O1VzBTNhCPAqSwBE by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@bajax @All_bonesJones @amerika @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel > it's all so speculative because these groups are by their nature so secretive.The shit they wrote before the internet, when all you had was the newspapers, none of that's secretive. You can just go read the data at the source: https://documents.worldbank.org/en/publication/documents-reports/documentdetail/473971468262456506 .
(DIR) Post #B2O2v29zYLojb8HSfA by All_bonesJones@shitposter.world
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@bajax @amerika @dcc @contrapunctus @p @yomiel @dj @sun oh 100%, i'm not providing a complete map of every individual power structure, i'm pointing at the middle of their bell curve which is why they behave that way in aggregate
(DIR) Post #B2O2vFtqTBDiD6plRI by All_bonesJones@shitposter.world
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@p @amerika @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @sun What would you suggest as an alternative? Humans are literally biologically incapable of not doing that. The amount of people that you can mentally model as people instead of as an aggregate of "the other" that you don't care about is limited to around 150. We know which region of the brain is responsible for this. Short of bioengineering massive neofrontal cortices to get around Dunbar's Number, this is how humans have to model each other. We can have guidelines like "treat the human-cattle kindly and respect their autonomy" but we're organized into groups larger than our DNA can handle.
(DIR) Post #B2O2vGKmr0lrYfRHQu by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@All_bonesJones @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel > What would you suggest as an alternative?Same thing that I always propose: that they stop and that any time a psychopath tries to "manage" the populace, he pisses his pants at the end of a rope. "I am a man and not a piano key" etc.> The amount of people that you can mentally model as people instead of as an aggregate of "the other" that you don't care about is limited to around 150.I'm aware of Dunbar's number.> this is how humans have to model each otherThis is how you and I have to model society. This does not mean that some psychopath gets the reins and presumes to decide for humanity. Governments have not only increased in size but also in scope. You're saying "Well, Stalin had to because he couldn't manage a personal relationship with all of the people in Russia" and I'm saying very directly that it was a mistake to try to manage which city makes boots and how many cows you get to own.> We can have guidelines like "treat the human-cattle kindly and respect their autonomy" but we're organized into groups larger than our DNA can handle.This is exactly the problem. You have to reduce scope as you increase scale.
(DIR) Post #B2O38xwO2OJAZ8YnPU by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@All_bonesJones @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel > This is exactly the problem. You have to reduce scope as you increase scale. Is Elon managing Twitter as well as 30k admins manage 30k fedi instances? And that's just "shitpost website of waifus and dick jokes". Some shitty admins make shitty decisions on fedi and the rest of us can just *ignore* the decisions.
(DIR) Post #B2O3DgKwupSPPsIXEe by bajax@baj.ax
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@p @amerika @dcc @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun yes. people will always resent being controlled. it's in our genes-- we know on a very deep level that if we aren't the ones deciding our own fate, we will very soon go extinct. It's a very deep motivational state that demands redress, it's not something you can be convinced to just let go of because they give you a couple fun diversions, even if it's much easier to do so on a personal level.Shower upon him every earthly blessing, drown him in a sea of happiness, so that nothing but bubbles of bliss can be seen on the surface; give him economic prosperity, such that he should have nothing else to do but sleep, eat cakes and busy himself with the continuation of his species, and even then out of sheer ingratitude, sheer spite, man would play you some nasty trick. He would even risk his cakes and would deliberately desire the most fatal rubbish, the most uneconomical absurdity, simply to introduce into all this positive good sense his fatal fantastic element. It is just his fantastic dreams, his vulgar folly that he will desire to retain, simply in order to prove to himself--as though that were so necessary-- that men still are men and not the keys of a piano
(DIR) Post #B2O3k1S1wtSQAS208W by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@bajax @All_bonesJones @amerika @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel I didn't have the whole piano key quote handy but NOW I DO and you will have to take responsibility for that.:kissingercalling: You can't just let a guy say a thing!kamala_demands_speech_regulation.mp4
(DIR) Post #B2O3pX7dckM7qF7Xpg by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@bajax @All_bonesJones @amerika @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel I didn't have the whole piano key quote handy but NOW I DO and you will have to take responsibility for that.:kissingercalling: You can't just let a guy say a thing!kamala_demands_speech_regulation.mp4
(DIR) Post #B2O3q1zYqpJZaAa22y by bajax@baj.ax
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@All_bonesJones @amerika @dcc @contrapunctus @p @yomiel @dj @sun You don't have to model individual people. You just have to give them a game they can win, and not rig the outcome in pursuit of some administrative goal.
(DIR) Post #B2O426xKDlZKS8IK36 by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@NonPlayableClown @bajax @amerika @dcc @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun Yes, I will.justworks.pngworks_cited.png
(DIR) Post #B2O48CpxGgH4Qjkm2a by bajax@baj.ax
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@All_bonesJones @amerika @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @p @sun @yomiel (now whether it's possible to run a massive society like ours that way long term idk)
(DIR) Post #B2O4AdR1Lh3DV8FUdk by All_bonesJones@shitposter.world
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@bajax @amerika @dcc @contrapunctus @p @yomiel @dj @sun Sure, but that's the good long-term ruling patterns I was talking about earlier. You don't need to know every legionnaire, just create a system that allows them to prove merit, and war is one of the most useful metrics for testing capability because of how it specifically rewards long-term planning, logistics, and knowing how to lead men.
(DIR) Post #B2O4LTpNPNp8tGoQts by All_bonesJones@shitposter.world
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@p @amerika @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @sun i think the disagreement here comes on what each of us defines as long-term, since i'm talking 80+ years ahead minimum
(DIR) Post #B2O4LURf72Rso0j0Zk by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@All_bonesJones @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel I'm talking about the impulse that has been the enemy of humanity since the middle of the 19th century so yes, more than 80 years. We are still shoveling the shit that blew out of FDR's asshole onto the country.
(DIR) Post #B2O4YRVfKzmPSxm2ng by All_bonesJones@shitposter.world
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@bajax @amerika @dcc @contrapunctus @p @yomiel @dj @sun i don't think it is lmao, we can start colonizing space or return to monkewe're in a mouse utopia experiment but the utopia falls apart with too much infighting so extinction is extremely improbable
(DIR) Post #B2O4YS0VUKRx0cCfs8 by bajax@baj.ax
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@All_bonesJones @amerika @dcc @contrapunctus @p @yomiel @dj @sun yeah probably
(DIR) Post #B2O4aG4Gqi0cYipGHw by Ree@shitposter.world
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@All_bonesJones @bajax @amerika @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @p @sun @yomiel nah just nuke each other
(DIR) Post #B2O4kICblgGA4hVhdg by All_bonesJones@shitposter.world
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@p @amerika @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @sun Sorry, are you proposing the solution is to limit groups to the scale of Dunbar's number, or are you proposing "kill sociopaths," or both?
(DIR) Post #B2O4kIm3dscFqe60tU by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@All_bonesJones @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel > Sorry, are you proposing the solution is to limit groups to the scale of Dunbar's number, or are you proposing "kill sociopaths," or both?"You have to reduce scope as you increase scale." and also, being an American, I have an impulse to shoot at kings.
(DIR) Post #B2O5E0SEJrEviYzBiq by All_bonesJones@shitposter.world
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@p @amerika @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @sun That doesn't quite answer my question. I'm trying to understand exactly what it is you're trying to propose, here.
(DIR) Post #B2O6MFwygoV433rjm4 by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@All_bonesJones @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel > That doesn't quite answer my question. I'm trying to understand exactly what it is you're trying to propose, here.I thought it was clear; maybe not. I will try to be explicit.As your proximity to a problem decreases (and Dunbar's number sets a cliff), your ability to make reasonable decisions about that problem decreases exponentially. So people ought not to make decisions like that.People will try to make decisions like that, and where they can't use guns, they use PR. Those people need a blindfold and a cigarette. The IMF and WBG and the organization set up to be their PR wing (that is, the UN) ought to be burned to the ground.I believe humans have the right to ignore orders from strangers. The ways of God may be mysterious, but God didn't airdrop 20,000 Haitians on a rural Ohio city that only had 40,000 people to begin with, God didn't send the CIA to the poppy fields, God doesn't run the IMF, God didn't Agenda 2030 anybody, God didn't promise me that New York would be underwater by 2010: we're not dealing with gods, we're dealing with men. As autocrats that don't have any superhuman capacity for perception or reasoning, they do not have license to work in mysterious ways any more than I do. But if I go about my business, it doesn't stop them: their business is to stop me from doing what I intend to do. This is inexcusable, unforgivable. This is evil.abramovic_and_rothschild.jpg
(DIR) Post #B2O6ZuKzqEOJ4XbrfM by lolitechengineer@loli.church
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@p@fsebugoutzone.org @All_bonesJones@shitposter.world @amerika@annihilation.social @bajax@baj.ax @contrapunctus@fe.disroot.org @dcc@annihilation.social @dj@parcero.casa @sun@shitposter.world @yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe groups...
(DIR) Post #B2O6lrJWuQVVAZceky by Ree@shitposter.world
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@All_bonesJones @p @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel cool you blocked me
(DIR) Post #B2O8JvNiOOo1aJO6BE by All_bonesJones@shitposter.world
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@p @amerika @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @sun So... don't organize above Dunbar's number? That's what this says to me:>As your proximity to a problem decreases (and Dunbar's number sets a cliff), your ability to make reasonable decisions about that problem decreases exponentially. So people ought not to make decisions like that.Because that runs into the immediate issue that, in fact, nature selects for larger organization. The guy with an army bigger than Dunbar's number crushes the ones that don't organize past that, and regardless of whether or not you feel that's appropriate and just, it is the physical reality we are stuck dealing with and wishing it away doesn't work.
(DIR) Post #B2O8Jvv2OVSdFeyi7U by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@All_bonesJones @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel > So... don't organize above Dunbar's number?"Scope decreases". I had a terrible gas station cigar this morning after breakfast: because it didn't affect anyone else, I didn't have to listen to anyone's opinion on the matter. If I've blown smoke in someone's face or I have a friend or family member that thinks I shouldn't, you know, that person can have an opinion about it. If I put microplastics in their water, people can have opinions about that. I have opinions about that. There are robbery and theft. There are opinions I put onto the internets. The difference is the scope. Some schools of thought do not recognize limits to authority: they do not see a difference in prohibiting me from posting my wrongthink while smoking a terrible gas station cigar (it was a Swisher, the kind that, when you buy it, the guy says "We sell rolling papers" because nobody actually smokes these things) and prohibiting me from killing people or putting microplastics in the water. Family organization, right, most people intuitively understand that interfering with it is a government exceeding its scope, but at present, find a government that *doesn't* want to fuck with that.Lenin wrote this tortured essay about whether or not owning a cat was a counterrevolutionary act. *Is* having a cat reactionary? The question is goddamn stupid: obviously, politics do not apply there. But if you don't recognize a limit to the scope of your political philosophy (and Marxism explicitly does not, which is how we got Lysenkoism, because plants have to be inherently communist), then you can ask that question with a straight face. You won't get a sensible answer because it's a senseless question, but you have people trying to answer it because they're too stupid to recognize that there is a line somewhere.
(DIR) Post #B2ODQOrEDJruVl6DlA by All_bonesJones@shitposter.world
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@p @amerika @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @sun So you're saying that people should have less power to act when they have more power over people?...If this is a correct summary of your stance, this is just kicking the can down the road, you've shifted the power struggle into the definition of appropriate scope, thereby made whoever defines scope the true sovereign. You've made him less accountable and provided no way to draw the boundary line, and even if you did, the act of drawing boundary lines would be the nexus of power. The act of drawing those lines would require a large-scale institution to enforce those definitions. It's a nice-sounding philosophical conclusion devoid of practical implementation. Any sovereign who defines their own overreach as within the scope now has a perfect ideological shield and can label all resistance as an attack on order itself. This is "kings but they can hide in the shadow," which is the exact problem we have today.
(DIR) Post #B2ODQPKITF7XxuhR4K by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@All_bonesJones @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel > So you're sayingAlways really excited to see a message that starts with this.> ...If this is a correct summary of your stance, this is just kicking the can down the road, you've shifted the power struggle into the definition of appropriate scope, thereby made whoever defines scope the true sovereign.I begin to think this is deliberate: you're attempting to find fault in the manifestly obvious and that is why you've got so much trouble understanding.To address that concern, I have not kicked any cans anywhere, no. It is absurd. "If you don't accept a dictator, you've just turned someone else into a shadow dictator!" Who has authority over whether or not you jerk off before bed? Who are you willing to listen to if they tell you which you have to do? It seems like a personal decision: how you feel that day, your general personal preferences, your religion, anyone that has to share a room with you, you know. Who decides your religion? Who has the authority to tell you what to believe?> It's a nice-sounding philosophical conclusion devoid of practical implementation.The "practical implementation" is "all of goddamn human history until we built the mass media and the surveillance state".> Any sovereign who defines their own overreach as within the scopeIn the US, historically, we have used the constitution and separation of powers for this. These have not stood up to the persistent onslaught of the psychopaths once mass media existed, and this is why they have insisted on the internet becoming a mall: they want the "misinformation" censored, they want the official story pushed. You think this is fine? You think it's okay to have wrongthink? You think there should be no limits on authority? You think the limits on authority require an authority-authority rather than a manifestly obvious line between what is others' business and what is your own? I don't know (or don't remember) where you're from but I hope they don't let serfs vote.
(DIR) Post #B2OEX31Ju0mWlWYNN2 by All_bonesJones@shitposter.world
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@p @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel if you want a practical implementation of the broad strokes of your idea, it's likely easier to just accept that there will always be a sovereign and define scope by the immediate people around thema baron orders the peasants, an earl rules the barons, etc up to king. a king has no direct authority over the peasants, but can indirectly rule them by assigning orders to dukes which get filtered down (eg, king orders 10% more tax revenue, dukes have to figure out how to collect that from their underlings, etc.) because of the immediacy of each layer of authority, a truly bad ruler could be ousted by sufficiently motivated underlings who accept the personal cost of rebellion is lower than the cost of obeyingbut then you just kind of wind up with "monarchy, but honest"
(DIR) Post #B2OEX3YzsniiRyJGrY by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@All_bonesJones @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel > if you want a practical implementation of the broad strokes of your idea, it's likely easier to just accept that there will always be a sovereign and define scope by the immediate people around themI'm the sovereign. Don't believe me? Ask your wife who got prima noctem.
(DIR) Post #B2OEd899ku3aP07SQS by Ree@shitposter.world
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@All_bonesJones @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @p @sun @yomiel hello Autism my old friend.
(DIR) Post #B2OElI40lgb7TZbUem by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@Ree @All_bonesJones @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel "Feudalism wasn't so bad, probably." That's not autism, it's bitchmade.
(DIR) Post #B2OEmipCkwdUlQMQQy by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@NonPlayableClown @amerika @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun PENNIES ARE MADE FROM ZINC
(DIR) Post #B2OFAASSBQNX7utmq0 by pwm@darkdork.dev
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@p @amerika @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @Ree @sun "in feudalism I would have been the guy on top"Yeah ok buddy
(DIR) Post #B2OFhtjmr7gB7C5eeu by Ree@shitposter.world
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@p @amerika @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj guy is a Internet tough guy who thinks he is 200 IQ. I'll be honest I know I'm not the smartest tool in the shed but I don't pretend to be and always learning. Totally not the same
(DIR) Post #B2OFjMaj3zVAtRYCfY by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@pwm @All_bonesJones @Ree @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel I shall have the prima noctem!
(DIR) Post #B2OGAL2sv1V1uxaIgy by All_bonesJones@shitposter.world
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@p @amerika @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @sun >I begin to think this is deliberate: you're attempting to find fault in the manifestly obvious and that is why you've got so much trouble understanding.I would literally never waste the time or effort to do this. Incredibly disrespectful to suggest that and a lazy way to dismiss a substantive point.>Who has authority over whether or not you jerk off before bed? Who are you willing to listen to if they tell you which you have to do? It seems like a personal decision: how you feel that day, your general personal preferences, your religion, anyone that has to share a room with you, you know. Who decides your religion? Who has the authority to tell you what to believe?Anyone with enough violence to coerce you. That is how literally all governance has worked in the entire history of forever with zero exceptions. Your prior cat example is exactly what I'm talking about. Communists had enough concentrated violence that the question of pet ownership could even be challenged. There is no magic, pre-political boundary between private and public.What you are mistaking for that boundary is a cost-benefit analysis of enforcement. It has generally been too difficult and costly to police what people do alone in their rooms, which created the illusion of a sacred private sphere. It's a question of logistics, not some magic inherent truth. The line is power and power alone.>You think this is fine? You think it's okay to have wrongthink? You think there should be no limits on authority? You think the limits on authority require an authority-authority rather than a manifestly obvious line between what is others' business and what is your own? This is the oldest dodge in the book: "You pointed out bad news, therefore you like bad news, therefore you are a big meanie, which is worse than being wrong, because nothing is real and only opinions matter." Like, come on dude. I am describing what IS, not what you think OUGHT. I do not advocate on behalf of reality, I attempt to describe it and make plans AROUND it.Your ideal requires its own sovereign to define and defend its scope. That sovereign, like all sovereigns, will be defined by violence. You did not solve the problem. You renamed the king "The Defender of the Manifestly Obvious" and are now angry at me for pointing out that he wears a crown and carries a sword.
(DIR) Post #B2OGALXj4MAZSc0vlQ by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@All_bonesJones @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel > Incredibly disrespectful to suggest that and a lazy way to dismiss a substantive point.Not only did I address the point, but I later added further disrespect by telling you about the time I fucked your wife.> Anyone with enough violence to coerce you.Nobody has enough violence to coerce me. They don't make enough violence. The world's supply of violence would be exhausted.This is not a substantive point. Prima noctem'd.> Your prior cat example is exactly what I'm talking about. Communists had enough concentrated violence that the question of pet ownership could even be challenged.It was an illustration of a mass-murderer engaged in philosophical gymnastics. But if that's how we're doing this, I guess that's how we're doing this. So, violence is all that matters, and I decline to give a shit what you've said until you come use violence to enforce it.
(DIR) Post #B2OGo685nNKDEvylXM by vii@dsmc.space
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@p @amerika @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun p, 2026 (colorized)
(DIR) Post #B2OGoGzzNqNYwzGwvw by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@Ree @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @yomiel I will give him credit for trying to continue after my prima noctem remark but there's a distinctly German smell.
(DIR) Post #B2OHHG9LcSbwiOTIVU by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@vii @All_bonesJones @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomielbigsnek.png
(DIR) Post #B2OHnaY7JHALFXTNL6 by All_bonesJones@shitposter.world
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@p @amerika @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @sun I mean, you are correct and demonstrating my point:I lack the violence needed to stop your angry temper tantrum. So I guess have fun pissing your diaper over someone pointing out contradictions that were obvious to everyone but you.
(DIR) Post #B2OHnb1BZCPyhh4aeG by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@All_bonesJones @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel > I lack the violence needed to stop your angry temper tantrum.You lack the coping skills to read a casual dismissal from a man that doesn't have to listen to you because he fucked your wife. If it helps to think I'm upset, feel free, but fundamentally, it is ridiculous to ever try to argue with someone that thinks the king should decide what he thinks.we_want_an_authoritarian_new_world_order.jpg
(DIR) Post #B2OHs3l8eLAd08hBaq by Ree@shitposter.world
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@p @amerika @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj I wish I could tell him no one gives a fuck and he could be working on his game I doubt he is going to finish. The other day he was going off about rewriting java and making an emulator in it and he says I'm annoying and a bot lol. I'm not even mad I've been chill all day watching a vintage story vod and might just lay in bed whatever is left of my day.
(DIR) Post #B2OHyp3Nivj3Q3SAhU by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@Ree @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @yomiel > he could be working on his gameWell, anyone engaged in recreation could be working, but everyone's gotta stretch their brain out once in a while.> rewriting java and making an emulator in itThat sounds more interesting than "Let's do feudalism!"
(DIR) Post #B2OI6MT3tAkb4w3m40 by Ree@shitposter.world
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@p @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @yomiel I don't know if talking behind is back is cool but I don't care anymore. Atleast I'm authentic.
(DIR) Post #B2OIqvSW7migvH0bWy by bajax@baj.ax
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@All_bonesJones @amerika @dcc @contrapunctus @p @yomiel @dj @sun better way to frame it might be decentralization
(DIR) Post #B2OIrKrteYsLjE4j3o by Ree@shitposter.world
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@p @amerika @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj i can see one day we have ai replacing politicians and let the people vote on the laws but I can see not in our life time or when we're old and senile not when I'm joking about it.
(DIR) Post #B2OK37gka5LQHV2vM8 by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@Ree @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @yomiel > let the people vote on the lawsThis is as bad in most cases. I mean, September 12, 2001, you could get most of the country to vote yes on any war with anyone. Federalist 51 deals with this; representative democracy is explicitly designed as a hedge against mob tyranny.federalist.txt
(DIR) Post #B2OL5M1gLS7fHXSrp2 by All_bonesJones@shitposter.world
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@p @amerika @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @sun Do you genuinely believe everyone here is too stupid to see you swapping 'is' for 'ought' the moment you lost the argument?
(DIR) Post #B2OL5Ma4Hbd10BYKQ4 by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@All_bonesJones @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel Do you genuinely believe I didn't fuck your wife?Hey, Rees says that you were rambling about Java and emulation instead of "Let's bring back feudalism because of that time that @p fucked my wife" and that's more interesting and I'll discuss that with you but I really can't take your politics seriously.> the moment you lost the argument?Upon discovering that you had spent several messages demanding that I clarify what I meant by "we shoot kings" and then started on "Unironically, I want kings" after the "So you're saying" bit. You were trying to win an internet argument, not actually discuss anything, or you would have said what you thought before saying "I DON'T KNOW WHAT 'SCOPE' IS" repeatedly. Fuck that, man: I wasted time talking about this when I could have been getting prima noctem on your wife again.Ultimately, I have no investment in winning an internet argument. I like to talk about ideas. I'll talk about monarchy with @amerika because he's got interesting ideas. You do not: anyone whose big political idea is "But someone could shoot you" is fucking vapid. Welcome to the very first goddamn political idea anyone ever fucking had: you wanna move down the chain of reasoning with the rest of us at any point, sure, but as is, this is goddamn pointless.I hope that answers your question. Please tell your wife I'll be by later.
(DIR) Post #B2OLpc2v7DEEHu6Lvk by Ree@shitposter.world
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@All_bonesJones @p @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel yet your the retard who keeps talking
(DIR) Post #B2OMdFtRkkXo3rLFUu by Ree@shitposter.world
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@p @amerika @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun oh shit
(DIR) Post #B2ONcc7pi2K2g3KS36 by amerika@annihilation.social
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@p @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun "As autocrats that don't have any superhuman capacity for perception or reasoning"This is an assumption.
(DIR) Post #B2ONlsh7TVbofiFjk0 by amerika@annihilation.social
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@p @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun "You have to reduce scope as you increase scale."Culture is the best method, since it consists of shared values not imposed ideologies like "freedom."
(DIR) Post #B2ONs2il6rtjVPxRKa by amerika@annihilation.social
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@p @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun As a Malthusian Darwinist nihilist, I would like to point out that McNamara was motivated by democratic humanitarian desires, while I am motivated by naturalistic ones.They feed you soylent to make more people survive; I feed you human meat hot dogs because it's funny.
(DIR) Post #B2ONv8bHhs0CbpwBKy by amerika@annihilation.social
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@p @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun "something to be managed"Thus: means-over-ends thinking. Externalization. Rationalization. All products of human individualism.Good analysis.
(DIR) Post #B2ONyhbG2GIM1kcmTg by amerika@annihilation.social
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@p @dcc @bajax @roland @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @sun No, it is far more ancient than that. Plato described exactly what is happening now, based on events thousands of years before he was writing 2400 years ago.
(DIR) Post #B2OO4rPQThoCBg1j4S by amerika@annihilation.social
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@p @dcc @roland @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @sun "unable to get agreement"The less agreement, often the closer one is to a more realistic take on the situation.Humans are inherently anti-realistic, and are not equal.
(DIR) Post #B2OOAJcZ0x9R8IlzTU by All_bonesJones@shitposter.world
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@p @amerika @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @sun >Upon discovering that you had spent several messages demanding that I clarify what I meant by "we shoot kings" and then started on "Unironically, I want kings"You're really desperate to avoid the difference between "is" and "ought," huh? It's not clever. That's the standard panic move of someone whose borrowed ideology just hit a wall.
(DIR) Post #B2OOAK4DM9GkW3i4Zc by dcc@annihilation.social
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@All_bonesJones @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @p @yomiel @dj @sun I think you both lost the plot lol.Why don't we all just agree that 90% of people are retarded and call it a day.what_the_fuck_are_these_people_talking_about.png
(DIR) Post #B2OOBGk3ClCGUbjIps by amerika@annihilation.social
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@dcc @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dj @p @sun @yomiel Eugenics is necessary. Cull the weak.
(DIR) Post #B2OOOPqceziEV04YjI by dcc@annihilation.social
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@amerika @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dj @p @sun @yomiel Natural selection*no_sex_discrimination.jpg
(DIR) Post #B2OOOQWo89SMbpoFU0 by amerika@annihilation.social
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@dcc @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dj @p @sun @yomiel Only works in an actual natural environment
(DIR) Post #B2OOWloOsjimw716BM by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@Ree @All_bonesJones @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel I will turn this thread into a good thread with my own two hands.
(DIR) Post #B2OQFJF23KbFJPH8CG by Ree@shitposter.world
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@All_bonesJones @p @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel bro he fucked your wife.
(DIR) Post #B2OQGEL1liGQOVWDxI by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@Ree @All_bonesJones @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel It had to be done.
(DIR) Post #B2OQGjLSUA1oYoxVQm by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@All_bonesJones @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel > You're really desperate to avoid the difference between "is" and "ought," huh?You're trying to bait an incorrect response because you're an internet retard. After you started discussing feudalism as if "delegation" were a new and exciting idea (just assume that I've read Exodus 18:21), I checked out. Apologies if I misrepresented a thing I don't care about, but not really strong apologies of any sort, just like, the kind of apology a corporation does on Twitter. Imagine I said "We apologize for all of the confusion that people experienced and we really need to learn a lot about messaging!" Imagine I typed that while fucking your wife. (I didn't: I stayed in the moment the whole time. But imagine that I did.)> It's not clever.No, none of this is clever.> That's the standard panic move of someone whose borrowed ideology just hit a wall.I think you don't know who I am if you think that I am capable of panicking over a dipshit internet argument. You made the mistake of getting your ego invested in an internet argument, and then, to make matters worse, I fucked your wife. I'm sorry about the confusion you experienced around my messaging.I didn't want to explain land ownership and taxation to you from first principles and I can't think of a bigger downgrade to the thread than to listen to your goddamn fantasy LARP about kangz. Here's a book, print it out and cram it up your asshole while I fuck your wife.seeing_like_a_state.epub
(DIR) Post #B2OQL9COIta5u2p8L2 by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@amerika @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel > This is an assumption. I have no reason to believe otherwise.
(DIR) Post #B2OQPRebd8CeIa4QFM by amerika@annihilation.social
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@p @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun And then the Bell Curve descended...
(DIR) Post #B2OQUngt7pIU5ngvtg by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@dcc @All_bonesJones @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dj @sun @yomiel No, you can just see the "what about feudalism" fall out of his mouth and then I say basically nothing productive after that.> Why don't we all just agree that 90% of people are retarded and call it a day.Because I fucked his wife.
(DIR) Post #B2OQZQeKDgmG4xhRFQ by amerika@annihilation.social
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@p @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun Rip the sacred fleshSodomize the holy assholeDrink the red blood of the mother of earthMasturbation on the dead body of christThe king of Jews is deadand so are the liesVomit on the host of HeavenMasturbate on the throne of GodBreak the seals of angelsDrink the sweet blood of ChristTaste the flesh of the priestSodomize holy nunsThe king of Jews is a liarThe Heavens will burnDethrone the son of GodGod is deadHolyness is gonePurity is gonePrayers are burnedCovered in black shitRape the holy ghostUnclean birth of Jesus ChristHeaven will fallFuck the churchFuck ChristFuck the VirginFuck the gods of HeavenFuck the name of Jesushttps://www.anus.com/metal/havohej.txt
(DIR) Post #B2OQbRGYtj2eZSXj3w by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@amerika @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel > shared values not imposed ideologies like "freedom." Liberty is a value.
(DIR) Post #B2OQfn5ZhegNPZTlQG by amerika@annihilation.social
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@p @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun No, it's a method.
(DIR) Post #B2OQqEV8diZDKDPoau by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@amerika @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel > McNamara was motivated by democratic humanitarian desiresOr psychopathy. They're hard to distinguish sometimes.> They feed you soylent to make more people survive; I feed you human meat hot dogs because it's funny.IS THAT WHY TACO CABANA TASTED SO GOOD
(DIR) Post #B2OQsjZQ635eGNbvHs by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@amerika @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel Rationalization is ends-over-means.
(DIR) Post #B2OQsvi0xv5xuVixLk by amerika@annihilation.social
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@p @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun RIP Kirby Taco Cabana 1980-2025
(DIR) Post #B2OQwZ0DKULOe6yASG by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @roland @sun @yomiel They didn't run the entire world when Plato was writing.
(DIR) Post #B2OQwdaAIlTiqlow2y by amerika@annihilation.social
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@p @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun Technically, addiction to symbols (freedom, equality, sociailsm, Christ) is a paraphilia.
(DIR) Post #B2OQzoZxs9N7pCF3aK by amerika@annihilation.social
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@p @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun Platonic analysis: it is means-over-ends, since rationalization requires accepting a current state or symbol as good and then fitting what else one knows into that rubric.
(DIR) Post #B2OR3fGkQd0g6o5aJU by amerika@annihilation.social
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@p @dcc @bajax @roland @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @sun Who is "They" again?I think it's the voters and consumers.We have "freedom," it's just that people use it to bash each other down so that none rise above.
(DIR) Post #B2OR7pp38LkNzu7cbA by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@amerika @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @roland @sun @yomiel > The less agreement, often the closer one is to a more realistic take on the situation.You have to have some sort of buy-in on the basic framework of your society.> Humans are inherently anti-realistic, and are not equal.Equality under the law, that is, everyone playing by the same rules, is a different thing from the Harrison Bergeron thing you're talking about.
(DIR) Post #B2ORI5czDxzvufMy5w by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@amerika @dcc @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dj @sun @yomiel You don't need eugenics: just legalize drugs and dynamite and whatever else. You know why we have so few Uncle Teds? Because most people that try to learn bomb-making blow themselves up before hurting anyone else. You don't need to "cull" anyone. Just stop trying to protect people from winning Darwin Awards.
(DIR) Post #B2ORJ3tj8r2WpxfBWC by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@amerika @dcc @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dj @sun @yomiel You don't need eugenics: just legalize drugs and dynamite and whatever else. You know why we have so few Uncle Teds? Because most people that try to learn bomb-making blow themselves up before hurting anyone else. You don't need to "cull" anyone. Just stop trying to protect people from winning Darwin Awards.
(DIR) Post #B2ORM8as8gRkGnJK9A by amerika@annihilation.social
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@p @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun I wish I could believe, but most people never do anything but what they are told or what their social group reinforces. Eugenics is required to cull the many weak in jobs and social groups.
(DIR) Post #B2OS00kaif2XWmrzUm by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@amerika @dcc @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dj @sun @yomiel "You see, inside the comfort of the anthill, the ant doesn't experience nature as it would. Anthills aren't the natural state of the ant."
(DIR) Post #B2OS3Oj62AcekxmlJw by amerika@annihilation.social
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@p @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun Ants leave the hill. Humans exist in regulated hills called cities.
(DIR) Post #B2OSFKvlyISQSZPKoi by dcc@annihilation.social
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@amerika @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dj @p @sun @yomiel The once child policy is not working out well.china.png
(DIR) Post #B2OUIgknUTLKv503wu by Ree@shitposter.world
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@dcc @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @p @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun
(DIR) Post #B2OUJQ3T3u13Q156nY by All_bonesJones@shitposter.world
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@amerika @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @p @yomiel @dj @sun Hardly. Culture is a form of eugenics. Whatever traits people worship get promoted, whatever ones they condemn don't. Culture and eugenics aren't separated mechanisms.
(DIR) Post #B2OUJQYfBuyAylg1QG by Ree@shitposter.world
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@All_bonesJones @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @p @sun @yomiel america has no culture
(DIR) Post #B2OUVHxuxqtXnw94KW by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@Ree @All_bonesJones @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel Then explain Patrice O'Neal.
(DIR) Post #B2OUe6K7cN50IujVk8 by bajax@baj.ax
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@All_bonesJones @amerika @dcc @contrapunctus @p @yomiel @dj @sun I think you bit in and held on when you shouldn't have, and like a dog latched onto a car's back bumper, you got dragged through the mud as a result. Not saying you're dumb or anything of the kind. But when you felt control of the argument slipping away, you should have leaned back, asked questions. You should have followed the other guy through the implications of his ideas so that if you did turn out to be wrong, or at least unable to really defend your intuitions, you'd be able to figure out why on your own. Either change your mind or come up with better arguemnts-- hell I'm sure p would have obliged you at a later date and time. Instead you tried to take a shoddy shortcut to score points and lost face as a result.
(DIR) Post #B2OUktjsnypxIj1WqW by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@bajax @All_bonesJones @amerika @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel > hell I'm sure p would have obliged you at a later date and time.I have the autism and I would rather kill myself than be bored.
(DIR) Post #B2OUlSDUcOiyEP8eie by bajax@baj.ax
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@Ree @amerika @dcc @contrapunctus @p @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun nah it has a culture alright, it's just a kinda agglomerated chimeric deformed mutt of a culture
(DIR) Post #B2OUnOUfQnlRGQ649I by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@bajax @Ree @All_bonesJones @amerika @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel That's literally every culture.
(DIR) Post #B2OUo0CvDE9GEO5QlU by Ree@shitposter.world
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@bajax @amerika @dcc @contrapunctus @p @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun I guess generations of inbreeding ruined it
(DIR) Post #B2OUp7MC7FZ2h7xJIW by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@Ree @bajax @All_bonesJones @amerika @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel That's *Europe's* culture.
(DIR) Post #B2OUuEnRsoilDS93I0 by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@amerika @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel I said "not superhuman" rather than "not on the far right side of the Bell curve".
(DIR) Post #B2OUyOabPpkCkK7R5M by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@amerika @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel > anus.comI *still*--STILL!--
(DIR) Post #B2OV1oAMmIiywLTTcm by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@amerika @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel No, it is a value. It is an end in itself, not a means to an end.
(DIR) Post #B2OVF46Cqpoa7TqlGK by Ree@shitposter.world
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@p @amerika @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun I don't think he could fuck his wife because he is a skeleton and they don't have penises.
(DIR) Post #B2OVF4Zd5RLnajcG7k by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@Ree @All_bonesJones @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel It's the worst part about being a skeleton man and it is why they are all very crabby low-level enemies in RPG games.
(DIR) Post #B2OVyoEQB7UIEDVMno by All_bonesJones@shitposter.world
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@bajax @amerika @dcc @contrapunctus @p @yomiel @dj @sun That's an interesting interpretation because that's not what I experienced at all. I asked him repeatedly to clarify what he believed needed to be done, that is, what he believed needed to be implemented, which is why I prefaced with "if this is a correct summary of your stance." I was trying to give him as much space as possible to correct me if I misunderstood him, and he replied by accusing me of bad faith and insulting me. Afterwards, he started intentionally misunderstanding what I had actually said (deliberately conflating is-ought) to protect his own ego. That's all I saw, at least.
(DIR) Post #B2OVyohUR2jvgN6a6y by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@All_bonesJones @bajax @amerika @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel > I asked him repeatedly to clarify what he believed needed to be doneI answered and then answered again *after* saying "I don't know how to be any clearer."> why I prefaced with "if this is a correct summary of your stance."No, "So you're saying". I gave a correct summary of my stance. I gave it in one sentence, then in multiple sentences, then in multiple paragraphs. You just kept at the "I don't understand, I can't goddamn read" and this is a classic "internet argument" tactic to nail someone down, and repeatedly asking for clarifications after receiving so many clarifications that nobody could have had the wrong idea unless they were trying, all while being cagey about what you've got to say? You're gonna tell me that this was the first and only time that wasn't a stupid internet argument tactic? Nah, it's hoping someone will say something you can seize on because if you prove *them* wrong then you've proved yourself right. When it doesn't work, you try to "so you're saying" the guy. If you wanna talk ideas, that's fine, but motivated reasoners are boring as shit and I fucked your entire wife.> to protect his own ego.gb2reddit
(DIR) Post #B2OW1HId4klOxZeO6S by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@amerika @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel Wait, it's gone?
(DIR) Post #B2OW5Jm1oopFn9KOdU by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@amerika @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel I don't think it's a symbol: I think, very concretely, that nobody should bother me. :tedk:
(DIR) Post #B2OW95aQVYaGwvhR2W by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@amerika @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel From DavidHalberstam's 1972 book ''The Best and the Brightest'', via WikiPedia:> Bob McNamara was a remarkable man in a remarkable era; if at the beginning he seemed to embody many if not most of the era’s virtues, at the end of it he seemed to embody its pathos, flaws and tragedy...He would, for instance, lie, dissemble, not just to the public, they all did that in varying degrees, but inside, in high-level meetings, always for the good of the cause, always for the right reason, always to serve the Office of the President. Bob knew what was good for the cause, but sometimes at the expense of his colleagues. And indeed, experienced McNamara watchers, men who were fond of him, would swear they knew when Bob was lying; his voice would get higher, he would speak faster, he would become more insistent.
(DIR) Post #B2OW9rJl2plsz8Gniq by leyonhjelm@fsebugoutzone.org
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@p Every once in a while @All_bonesJones runs into someone he can’t bullshit past with sophistry and syntax pedantry. It’s never a good thread. @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel
(DIR) Post #B2OWDBGLLXRRiCFz04 by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@leyonhjelm @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel I WILL MAKE THIS THREAD GOOD IF IT KILLS ME OR IF I JUST HAVE TO START POSTING TITS WHICH IS A CHEAT CODE TO MAKING THREADS GOOD
(DIR) Post #B2OWJkxJYMeA9KUXz6 by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @roland @sun @yomiel > Who is "They" again?Bernays, Dulles, FDR, Rockefeller, Carnegie, and all the motherfuckers that Bretton Woodsed the earth into oblivion.> We have "freedom,"Only in the Huxley sense.
(DIR) Post #B2OWKuDkaiytArjAxc by bajax@baj.ax
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@amerika @dcc @contrapunctus @p @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun it can be an end in and of itself. if you're thinking of it instrumentally, as a method to achieve some other social goal, you missed the point.
(DIR) Post #B2OWUcsJw98CH1L4m8 by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@amerika @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel Are you accidentally discovering Pareto? All you have to do is stay out of the way of the people that will do something worth doing.
(DIR) Post #B2OWYMz4xeO69AHkWG by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@amerika @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel My point is it's not any less "natural" for a human to build a city. This is why we ate the Neanderthals.
(DIR) Post #B2OWcmsqbqD1dBTdqa by Ree@shitposter.world
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@leyonhjelm @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @p @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun his low IQ fails again should of stuck only with fear and hunger and dark souls
(DIR) Post #B2OWm5RUyeAxnS7RpI by Ree@shitposter.world
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@p @amerika @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun no idea
(DIR) Post #B2OWxMN4NSxzU8QHT6 by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@Ree @All_bonesJones @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel He was a genius of science and mystical wisdom.puffpastries.mp4
(DIR) Post #B2OX1mpDxoIGgnhdOS by nach@detroitriotcity.com
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@Ree @amerika @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @p @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun EXCUSE ME?
(DIR) Post #B2OX2RTgomQglswW1I by BowsacNoodle@poa.st
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@p @Ree @amerika @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @dj @All_bonesJones @sun American Culture copypasta
(DIR) Post #B2OX3jf8h37fSYumyO by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@nach @Ree @All_bonesJones @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomielventura_vs_lindell.jpg
(DIR) Post #B2OX4OX4jw2ADQSQb2 by leyonhjelm@fsebugoutzone.org
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@Ree Boldness is his most impressive character trait @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @p @sun @yomiel
(DIR) Post #B2OX4yxZIucHC185tA by Ree@shitposter.world
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@leyonhjelm @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @p @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun yes no one wants to heard how he is always right. Yet I'm the annoying one.
(DIR) Post #B2OX6rftMQzpB4l852 by leyonhjelm@fsebugoutzone.org
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@Ree I find everyone annoying. So be an entertaining brand of annoying@All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @p @sun @yomiel
(DIR) Post #B2OX9VmdCzpi9TApM0 by leyonhjelm@fsebugoutzone.org
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@p @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel7d93ea4ac606ccce7e5d2ff668972178e2c3abbabc27ac3e665609a77beae4ae.png
(DIR) Post #B2OXNLi1SfxGxdcGI4 by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@leyonhjelm @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomielsuzuki-2018-alarm-calls-evoke-a-visual-search-image-of-a-predator-in-birds.pdf
(DIR) Post #B2OXNxmbu4Ch2s3SiW by Ree@shitposter.world
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@leyonhjelm @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @p @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun yes sir
(DIR) Post #B2OXQwSTHl1Bnz3UVk by jeremiah@shitposter.world
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@leyonhjelm @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @p @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun
(DIR) Post #B2OXZKwa8G4w3x8sdc by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@jeremiah @leyonhjelm @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomielslide.gif
(DIR) Post #B2ObOEl5BmEVVgj5v6 by All_bonesJones@shitposter.world
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@p @amerika @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @sun If I am not still misreading what I think you're trying to say by "scope," your idea rests on the idea of a private vs public line that I'm not sure actually exists and definitely varies wildly from person to person and culture to culture, which is why I wanted you to define it more clearly.As far as I have seen, this line is drawn solely by enforcement logistics. Communists had enough violence that they could easily dictate the scope includes pet ownership and nobody could stop them. It is a normative claim (how it ought to be) which I don't think is useful. In a world where the logistics were strongly weighted against the state (eg, every person has their own nuke) this line would likely be drawn at a very different level.Am I picked up what you're putting down yet?
(DIR) Post #B2ObOFPUlWYjX1dMuW by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@All_bonesJones @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel > If I am not still misreading what I think you're trying to say by "scope," your idea rests on the idea of a private vs public line that I'm not sure actually existsYou are misreading or misthinking. This is why I specifically mentioned friends, family, passers by, etc. I didn't say "a line", I said "drops off exponentially". There are things you will tolerate in your personal life, there are things you will tolerate in your neighborhood, there are things that you will tolerate in your city, there are things you will tolerate in your country. For things you will not tolerate, there are different actions you will take, from talking through legal means through compulsion by force. You may stop being friends with someone that gets addicted to heroin and starts stealing appliances; you may physically force a family member into rehab; you might ignore it completely if it's in a shitty part of town that you don't go to because it's shitty; you will definitely ignore that there are people getting high and stealing appliances on the other side of the world. These are governed by the nature of the activity, proximity, your relationship to the person performing the activity.> and definitely varies wildly from person to person and culture to culture, which is why I wanted you to define it more clearly.There are disputed sections of the US-Canada border. I am definitely inside the US. When I visited Toronto, I was definitely inside Canada. If I had told the Canadian customs official that there was no way to distinguish the US and Canada because the border was blurry in places, he would have gotten even more frustrated with me.> As far as I have seen, this line is drawn solely by enforcement logistics.This is where you've ignored "ought". There are legal rights, things that the law grants you: you prevail in a lawsuit, you have the right to compensation decided by the judge. There are moral rights: someone slaps your ice cream out of your hand, you have the right to demand a new ice cream cone from that person. There are also rights that all humans have by virtue of their humanity: a murderer deprives you of your right to life. This is a broad topic. If you want it short, broadly, you have the right to your thoughts, your conscience, your communications, your life, things uncoerced like the right to select your mate, to be undisturbed in going about your business so long as it does not interfere with the business of others, etc. If your death could ensure that your children had these things, and you would make the trade, that is the sort of thing I am talking about.> Communists had enough violence that they could easily dictate the scope includes pet ownership and nobody could stop them.If you say "Well, people can stop you from talking!" then sure: on what grounds does that feel wrong to you? The Barbary Coast pirates would capture boats, castrate the men/boys, and sell them as eunuch slaves. If some Turk cut your dick and balls off and sold you, you'd feel like you'd suffered some kind of injustice: why? On what grounds would you feel that? To say "well, it's a matter of enforcement" is facile: humanity is capable of evil. Nature is capable of caprice. You have beliefs and values that you think people should not interfere with, or you'd never have grounds to describe any use of force as unjust.> It is a normative claim (how it ought to be) which I don't think is useful.You have to know how you think things ought to be in order to decide where to apply force. If you want to talk about logistics, that's logistics. You wandered in while this was a conversation about beliefs, specifically @amerika espoused a hard-line version of consequentialism. That's not logistics. I'm sorry about the confusion around messaging if you don't think it's "useful".> In a world where the logistics were strongly weighted against the state (eg, every person has their own nuke) this line would likely be drawn at a very different level.This is also incorrect to say. Afghanistan, Vietnam, Cuba, etc.> Am I picked up what you're putting down yet? If you understand what I wrote just now.
(DIR) Post #B2Ok3hEJ2MxTJofwiu by All_bonesJones@shitposter.world
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@p @amerika @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @sun You're right. I'd been missing your point because I was operating from a premise so foreign to yours that I didn't recognize what premise you were operating from.>There are legal rights, things that the law grants you: you prevail in a lawsuit, you have the right to compensation decided by the judge. There are moral rights: someone slaps your ice cream out of your hand, you have the right to demand a new ice cream cone from that person. There are also rights that all humans have by virtue of their humanity: a murderer deprives you of your right to life. This is, fundamentally, where I think the source of the disagreement and confusion is, because this is a premise I fundamentally disagree with so strongly it did not even enter my head as a possibility until you explicitly laid it out like this. I do not think about anything in terms of rights. It is my view that rights are a post-hoc justification and shorthand for "successful social technology." I guess I'm going to have to back up to where good and evil come from: Societies that stumble upon practices leading to prosperity eventually codify and mythologize those practices as "rights" or "sacred duties" or "good." The "right to life" isn't a metaphysical truth preceding society; it's a fantastically useful rule and societies which enforce it tend to out-compete those that don't. The ones that do not stumble upon or reject those 'fundamental rights' wind up either dying off from their own decisions or being trampled on by stronger ones that embrace the long-term benefits of those rights.This is where my "logistics" point came from, and why I called normative claims "not useful" in that context. I wasn't trying to be dismissive of morality; I was saying the line in reality is drawn by power, and that line changes when logistics change. I don't believe good and evil apply as inherent qualities in governance. There are only people with power who act. If those actions lead to prosperity, descendants label them "good." If they lead to collapse, the actions are "bad" or there's no one left to label them anything. These labels become that culture's morals. Prosperity creates morality, not the other way around. Your belief that distant people make worse calls is an example of what I'm talking about: their bad calls lead to bad outcomes, which we can both condemn as "evil."However, I want to make it clear: I'm NOT hiding behind cultural relativism. Good and evil are concrete things written into the universe in a fuzzy manner. This is why so many successful cultures have rules that are wildly similar, such as the idea of a right to life. This isn't even a human thing, the behavior can be seen in basically every smart social animal like chimps and crows. They both punish lying and theft because they intuit what you're calling property rights from their survival constraints."Good" and "evil" are second-order effects of power, which itself is a second-order effect of physical laws of the universe like natural selection. They're like heat: Strictly, heat doesn't exist. It's an approximation of the underlying physical reality our senses evolved to pick up on. There's no fundamental heat force, it's the macro-scale experience of molecular energy. But you'll still die if you jump in a volcano which is why it's a useful thing to know about.You see heat as a fundamental force, I see it as something derived, but we can both agree it's not a good idea to high-five molten steel. When you said 'scope decreases,' I heard a descriptive claim about power dynamics that needed a 'why.' You were making a prescriptive claim about justice based on a premise that is alien to me.Also, I'm not saying your intuition is wrong, I'm arguing that rights are derived instead of inherent. They're grounded in a physically evolved understanding of the world that allows human flourishing.Our disagreement is what the foundation of right and wrong are. You believe in deontological ethics, where good and evil are the first principle, I'm arguing from an evolutionary viewpoint, where they exist as a derived principle. I understand where you're coming from now and broadly agree with your understanding of right and wrong, I just think your viewpoint is correct in its conclusions but founded on air.
(DIR) Post #B2Ok3hlH3nKUy46H6u by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@All_bonesJones @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel > This is, fundamentally, where I think the source of the disagreement and confusion is, because this is a premise I fundamentally disagree with so strongly it did not even enter my head as a possibility until you explicitly laid it out like this.That's not the "premise", that's the dictionary. You can disagree with caring about rights but it's kind of insane to dispute that the concept exists or that people make use of this concept. Webster's 1913 edition:RIGHTRight, n. Etym: [AS. right. See Right, a.]1. That which is right or correct. Specifically:(a) The straight course; adherence to duty; obedience to lawfulauthority, divine or human; freedom from guilt, -- the opposite ofmoral wrong.(b) A true statement; freedom from error of falsehood; adherence totruth or fact.Seldom your opinions err; Your eyes are always in the right. Prior.(c) A just judgment or action; that which is true or proper; justice;uprightness; integrity.Long love to her has borne the faithful knight, And well deserved,had fortune done him right. Dryden.2. That to which one has a just claim. Specifically:(a) That which one has a natural claim to exact.There are no rights whatever, without corresponding duties.Coleridge.(b) That which one has a legal or social claim to do or to exact;legal power; authority; as, a sheriff has a right to arrest acriminal.(c) That which justly belongs to one; that which one has a claim topossess or own; the interest or share which anyone has in a piece ofproperty; title; claim; interest; ownership.Born free, he sought his right. Dryden.Hast thou not right to all created things Milton.Men have no right to what is not reasonable. Burke.(d) Privilege or immunity granted by authority.> I do not think about anything in terms of rights. It is my view that rights are a post-hoc justification and shorthand for "successful social technology.""Love is just chemical reactions in the brain" is a weed thought: it's not particularly profound or meaningful. You can say that love is just chemical reactions in the brain but that's not a useful level of analysis for any non-pharmacological purpose.> I guess I'm going to have to back up to where good and evil come from: Societies that stumble upon practices leading to prosperity eventually codify and mythologize those practices as "rights" or "sacred duties" or "good."No, no, I understand where morality comes from.> The "right to life" isn't a metaphysical truth preceding societyI'm back to having sex with your wife again. You do not *have* modern humans before you have society. Homo sapiens literally ate the Neanderthals because we had eusocial tendencies that they did not have. We killed and ate them. Our tendency to form societies is why we ate them: if a village with 250 people loses one guy, it loses one guy: there is enough redundancy to pick up the slack. If a Neanderthal family with 10 people loses one guy, they're fucked. You can't separate humans from society.> I wasn't trying to be dismissive of morality; I was saying the line in reality is drawn by power, and that line changes when logistics change. I know what you were saying.> I don't believe good and evil apply as inherent qualities in governance.You don't have to. I sure as hell know what evil looks like.> Prosperity creates moralityNo, this is a very short-sighted view.> Your belief that distant people make worse calls is an example of what I'm talking about: their bad calls lead to bad outcomes, which we can both condemn as "evil."It's not a belief, it's manifestly obvious that less information relevant to the situation and less attention paid to the situation means poorer quality decisions. The outcome is not what's evil; see my previous remarks about consequentialism.Why does the far-off guy want to fuck with me? That is evil. Consider what would make someone want to do that. Consider the mindset of someone that will push forced sterilizations. Consider Bernays, consider Dulles.The neolib technocrats won: they control the earth. Is that bad? Are they evil? If you don't like them, on what grounds? You know, you look at, like, Brave New World: worth reading because it's the dystopia we're gliding into. The future we chose. And Huxley said when writing that book that he basically just took the remarks his brother and friends made.> They both punish lying and theft because they intuit what you're calling property rights from their survival constraints.Reciprocity, not morality, and it's instinctive. Bats do this. Bacteria engage in reciprocity and punish a lack of reciprocity. Everything does this. But a slime mold doesn't know or care what a slime mold a thousand miles away is doing.> "Good" and "evil" are second-order effects of powerRight when I was starting to get some hope for this conversation.> Strictly, heat doesn't exist.Oh that's the most goddamn stupid thing that is possible to say and you picked a condescending tone to do it. This is the stoned teenager thinking I was describing. We've got a phenomenon that we describe as "heat". What we think of as heat is caused by this literal, real phenomenon. It can be measured. We've spent a lot of time on equations describing its transfer. It's like saying "atoms are mostly empty space!" and that's only if you imagine them as tiny balls swirling around other balls: it's goddamn retarded.> You see heat as a fundamental force, I see it as something derivedYes, because I, the idiot, do not understand physics like you, the reddiot. I'm back to fucking your wife.> Also, I'm not saying your intuition is wrong, I'm arguing that rights are derived instead of inherent.You know the meme with the idiot on the left side of the Bell curve and the genius on the right side and they're saying the same shit and the redditor is on the top of the Bell curve saying some normie shit?I am so goddamn bored that I don't feel like finishing that point. I've been where you are and back.> Our disagreement is what the foundation of right and wrong are.No, it is not.> You believe in deontological ethics, where good and evil are the first principle, I'm arguing from an evolutionary viewpoint, where they exist as a derived principle.When describing things in those terms, people do not tend to use "good" and "evil" and I am so goddamn bored that I don't feel like finishing that point.> I understand where you're coming from now and broadly agree with your understanding of right and wrong, I just think your viewpoint is correct in its conclusions but founded on air. You don't bother to ask, you just assume that there's nothing there unless you have guessed it. I, on the other hand, have fucked your wife.martin-bernays-debate.pdf
(DIR) Post #B2PO2cMDfBym5HPwUi by amerika@annihilation.social
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@p @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun The dystopia we are gliding into is:1. Exactly as Plato described2. Ends in mixed-race third world society3. Entirely avoidableThere is no actual morality outside consequentialism, but that obliterates the notion of means-over-ends stuff like "rights."Trad = paired duty/privilege
(DIR) Post #B2POY4JTm4RXlT8Hx2 by amerika@annihilation.social
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@p @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun Consequentialism makes sense because it analyzes results not our feelings about them.We sense it is "wrong" when Turks capture innocent people, geld them, and turn them into slaves.But would it be "wrong" to simply enslave the incompetent and criminal?The good/evil, right/wrong, etc model breaks down because it is methodology not consequentialism.
(DIR) Post #B2POdV11vGvQ1q5oTw by amerika@annihilation.social
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@p @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun Your important point here: humans are pack animals, and we arose with civilization.However, cities vary in size, and with technology, change their nature. We had civilization without cities.
(DIR) Post #B2POiFbidaxjglWGUC by amerika@annihilation.social
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@p @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun Not logical, based on my experience. The incompetents will not leave you alone and in fact, per economics, want to steal what you have that they cannot produce.Unless you remove them, you spend increasing % of your resources in paying them off or replacing what they steal.This is one of the paths to the third world.
(DIR) Post #B2POolN9RtMLwZoKrw by amerika@annihilation.social
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@p @dcc @bajax @roland @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @sun No, we have more legal and economic "freedom" than at any other time in history, is what I am saying.We have freedom, but look at the Bell Curve. Most people have no idea what to do with it, so they vote for easy answers and end up enslaving themselves.The clowns you mentioned got power because of the vote. (True, FDR had Tammany Hall on his side... but that's the Irish vote.)
(DIR) Post #B2PP1LsJYhkWd6OEjY by amerika@annihilation.social
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@p @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun "His father was sales manager of a wholesale shoe company, whose family was Irish and, in about 1850, following the Great Irish Famine, had emigrated to the U.S., first to Massachusetts and later to California."Mother was probably Irish as well:https://en.geneanet.org/surnames/STRANGE
(DIR) Post #B2PP2m1vnfjK2PZ9wO by amerika@annihilation.social
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@p @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun That is a method, not a goal. It is avoidant and reactive.
(DIR) Post #B2PP7zIlss7aeAvfX6 by amerika@annihilation.social
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@p @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun Sadly yes. Taco Cabana made some bad business decisions and closed a bunch of locations.In this town, people are no longer going out to eat or doing anything outside as much. The diversity sandbagging got worse after the ICE raids because now it is whitish, Asians, and Blacks bumping elbows.
(DIR) Post #B2PPCaIcGoL6YE34MK by amerika@annihilation.social
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@p @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun Most debates are caused by differences in use of language, but that has been weaponized into redefining language to "win" the debate.
(DIR) Post #B2PPHpY6zyqNIOnX8K by amerika@annihilation.social
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@p @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun Ends are things like a thriving civilization; liberty is a method because it has no positive goal. You want freedom from everything, sure, but that is a defensive reaction to life, not a desire to create.
(DIR) Post #B2PPJksnJr5zP0OEOO by amerika@annihilation.social
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@p @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun Best site on the internet.
(DIR) Post #B2PPMKYRfBt4cE6Et6 by amerika@annihilation.social
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@p @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun In a relative universe, the right side of the bell curve is as different from the left as Superman from normals and donkeys from butterflies.
(DIR) Post #B2PlGM8T4Q5OlzVO0e by All_bonesJones@shitposter.world
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@p @amerika @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @sun aggressively misunderstanding what i said again, coolwhat a waste of time
(DIR) Post #B2PlIxVP6J61FkTTc0 by amerika@annihilation.social
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@All_bonesJones @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @p @yomiel @dj @sun People use different definitions in order to support their perspectives, which leads to argument narrowing.Focus on the opposites inherent to any definition, Plato says.
(DIR) Post #B2Qv5l2dK8k9X1JyEK by SilverDeth@fsebugoutzone.org
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@p @dcc @All_bonesJones @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dj @sun @yomiel You were basically doing him a favor.
(DIR) Post #B2Qv753sNKSbucX7YG by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@SilverDeth @All_bonesJones @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel I was doing his *wife* a favor.
(DIR) Post #B2Qvy6q4Uv5elxMWWW by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@amerika @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel > There is no actual morality outside consequentialismNo, this is incorrect. Either we are talking about morality or we are talking about politics or we are talking about which dystopia is happening.> that obliterates the notion of means-over-ends stuff like "rights."No, I decide what my ends are; you can't declare that some of my ends are not ends.
(DIR) Post #B2QwAUt8uLsYpshow4 by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@amerika @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel > We had civilization without cities. No, we did not. We had civilization without *modern* cities, but cities predated civilization.
(DIR) Post #B2QwQRX19kpN3excG0 by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@amerika @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel > Not logical, based on my experience.That's because you care about preventing retards from doing something retarded instead of preventing them from doing something that interferes with geniuses. You only need two things:1. Stop psychopaths from being able to get anywhere by rallying retards.2. Stop retards from getting in the way; this includes attempting to pretect retards from killing themselves.That's it. Five years, max. You disagree, whatever: Plato logic-cucked himself into committing suicide. There's a fuckin' consequence.
(DIR) Post #B2QwhnZMTQ2iKWKgIS by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @roland @sun @yomiel > No, we have more legal and economic "freedom" than at any other time in historyThe 1960s called. They didn't want anything back, they just wanted to laugh at your assertion. Then the 1920s called them. Then the 1880s called them.> Most people have no idea what to do with itYou think you can eliminate retards and you can't. That will *never* happen. You can get them to stop bothering you.> The clowns you mentioned got power because of the vote.Nobody "elected" Carnegie, Rocketfeller, Rothschild, etc. Nobody "elected" Bernays or Dulles. FDR straight-up killed Huey Long. Try again.
(DIR) Post #B2QwyatCs1SdvWcjFw by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@amerika @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel > That is a method, not a goal.No, my goddamn goal is to not be bothered. My autonomy is an end in itself. You do not get to change this just by asserting the opposite. The categories were made for man, not man for the categories.food-identification-diogenes.png
(DIR) Post #B2Qx5X7bHGTOGgfIOG by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@amerika @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel :pressf:
(DIR) Post #B2QxFV0tyCJscsHfkW by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@amerika @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel > Most debates are caused by differences in use of languageThis is why socialists think redefining words creates reality.
(DIR) Post #B2QxQfEeJ2UTVu2QFc by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@amerika @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel > Ends are things like a thriving civilizationThis is based on your values. This is not based on my values. A Christian values Christ above his own civilization, for example. You can decide your values, you can decide your ends: you cannot decide mine.
(DIR) Post #B2QxZ7bohINFpUuK6y by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@amerika @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel I'm not arguing that retarded people don't exist. If you think Trump and Biden are both three standard deviations to the right of you, feel free; I do not.
(DIR) Post #B2Qy4gYcoFdVCJSuKu by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@All_bonesJones @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel > aggressively misunderstanding what i said again, coolMaybe what you've said is retarded. Maybe "your radical ideas on X have already occurred to others" and your condescending tone put me off and I couldn't force myself to read your horseshit, especially after I entered your wife (with my penis). You wanna try putting forth an idea instead of having an internet argument, sure. Otherwise, fuck yourself indefinitely.> what a waste of time Welcome to some shit I said when you *started* on the "but feudalism".
(DIR) Post #B2Qy73sv3ADM7p5gsS by Ree@shitposter.world
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@All_bonesJones @p @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel your a waste of time
(DIR) Post #B2QyiAuDuPTIcCOirw by SilverDeth@fsebugoutzone.org
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@p @All_bonesJones @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel "Aaaaahhhh Peg... do I have to?"image.png
(DIR) Post #B2Qykd7FzkDGgdfHHs by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@SilverDeth @All_bonesJones @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel No, the pegging was her doing *him* a favor.
(DIR) Post #B2Qylpxbj23eoQj89w by leyonhjelm@fsebugoutzone.org
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@p Every master debater knows socialists are not proficient in the language sufficient to justify a debate with them. They don’t even understand dad jokes. @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomielIMG_8590.jpeg
(DIR) Post #B2QywLm8IEHoNeNAnI by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@leyonhjelm @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel I have a very good mp3 for this but it's a FLAC and too large to attach.
(DIR) Post #B2QzE6NkGPyPqqQk8e by leyonhjelm@fsebugoutzone.org
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@p @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomielsucculent muppet.PNG
(DIR) Post #B2R00scAEuJbLGQxRw by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@leyonhjelm @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel FUGGIT, I SHALL TRANSCODE:king_of_the_wasteland.ogg
(DIR) Post #B2R1yTLrOZocJrmtDE by Ree@shitposter.world
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@p @amerika @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @SilverDeth @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun I wouldn't even peg her
(DIR) Post #B2R2nZqZ0QkHEUW8tk by Ree@shitposter.world
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@p @All_bonesJones @SilverDeth @amerika @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel pegging me I think something would break on my old ass I'm not paying the hospital bill.
(DIR) Post #B2R5aXcsFdoARWadQO by amerika@annihilation.social
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@Ree @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @SilverDeth @p @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun Pegging is how women signal natural dominance over people-pleaser men.
(DIR) Post #B2R5kBmoJ14rbVq0w4 by amerika@annihilation.social
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@p @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun The problem is that the 51% vote on what the 0.1% understand.Politicians are puppets because they are products of the market for votes, and most people want easy answers.
(DIR) Post #B2R5qBkBNO0lD5TAUC by amerika@annihilation.social
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@p @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun Since civilization is required for what you request, your statement is not logical: ends must include what is necessary for what you desire, and if you analyze your reasons for it, you will find that it is a method not a goal."I want to live unmolested" = I want a civilization where I am not unduly interfered with = maybe methods like liberty and natural rights will help.
(DIR) Post #B2R5tooYZMCXFoFL2e by amerika@annihilation.social
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@p @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun "Linguistic relativity." As WSB points out, altering the symbolic set alters thinking, so the symbolic set is the first target of tyrants and the fearful herd.
(DIR) Post #B2R5zFOfAEjD95iuy8 by amerika@annihilation.social
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@p @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun Categories are interesting but cause-effect logic seems more relevant.That is what separates ends from means; the former are states desired, the latter are methods of achieving them.What you want is a byproduct of one of those states.
(DIR) Post #B2R6499xmTbLFXBTGK by amerika@annihilation.social
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@p @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun "Stop psychopaths from being able to get anywhere by rallying retards."As Utopian as anything else posted here. This is part of the condition of humanity.Worse, the retards rally themselves.The problem is that retards inherently obstruct geniuses, and geniuses require functional civilizations in which to work.
(DIR) Post #B2R67ELawxOWCv5xPU by amerika@annihilation.social
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@p @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun The historical record says otherwise. We had civilization in tents and caves. The cities if anything were an obstruction, if the Athenian experience tells us much of anything.
(DIR) Post #B2R6HL5ejcCI13Sa7E by amerika@annihilation.social
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@p @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun Consequentialism alone measures moral outcomes. These are practical, not abstract and arbitrary.Your desires may be what they are, but means and ends are logical distinctions.
(DIR) Post #B2R78ABE1rbFWiFlyq by amerika@annihilation.social
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@p @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun We should stop trying to design systems, and start looking at humans in terms of what they do not what they "should" do.This is why many distrust freedom: it means the moron horde takes over, just as it did in the USA.
(DIR) Post #B2R7oougyQzI1NrPvc by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@amerika @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel > The problem is that the 51% vote on what the 0.1% understand.Limits in scope. This was discussed. "This is not the purview of the state. You cannot vote on it. I will open fire."> Politicians are puppets because they are products of the market for votesSee Bernays PDF that I uploaded.
(DIR) Post #B2R80Ioy7NT1xoetrE by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@amerika @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel > Categories are interesting but cause-effect logic seems more relevant.You're the one arguing that individual liberty is a means rather than an end. I can select whichever values I like.
(DIR) Post #B2R8AegffuIMfziL3Y by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@amerika @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel > As Utopian as anything else posted here.Shit that we had already is labeled utopian by defeatists. See the Bernays PDF.> Worse, the retards rally themselves.This has never occurred in history.> The problem is that retards inherently obstruct geniusesThey do not. They're only obstructing you because they bother you so much. Retards aren't obstructing me.
(DIR) Post #B2R8Gjut94fsdGGW3c by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@amerika @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel > The historical record says otherwise.The goddamn fossil record says we built goddamn villages when we were still busy eating the Neanderthals. I don't know if you want to argue the concept of "city". I do not.
(DIR) Post #B2R8IQR4XuDInC7gf2 by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@amerika @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel > Consequentialism alone measures moral outcomes.To a consequentialist.
(DIR) Post #B2R8ZOvxNnzx3cfCr2 by amerika@annihilation.social
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@p @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun Retards rallying themselves is the basis of popular revolution. Communism is an example of retards obstructing geniuses.
(DIR) Post #B2R9KyBs7JyO0xn3aK by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@amerika @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel > We should stop trying to design systems, and start looking at humans in terms of what they do not what they "should" do.No, I look at things in terms of what I can enforce. You will not ever kill all of the idiots. You can keep them away. Try to stick to things that are achievable.> This is why many distrust freedomFortunately, I don't have to care who distrusts my freedom: I'm armed.
(DIR) Post #B2R9RR8tO4rBXqTq76 by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@amerika @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel > Retards rallying themselves is the basis of popular revolution.No, you're thinking of psychopaths rallying retards again.
(DIR) Post #B2RALhtcHijxipAPCK by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@amerika @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel Just every thread where there are political discussions.sage_goes_in_every_field.png
(DIR) Post #B2RAx7xOM0GPGMmBBA by MagicMoshe@annihilation.social
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@p @amerika @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun Seems like there's a bit of bother going on bro, how about a sweet 80's mix to calm the situation down? :think_bread:
(DIR) Post #B2RB0PiYmBc3DRPDNo by amerika@annihilation.social
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@MagicMoshe @p @All_bonesJones @bajax @contrapunctus @dcc @dj @sun @yomiel puro 80sSodom - 05. Enchanted Land.mp3
(DIR) Post #B2RBFtwwelXDK3WG5Q by amerika@annihilation.social
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@p @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @All_bonesJones @sun No, not at all. Self-organizing systems find their equilibrium on the bell curve.https://www.amerika.org/texts/crowdism/
(DIR) Post #B2SgofMgAN4bxcZbDU by All_bonesJones@shitposter.world
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@p @amerika @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @yomiel @dj @sun I did not try to "win an internet argument." I tried to describe a difference in how we think about things so we could understand each other's perspectives. If the only thing you're capable of understanding when I describe my thought process is "he's trying to beat me" then, yes, this is a complete waste of time.
(DIR) Post #B2SgpfvZYjp9znNLDE by amerika@annihilation.social
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@All_bonesJones @dcc @bajax @contrapunctus @p @yomiel @dj @sun Discussion is useful, but requires good faith participation by all involved.