Post B1gj9XP5pmFlfihpRY by KingOfWhiteAmerica@poa.st
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(DIR) Post #B1e8hBs0Jink70UbTs by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
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The Nativity of Jesus is Fiction: The Gospels Are Fake History! | Dr. Joan Taylor | History Valleyhttps://youtu.be/WntoWCQD3dg
(DIR) Post #B1e8hCL4Ze3NZA5on2 by Xenophon@nicecrew.digital
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Dont care what a woman thinks
(DIR) Post #B1e8jIGdVFkSX316vI by DrFell@freeatlantis.com
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@toiletpaper If for a moment one paused and realized the biggest liars in the world wrote the majority of tales told in that book. They may understand a few things differently.
(DIR) Post #B1e8jIf62JJXkuSe36 by Xenophon@nicecrew.digital
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Jews didnt write the bible you nigger
(DIR) Post #B1e8uHMtBcO8veBDiS by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
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@Xenophon Then you have no place in this discussion. Fuck off somewhere else with your retard bullshit.
(DIR) Post #B1e8uHqJQDvMOtwiZs by Xenophon@nicecrew.digital
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No, women have no place in the discussion.
(DIR) Post #B1e96J1kqMk7Y81sLQ by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
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@Xenophon Then you better get lost ya little bitch.
(DIR) Post #B1e96JRzGpj6rUIpEW by Xenophon@nicecrew.digital
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Youre gay and you suck dick
(DIR) Post #B1e9C43XQ3ICr2bqBk by nanook@friendica.eskimo.com
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@DrFell @toiletpaper If one understands that mythology, while not being a literal account still holds great truths, then one can see the value in it even if it is not literally accurate.
(DIR) Post #B1e9C4arQ9woWOCS80 by DrFell@freeatlantis.com
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@nanook @toiletpaper You have to be wise enough to extract the valuable word and not the corny stuff. Making a mantra out of it, memorizing chapter and verse, is sort of a tedious form of hypnotism.
(DIR) Post #B1e9C53vg5CRyXnfRA by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
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@DrFell @nanook@friendica.eskimo.comThe main problems with it stem from the fact that it's deliberately marketed as a historical fact when in reality it's a pseudohistorical fantasy novel that belongs in the fiction section of the library. Being a work of fiction need not detract from whatever wisdom is present, but misrepresenting it as factual renders all that wisdom moot, as evidenced by the 2,000 year track record of violent bigotry stemming from it's application.
(DIR) Post #B1e9C5Jsilxam1GPIm by DrFell@freeatlantis.com
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@nanook @toiletpaper It's a good lesson, a manual to live by . Simply know the difference .
(DIR) Post #B1e9C5WHydsvOV4Jdo by Xenophon@nicecrew.digital
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Youre gay and retarded. The Bible is the word of God and youre a mouth breathing nigger.
(DIR) Post #B1e9C62C41PCzRznN2 by DrFell@freeatlantis.com
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@nanook @toiletpaper If I had to choose a book, these Valentinianism, in particular, developed a complex cosmology involving the Pleroma (the fullness of divine beings) and the emanation of lower powers, with salvation achieved through gnosis.The Basilideans, Marcionites, and Thomasines, each with distinct theological emphases. The Marcionites, for example, rejected the Old Testament and viewed the God of the Hebrew Bible as a malevolent demiurge, aligning with a radical dualism.
(DIR) Post #B1e9Sb0Sg6rvgK3MCO by Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club
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I don't care what anyone thinks.
(DIR) Post #B1edH6Y8ZaHQf2F1d2 by porkcow@shitposter.world
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@DrFell @toiletpaper 1: What historical document has more veracity than the 4 gospels?2: Are we applying 1-1 ethnic overlap between ancient Hebrews and modern Khazars?3: Are we taking from that that we should take the word of a woman and some athiest nerds writing fanfic because a cousin of Jesus got a job out of town later and this proves it because it "might be true"?4: If/then, of what value is a lie?
(DIR) Post #B1edH6vXAazlpbBi64 by DrFell@freeatlantis.com
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@porkcow @toiletpaper I personally would pluck the gospels out of the book, a few proverbs as well. It's all you need.
(DIR) Post #B1edH7Ivlbi70A8OZ6 by nanook@friendica.eskimo.com
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@DrFell @porkcow @toiletpaper I find quite a lot interesting, the Gospels for sure, but also the flood story, Genesis the creation theory, I think Genesis recognizes in a somewhat indirect way what I believe to be a physical truth. It speaks of Jesus speaking the world into existence, but without atmosphere there is no literal speech so what is meant by this? I think thought. And this fits by general belief that the material world view that consciousness is an epiphenomena is backwards, I believe consciousness -> information -> energy -> matter.
(DIR) Post #B1edH7hOIfHCE1Zvgu by DrFell@freeatlantis.com
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@nanook @toiletpaper @porkcow Sounds good to me, a method how you decipher it and it holds a theory fixed inside you. If that works for you that's fine, but it's you're own interpretation with a bit of confirmation bias. Kabbahlists claim they wrote OT Bible in code , if one reads it literally not according to their study methods, they also say it's garbage.
(DIR) Post #B1edIxFg72qUP5UPK4 by Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club
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Consciousness was the fall. God's awareness of himself both created and dragged him into the material world.
(DIR) Post #B1edIxc0m0i5WLwF8K by DrFell@freeatlantis.com
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@Humpleupagus @nanook @porkcow @toiletpaper Wow , I've heard that somewhere before. It's a concept to ponder.
(DIR) Post #B1edIy2FCTh4piDC1Q by Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club
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A thinker must have a thing to think about, an object. The most immediate thing God would have would be himself. By that very reflexive act, he objectified himself, materialized. Perhaps that initial move was more an accident than an intent.
(DIR) Post #B1edIyVfR5EIIxygsq by KingOfWhiteAmerica@poa.st
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@Humpleupagus @DrFell @nanook @porkcow @toiletpaper This is a reasonable supposition, in the shadow of Trinitarian teaching. In Traditional Christianity, there was never a time when the Son of God was Not - which is also true of the Holy Spirit. Therefore, as God is and has always been tripersonal, there’d never arisen any “need” for accidental self-objectification.
(DIR) Post #B1edIz09bjcFpWF2P2 by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
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@KingOfWhiteAmerica @Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow > in the shadow of Trinitarian teachingWhich is essentially bastardised Platonism (eg. Timaeus, Critias, Phaedo .. and filtered through later thinkers such as Plotinus, etc).> there was never a time when the Son of God was Not If that can be true of the magical Jewish superman, why could it not be true of the universe itself? Why is it necessary to have a magical Jewish sky wizard involved?
(DIR) Post #B1edIzXTbqGrUrpeLI by KingOfWhiteAmerica@poa.st
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@toiletpaper @Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow Yeah you got it precisely backwards, imo. But we’ve already been over this.
(DIR) Post #B1edIzzpuOxKup6IXw by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
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@KingOfWhiteAmerica @Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow Well you can believe that if you like, but you're not arguing against me. You're arguing against the primary evidence and mainstream assessment of scholars on the topic.https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/trinity/trinity-history.html
(DIR) Post #B1edJ0Yvnv1qffWKFU by DrFell@freeatlantis.com
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@toiletpaper @Humpleupagus @porkcow I always had a notion that the Jew Philos plagiarized Platos Tripartite and invented a version of Trinity.
(DIR) Post #B1edJ0zWD4IQ07xYgq by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
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@DrFell @Humpleupagus @porkcow Yeah. All the Abrahamic superstitions depended on Platonism and Hermeticism especially (as well as Pythagoreanism, Stoicism, etc) to backwards rationalise a theology and morality onto their scriptures.https://www.muslimphilosophy.com/ip/rep/H003.htmhttps://annas-archive.org/md5/20515f20f9a3325b0d8e0a96d8846777https://blog.oup.com/2017/09/stoicism-platonism-judaism-early-christianity/
(DIR) Post #B1edJ1QSatqZLgZ4gS by KingOfWhiteAmerica@poa.st
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@toiletpaper @DrFell @Humpleupagus @porkcow If “leading scholars” are what you’re basing your views on, I’m even more confident in my own.You’ve got no better access to primary sources than I have; and they’ve led me to the same conclusion as most of the Ancient Greeks. But I suppose I’m expected these days to trust the opinions of educated idiots millennia after the fact. Lol
(DIR) Post #B1edJ1qL2gXydwfk1I by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
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@KingOfWhiteAmerica @Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow Buddy, the early church fathers said so themselves verbatim. Scholars today are simply reporting the facts. There's really not much in the way of interpretation required.
(DIR) Post #B1edJ2DjdhGJoVcQUK by KingOfWhiteAmerica@poa.st
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@toiletpaper @Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow Said what exactly ? That Traditional Christianity has a very great deal of overlap with Platonic Philosophy ? Yeah, no shit 🤣
(DIR) Post #B1edJ2cCAkpP2N3xc8 by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
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@KingOfWhiteAmerica @Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow It's no wonder given that most of the early Church fathers were Platonists in the first place. Anyway, you are clearly invested in disregarding all evidence to the contrary of your preconceived conclusion, so it seems rather pointless to try and talk sense with you.
(DIR) Post #B1edJ34uRznSTQUtN2 by KingOfWhiteAmerica@poa.st
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@toiletpaper @Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow It doesn’t look to me like we’re disputing any of the existing data points - that they say what they say. Where we differ is apparently metaphysical. We’ve looked at the same sources, and interpreted them differently, just like any normal people would. My conclusions are evidently in line with most of the Greeks alive at the time; that Platonic Philosophy found its *completion* in Traditional Christianity. I don’t personally think this is particularly outlandish, or borne of some stubborn refusal to “face facts”; and I’m not sure I understand why you’d try to frame it that way.
(DIR) Post #B1edJ3XGkYTvtNlXZg by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
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@KingOfWhiteAmerica @Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow Okay. I can tentatively agree with that. The architects of Christinanity were definitely attempting to justify it as a legitimate religion rather than merely a superstition of the gullible, by trying to position it in the context of the prevailing Hellenic philosophical milieu. Certainly the reason for doing so was that they were necessarily in competition with those philosophies for converts (which they only later won through violent force when logical argument failed). That's common knowledge.My point was that the vast majority of Christian theology is not evident from study of the BuyBull, but can only be justified in light of surrounding Pagan religions/philosophies such as Platonism, Hermeticism, Pythagoreanism, Stoicism, etc. Almost the entire corpus of terminology used to describe Christian doctrine (eg. the Trinity) is appropriated from those Pagan traditions rather than from the BuyBull itself which presents no comparable vocabulary nor imagery. The Pagan ideas predate the Christian, so there is a clear and undeniable genetic transfer from the one to the other. It's not rocket science.
(DIR) Post #B1edJ42SsZR3S8MSCO by KingOfWhiteAmerica@poa.st
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@toiletpaper @Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow Yeah see, I’ve not been a Sola Scriptura protestant for over a decade, so it’s not really my jam to insist that all matters of The Faith and right Worship can be derived directly and explicity from Holy Scripture. It’s been my understanding that nobody really bothered trying to prove such a thing until Martin Luther in the late Fifteenth / early Sixteenth Century - precisely to justify his own schism. At least I’m not aware of any such attempt. That established, even the whole idea that Christianity had “architects” of the Faith, is ludicrous, in my eyes - as by this point I presuppose the Almighty God is this Architect. Also, that the notion my ancient ancestors were bullied and beaten into believing it, is insulting and dishonorable toward them. I wouldn’t ever take that to heart, even simply for sake of their good name. Finally, that - given the Truth of Christian Faith and presuppositions, historical precedent, while useful, doesn’t negate the Hand of God in human history; nor does it trump His agency. All truth is God’s Truth; ancient Man strove for it many times, and The Lord honored that striving by granting them a measure of Truth. Therefore, whether or not pre-Christian Greeks articulated much of Trinitarian thought, does nothing to invalidate the Truth of the matter - and contrarily, rather testifies of its objectivity.
(DIR) Post #B1edJ4RzLfqsjIIpyy by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
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@KingOfWhiteAmerica @Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow > the whole idea that Christianity had “architects” of the Faith, is ludicrousThat there were so many different schisms in Christinanity from it's inception to present, and the only way to maintain a dominant narrative was through both the arbitration of assemblies such as the councils of Nicea, and subsequently through violent persecution of dissenters, pretty clearly indicates that the Christian religion was curated by human stake-holders, and specifically those with the greatest capacity and willingness for violent coercion. I would say "architects" is a decent enough synonym, and one far more congenial than the actual process warrants. You can certainly make magical gestures and the incantation that "God made them do it", but there's far more objective evidence of the former than the latter causal factor.> I presuppose the Almighty God is this Architect.That's where we differ. Good faith doesn't begin with the conclusion and work backwards for justification. It starts with the evidence and allows the conclusion to follow from it. I have little issue with the use of fiction to romanticise the world, the human condition, and relationship with the unknown, but that's far different from refusing to distinguish between fantasy and reality from the outset.> the notion my ancient ancestors were bullied and beaten into believing it, is insulting and dishonorable toward themI don't know who your ancestors were apart from apparently having a melanin deficiency, but there were only a handful of places in Europe where Christinanity didn't become the dominant religion without at least experiencing decades of violent coercion and destruction of Pagan holy sites and priestly traditions. That pattern repeated itself consistently across continents for almost 2,000 years straight. In the handful of cases it was voluntary, it usually involved the elite members of society adopting Christinanity superficially in exchange for perceived economic advantage and to avoid attrition and embargo from their Christian neighbours.The most notable example of relatively peaceful transition was Iceland. In that case it was decided democratically at the Althing in 1000 CE on the basis of the Pagan Goðorð law system in order to prevent the inevitability of widespread violent conflict already brewing under the surface. In the vast majority of cases the matter was decided by violent conquest (eg. Charlemagne) and frequently involved the wholesale genocide or enslavement of dissenters. Yeah sure there have also been some gullible folks who fell for missionary work, but as the saying goes "there's a sucker born every minute". That's not unique to the modern day.> I wouldn’t ever take that to heart,Similarly, Paganism continued to be practised privately and clandestinely (often in syncretic form) in many cases right into the present day all across Europe from east to west and north to south. Pagan practices are based in large part on self-evident truths of the natural world and human condition with just a superficial and allegorical top dressing of cultural fiction. Consequently many of those traditions are experiencing a revival and conscious/conscientious reinvention now that the coercive force has more or less relented (for now) thanks to widespread adoption of the post-enlightenment humanist values inspired by classical Pagan culture.
(DIR) Post #B1edJ4tHiBgc5x4dWq by KingOfWhiteAmerica@poa.st
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@toiletpaper @Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow Again it boils down to the age-old question I can’t ever get a straight answer to, from those outside; are Christians supposed to destroy their political enemies, or not ? Obviously, it makes no sense to actually take our cues from those outside - but it’s more a thought experiment than a real ask for advice. Perhaps more to the point - you don’t honestly expect a Nation to take its political cues from foreigners, do you ? The real risk posed by Christian heresy (as contrasted with Traditional Orthodoxy) is divided loyalty. Rulers play a terribly dangerous game, using modded Christianity as a means of social control - which is the narrative assumption I see flying around in these sorts of interactions. If centralized power is the goal, it strikes me there’d be safer ways to do it !
(DIR) Post #B1edJ5MLy6wFY6fqq0 by Xenophon@nicecrew.digital
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>are Christians supposed to destroy their political enemies?Yes
(DIR) Post #B1fBH9SX9TrA7toXxo by LivingSpaceStudios@poa.st
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@toiletpaper @Xenophon I can't believe this Pajeet is still here, LOL.
(DIR) Post #B1fBXRgHAiyPH00mbg by Xenophon@nicecrew.digital
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oh is the OP an sukdeep dikshit?
(DIR) Post #B1gj9XP5pmFlfihpRY by KingOfWhiteAmerica@poa.st
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@Xenophon @Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow @toiletpaper This is abundantly obvious, to me. But it evidently blows a lot of peoples’ minds, for whatever reason.
(DIR) Post #B1gmv5WX5ty0xxYEMq by LivingSpaceStudios@poa.st
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@Xenophon @toiletpaper I remember the last couple threads I saw him in. He sounded very brown and gay.
(DIR) Post #B1gplsNIuaQ3RSX8Fc by GenMouton@clew.lol
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@toiletpaper