Post AztkOckeWwduK2J5gu by aral@mastodon.ar.al
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 (DIR) Post #Aztgby2KIx1EHhgGpc by andycarolan@social.lol
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       @_elena @elena With all the respect in the world, logo competitions are pretty universally frowned upon in the design industry. It's effectively speculative work.
       
 (DIR) Post #AztguK80uHkQ0t5sgq by michael@newsmast.social
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       @_elena @elena Varnish is so great!!!
       
 (DIR) Post #AztimcZyceAgpVd1H6 by nclm@mastodon.social
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       @_elena I know it’s an floss project, but this is basically asking for free spec work, with the off chance of getting paid a little only if you win. Not many professionals will answer that call.With their budget of 1500€, they can hire someone working fulltime for 2‑3 days maybe. The result will be much better, it’ll be an actual cooperation with proper briefing and feedback rounds, etc.With a contest, they risk having most people just sending things they spent a couple of hours on, tops.
       
 (DIR) Post #AztjHcdITOqVyNxoI4 by nclm@mastodon.social
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       @_elena Really they could either:– Go the proper way, make a call for offers, receive portfolios/quotes and choose one designer to collaborate with.– Go the open source way if they prefer, have people offering logos/mascots, all online, with public votes, etc.But the midway, asking for people to do the entire work and send it to them privately for them to choose, it’s making people work for free, not an open source contribution. They wouldn’t do that for pull requests or other dev tasks?
       
 (DIR) Post #Aztk3tdSYqMebc3hZo by nclm@mastodon.social
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       @_elena And if they really want to see several directions by several people (a luxury that most design clients don’t get really), they could use the budget they have for the second and third prizes to hire 2–3 people to create sketches/concepts before choosing one and pay them the first prize budget. But at least everyone gets hired fairly :)
       
 (DIR) Post #AztkHolnRooRZNb2sy by woe2you@toot.wales
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       @_elena @andycarolan It's not a nice opportunity, it's exploitation.No matter how much you personally like the software, this is shady as fuck and they've lost all my respect.https://www.nospec.com/
       
 (DIR) Post #AztkOckeWwduK2J5gu by aral@mastodon.ar.al
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       @_elena @elena Varnish Software is a VC funded corporation with ~84.5M SEK annual turnover.They can afford to hire a designer and pay them properly like they do everyone else who works for them.https://tracxn.com/d/companies/varnish-software/__NVwsqJztiiMDMENe3Et5nTplj52XAc9ZxixiNgHcTxI
       
 (DIR) Post #Aztkn92c86ARPuOtiS by KimSJ@mastodon.social
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       @_elena @aral Rather than taking the post down, maybe edit it?
       
 (DIR) Post #AztlLqQlJaZPphF3UO by KimSJ@mastodon.social
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       @_elena @aral 😍
       
 (DIR) Post #AztlV6QFEBDW2JPkNE by andycarolan@social.lol
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       @_elena Thanks Elena, oh yes, I'm 100% sure that it was well intentioned. It's totally impossible for us all to be aware of sentiment and practices within each other's industries. I'm sure I've taken missteps on occasion lol.Thanks for the discourse, and I hope that VinylCache find what they are looking for :) Wishing you a great day!@woe2you
       
 (DIR) Post #Aztm0OxIN8MuUbnXEG by aral@mastodon.ar.al
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       @_elena @KimSJ 💕
       
 (DIR) Post #AztmTRYllfsAy5AsXg by andycarolan@social.lol
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       @_elena You're welcome! Thanks for leaving the post in place with your edits! 🙂...Just a side note... this is what I love about Mastodon. We can have respectful and helpful discussions with each other about this kind of thing. It's awesome! @woe2you
       
 (DIR) Post #AzuSJncv45RoaQCQaW by mathcel@mathstodon.xyz
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       @_elena I think I'm late to the party, but this comic by @oatmeal sums it up, too: https://theoatmeal.com/comics/exposure
       
 (DIR) Post #Azy6TKb2QuaT5SIc6a by slink@fosstodon.org
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       @woe2you @nclm @_elena @andycarolan @aral and everyone else who commented: THANK YOUfor now, i learned a lot - we need to decide what to do next.
       
 (DIR) Post #Azy6TLbmfcmIE3eiuG by slink@fosstodon.org
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       @woe2you @_elena @andycarolan @aral @nclm An attempt to clarify and remedy is out: https://vinyl-cache.org/organization/logo-contest.html#edit-2-clarification-of-the-vinyl-cache-logo-competitionTHANK YOU again for your feedback and, in particular, those who helped us tremendously with suggestions on how to improve.