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(DIR) Post #B0difjIu9wqMvjVtzc by Tutanota@mastodon.social
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Hello Mastodon Family! Lena here from marketing. I'm writing an article on instant messengers with interoperability and I'm looking for some more information on what actually makes a messenger interoperable. I thought of focusing on: Element, Delta, and SimpleX but I'm open to other suggestions! Could anyone kindly advise? ☺️
(DIR) Post #B0djRS1rgqOpFlIZkG by svans@mastodon.social
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@Tutanota Hi, Lena from the marketing department, what do you mean by "combine"? Where there's a collective farm, there's chaos.
(DIR) Post #B0djUmBvBSqSebaW1I by GOKUSHRM@mastodon.social
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@Tutanota briar & signal. I used simplex & deleted after 2/3days.. So laggy voice and video quality very badIthink conversation chat looks good.
(DIR) Post #B0djduJGMx1cRHNN2m by dj3dj3@piaille.fr
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@Tutanota there is @delta. private instant messenger based on email infrastructure. Perfect !
(DIR) Post #B0dk2guxIVq88ypA2q by veroandi@mastodon.social
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@Tutanota Maybe XMPP?https://xmpp.org/announcements/open-letter-meta-dma/technical-briefing/
(DIR) Post #B0dlJpElickQp7pG3E by markus@franken.social
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@Tutanota Nextcloud Talk?
(DIR) Post #B0dm3klqenqWIACNNI by cch@mstdn.business
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@Tutanota for me matrix is the best. Even if your relatives don’t use it you can bridge other places to it. Interoperable and encrypted
(DIR) Post #B0dmxqWsQyRAMtwWuG by zachari@aus.social
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@Tutanota Hello Lena, are you guys *secretly* building one?
(DIR) Post #B0dndQsICvN0xrn2Ce by chrysn@chaos.social
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@Tutanota When talking about interop, don't let anyone tell you that they can't become interoperable for security reasons: MLS exists, Google and Apple support it for RCS, and Matrix is migrating there.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messaging_Layer_SecurityNothing to tell people who want "just something to use right now", more for an "Outlook" section.
(DIR) Post #B0dnoDgNb0LhEeMT0y by nictakiego@mastodon.com.pl
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@Tutanota I guess most interoperable from these is Element. You can use it both for daily communication with friends, and for work or working on projects. Most importantly you can self host it, so actually own your data, which is a big plus for it. Yet...for communication with friends I'd still choose Signal, as its more popular, has better performance and privacy mechanisms (in comparison to matrix public instance). Well and for journalists simplex definitely shines. So I'd say it all depends on purpose, but objectively Element has the ability to be any of those 3 if done right.
(DIR) Post #B0dpiYgOnusiXNnaAy by Tutanota@mastodon.social
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@nictakiego Hey! Thanks so much for sharing this.
(DIR) Post #B0dpmVnHUGxejfu2Pw by Tutanota@mastodon.social
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@zachari No! 😀
(DIR) Post #B0dpyznjkLDtHE4KaO by perksofbeingben@tech.lgbt
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@Tutanota I could be thinking completely differently than where you are, but I would go for Matrix rather than Element. Element is cool, but it's the protocol behind it (Matrix) that truly makes Element interoperable. Without Matrix being an open and federated standard, Element would just be another closed chat app that doesn't allow people to speak with anyone unless they use Element. With Matrix I can speak not only to anyone on the Matrix network, but also a bunch of other bridged chat protocols. Incredible!
(DIR) Post #B0dpz0M7gUjEzs9nBQ by Tutanota@mastodon.social
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@perksofbeingben Awesome. Thanks for sharing this, Ben!
(DIR) Post #B0dpzcsMT55ySrX4i0 by Tutanota@mastodon.social
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@russ_am @delta Thanks for taking the time to explain this. 😊
(DIR) Post #B0dq15rSBdRKeOo8Qa by Tutanota@mastodon.social
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Thank you all for the advice and help. Much appreciated. ❤️
(DIR) Post #B0ds40u1HM7A35WnQ0 by gorujocy@cyberplace.social
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@Tutanota honestly an interoperable messenger has to be the fact that it can communicate across other servers and/or platforms, instead of covering just element, cover the matrix protocol, the underlying and see/cover https://docs.mau.fi/bridges/index.html and https://www.beeper.com/ (beeper uses Matrix for the underlying core too)
(DIR) Post #B0dsEhueDtYmL1v9we by cynical13@vivaldi.net
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@Tutanota We mostly use Element in our friend group. It's been great for keeping conversations siloed.
(DIR) Post #B0dt4JCfKxlKlHxDf6 by zachari@aus.social
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@Tutanota ☹️
(DIR) Post #B0duhCoX7rfGC4mHb6 by placebo@mastodon.ie
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@Tutanota @zachari you know how to keep a secret I see!
(DIR) Post #B0dz7AUInUGWKBwyJM by tekhne@mamot.fr
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@Tutanota SimpleX is not clean in terms of its relations with the far right.
(DIR) Post #B0dzLjluPPtboI8Hce by tekhne@mamot.fr
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@Tutanota #DeltaChat is truly one of the most secure with its decentralized servers.
(DIR) Post #B0e0LXtWfStcvbATVg by lascapi@social.tchncs.de
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@Tutanota Hello, I see you already had a lots of nice answer. Here is my point of view: interoperability could be see at the low protocol level or a highter level, lets say at the 'service or company' level. When today the EU talk about interoperability it's on the company level. Of course it's better if the protocol is the same or at least interoperable. But the real challenge here is to agree to collaborate. You god a lot of response talking about protocols: matrix, xmpp or email. In my point of view that the easiest part of the interoperability, even if it already not simple. And I was not aware that SimpleX is interoperable in any way! I'm working on a project of service that use mainly xmpp to let us talk between xmpp, matrix and sip users ( https://mio.chat/en/ ;) )
(DIR) Post #B0e37KUzyWulBsbmVc by DavyJones@c.im
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@Tutanota As it has not been mentioned I shall bring up veilid, it is not really finished but it is usable. https://veilid.com/
(DIR) Post #B0e5DdQOiqdPX9agU4 by portaloffreedom@social.linux.pizza
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@Tutanota keep in mind element is a terribile client for matrix. Better for mobile are fluffychat, element X. For desktop nheko or cinny.
(DIR) Post #B0e7CaygXCVxYzGClU by carturo222@ohai.social
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@Tutanota My go-to is Beeper, both on Android and Linux.
(DIR) Post #B0eIkkeOB3Aeu7Fxfk by MurrayWindripper@fosstodon.org
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@TutanotaI keep hearing about #SimpleX but background checks on who is behind it go back to some random Russian guy based in London. Not the best recommendation for either company director or country of registration.There's claims that it's been audited but only by one company "Trail of Bits".Then there's SimpleX disclaimer which specifically states that it may be neither secure or safe.Doesn't instil confidence.
(DIR) Post #B0egJhvyZAhBYp7V6O by SpaceLifeForm@infosec.exchange
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@Tutanota Drop the term 'instant'. Make sure it is distributed.Pick one. You do not get both.
(DIR) Post #B0fGpYRuxkVtlDXtSq by Tutanota@mastodon.social
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@lascapi Nice, thanks for taking the time to share this.
(DIR) Post #B0hW7ZQhwXSrdtwqoK by purrf@mastodon.social
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RE: https://mastodon.social/@Tutanota/115604026341095175You can't make this shit up 😂 😭
(DIR) Post #B0i6zojYr78H5vvu76 by dragospirvu75@mastodon.social
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@Tutanota XMPP. Open, standard, federated protocol from 1999. We need interoperability now more than ever. Maybe @threemaapp too, but it's centralized.
(DIR) Post #B0kDWRdWjwDT3ayIb2 by saif1@mastodon.social
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@Tutanota like tox chat
(DIR) Post #B0zeaAcDZtLPYhl7oG by tuxicoman@social.jesuislibre.net
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@Tutanota xmpp...