Post AukvYMvU0qoaplWM8e by dominik@librem.one
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(DIR) Post #AugQj4yZDXLb8Vkc8u by Tutanota@mastodon.social
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Hey, @protonprivacy why so quiet? Are you accepting the challenge?Background:1. Proton's marketing team commented on our #deGoogle recommendation post on LinkedIn, complaining that we must list Proton Mail as well.2. The entire marketing team upvoted their comment to make it go viral.3. We replied, challenging them to publish a similar list with Tuta Mail included.4. Our marketing team tried to upvote as well to make it go viral, but obviously we're not enough people 😅(1/2)🧵
(DIR) Post #AugQoAa1oBTpxuhTlY by Tutanota@mastodon.social
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@protonprivacy 5. Now, Proton has gone quiet.Link: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7330891568670781440/?commentUrn=urn%3Ali%3Acomment%3A%28activity%3A7330891568670781440%2C7330951517820162049%29&replyUrn=urn%3Ali%3Acomment%3A%28activity%3A7330891568670781440%2C7331667948945743873%29&dashCommentUrn=urn%3Ali%3Afsd_comment%3A%287330951517820162049%2Curn%3Ali%3Aactivity%3A7330891568670781440%29&dashReplyUrn=urn%3Ali%3Afsd_comment%3A%287331667948945743873%2Curn%3Ali%3Aactivity%3A7330891568670781440%29
(DIR) Post #AugRdfmVYvghVG621A by Foxle@mastodon.social
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@Tutanota @protonprivacy Ich nutze Tuta und Proton...Was soll dieser schwachsinnige Konkurrenzkampf - oder soll ich sagen Krieg?Sollten die auf der "guten Seite der Macht" nicht besser zusammen halten?Gilt für euch alle...
(DIR) Post #AugRrL7jAEvxULXRBY by kleisli@mastodon.social
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@Tutanota funny thing: with pushing their comment, @protonprivacy also pushed your post. 😉But your "challenge" sounds like a good deal to me. 👍
(DIR) Post #AugTaKDlSzyXfsNPzE by lorem@run0.ing
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@Tutanota Really? What could achieve by this childish "challenge"? Your "marketing team" is hurting your brand and professional reputation. I would expect more about your product details and updates, or privacy research like EFF, not another type of advertisement. As for Proton, they have their own problem (CEO).
(DIR) Post #AugTaKVqNmRAZwprAO by Tutanota@mastodon.social
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@lorem This marketing tactic is exactly why we are calling for fair play (or in this case a fair battle). We are all in for fair play, but what they did there is the exact opposite.
(DIR) Post #AugVbIn6T7y9RAV2lE by RubenWA@vivaldi.net
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@Tutanota @protonprivacy I got both Protonmail and Tutamail. Both I don't like the way Tuta is attacking Proton. It's not professional, not necessary and it looks like Tuta is becoming the GOP under the de-Googled applications.
(DIR) Post #AugW6ztmFHsO6tjcTQ by tpsk@mastodon.social
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@Tutanota just focus your efforts on Drive so you become a better alternative to Proton rather than a pointless beef on LinkedIn ;)
(DIR) Post #AugWIikhoxagPI58lc by countdracula@mas.to
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@Tutanota They say they're consolidating their social media presence because of "limited resources" and then say they're no longer posting on Mastodon. I have to wonder what no longer posting on Mastodon has to do with their limited resources. Do businesses, for profit and not for profit, have to pay for accounts on Mastodon?@protonprivacy
(DIR) Post #AugWdUbhbjhCcLm8YK by sturmsucht@mastodon.social
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@Tutanota @protonprivacy well, they are right. and you are right as well. it's your marketing, so you can do whatever you want. so can they.
(DIR) Post #AugY3CTDlK4lqnd9Jg by ProfessorCode@fosstodon.org
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@Tutanota Honestly, I have to agree with a few others who have said the same thing. This isn't professional behavior.I actually prefer Tuta over Proton as a service. However, I don't find it appropriate to see you all pick fights with your direct competitor so often.Although you can choose which services you want to recommend, couldn't that post by Proton's marketing team been handled in a way that doesn't try to challenge and incite them?
(DIR) Post #AugZMIcdDL9YO0hf2u by Baffling7384@hostux.social
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@Tutanota @protonprivacy Honestly why does this matter?
(DIR) Post #AugZOQAW7x62N2Z4YC by Tutanota@mastodon.social
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@tpsk True, thanks for your feedback. 😍
(DIR) Post #AugdETJ00eQ91J2kKm by Tutanota@mastodon.social
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@ProfessorCode True - we wouldn't comment in such a way on their posts, and never have. Isn't it fair to draw attention to such unfair tactics?
(DIR) Post #Augde27ngmF4FYzgQq by rpedro@mastodon.social
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@Tutanota This online bickering comes off as childish and, as others remarked, unprofessional. Both parties here are making a case against American big tech monopolies and their inherent erosion of user privacy standards, with their respective products, so this adversarial posture is unwarranted and disadvantageous for our collective cause. I generally love your posts and online presence advocating for our pro-european and pro-privacy tech alternatives, but @protonprivacy do raise 1/3
(DIR) Post #AugdjDSSymVOqc8Di4 by rpedro@mastodon.social
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a valid point of not listing your direct e-mail competitors on an otherwise stellar roster. Not just @protonprivacy, but no mention of your fellow countrymen from Mailbox.org or Posteo. I get that advertising for your competitors might feel like shooting yourself in the foot, but none are big enough individually against the likes of Google or MS, and the reason we want to move away from these giants, is because we recognize the harms of monopolies and the benefits of healthy competition. 2/3
(DIR) Post #Augdm3DfVFFDxgYt4y by rpedro@mastodon.social
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So it strikes the userbase as a mixed message to stand against a monopoly and somewhat overtly overlook the competition at the same time, when we're pushing for our alternative ecosystem. Acknowledge the rest of the players in the game you're playing, but enhance the importance of your role, by the merit of your strenghts, that's what we want to keep seeing from @Tutanota 3/3
(DIR) Post #AugeJ2BwLTxuKWTsno by stux@mstdn.social
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@protonprivacy has crawled back into it's hole after their terrible use of company accounts for personal opinionsProton is nothing better then Microsoft or Google@Tutanota
(DIR) Post #Augl2xBpsCkDraiAUK by joelvdc@mastodon.social
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@Tutanota @protonprivacy This is some stupid challenge. You had the initiative to post the list and they complained/commented that Proton mail was not included. It’s within their right and they are correct, Proton Mail is the only product that can be comparable to Tuta Mail. You guys are competitors, not enemies, and should be focusing your energies on improving your own services instead of this. For the record, I use both Proton and Tuta and I am happy with both.
(DIR) Post #Augm1BUNq2G5aQ6ho8 by mariob@liberdon.com
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@Tutanota @protonprivacy the challenge is rather funny and harmless. I don't know what's wrong with people around here.Thumbs down to proton for leaving the fediverse in favour of big tech diarrhea (linkedin).
(DIR) Post #AugpBPL9UjhNIrM7U0 by Tutanota@mastodon.social
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@sturmsucht @protonprivacy True, and if they ask for something, we can ask back. ;)
(DIR) Post #AugpEEf3egbT3H0zJ2 by Tutanota@mastodon.social
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@countdracula They are all on LinkedIn now. 😉
(DIR) Post #AugpG0xHaKXd7eO5z6 by Tutanota@mastodon.social
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@mariob We agree 💯 It's meant to be funny.
(DIR) Post #AugpN8KaYmDc1dgR2O by Tutanota@mastodon.social
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@jnuyttens We fully agree. Yet, we wouldn't comment in such a way on their posts, and never have. So it's just fair to point to these unfair marketing tactics, don't you think?
(DIR) Post #AugpSLV31hVQJc3qgS by Tutanota@mastodon.social
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@RubenWA We agree, and we would never have started this. Yet, we wouldn't comment in such a way on their posts, and never have. So it's just fair to point to these unfair marketing tactics, don't you think?
(DIR) Post #AugpXKZftVoEtRbPIO by Tutanota@mastodon.social
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@Foxle Wir stimmen voll und ganz zu. Dennoch würden wir ihre Beiträge nicht auf diese Weise kommentieren und haben dies auch nie getan. Es ist also nur fair, auf diese unlauteren Marketing-Taktiken hinzuweisen, meinst du nicht auch?
(DIR) Post #AugpbCdXLfVDQvFsdU by Tutanota@mastodon.social
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@joelvdc We fully agree. Yet, we wouldn't comment in such a way on their posts, and never have. So it's just fair to point to these unfair marketing tactics, don't you think?
(DIR) Post #Augpdn7WfqYnAGW5aq by torcon@meetiko.org
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@Tutanota@mastodon.social @protonprivacy@mastodon.social hey, long-time user here. I don't really understand this kind of behaviour from you. you were doing everything right, staying in the fediverse and all, and I don't see what good comes from stooping to their level. some of us stick with you instead of them because we don't agree with their aggressive marketing and somewhat sketchy practices. please consider backing down on this attitude and keeping up the good work.
(DIR) Post #AugpdnUZIAzYJjIUVc by Tutanota@mastodon.social
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@torcon We fully agree. Yet, we wouldn't comment in such a way on their posts, and never have. So it's just fair to point to these unfair marketing tactics, don't you think?
(DIR) Post #AugqYg7pM1TzyYmdEW by Foxle@mastodon.social
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@Tutanota Ich vermisse regelmäßig bei euch den Hinweis auf Posteo...Da war ich zuerst und werde es auch bleiben. Unlauter?
(DIR) Post #Augr3oHT59y0FM8aDA by Tutanota@mastodon.social
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@Foxle Danke für dein Feedback. Auf keinen Fall, so nehmen wir das gerne auf! 😀
(DIR) Post #AugrrpyF4bk3y101uS by sofalion@mastodon.social
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@Tutanota @protonprivacyTuta: *pretends competition doesnt exist*Competition: hey, we're here, mention usTuta: nah u first lolCompetition: ...Tuta: y so quiet lol
(DIR) Post #AugsjsYveZbDdtvdBo by countdracula@mas.to
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@Tutanota Good for them. 😀 Whatever works, I guess.
(DIR) Post #AugvbZn1rhzExyFxD6 by brianstorms@mastodon.social
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@Tutanota @jnuyttens It’s weird seeing the same reply to different replies. Rather bottish of you. You aren’t a bot, are you, anonymous Tutanota account?
(DIR) Post #Auh3QJKTWYhuMY2WFE by mintydev@mastodon.social
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@Tutanota @ProfessorCode it might have just landed better if you'd included them after their response and then made a lighthearted comment like that after, imho.
(DIR) Post #AuhF0NgntDZZo2syyO by Tutanota@mastodon.social
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@mintydev @ProfessorCode Agreed, we just weren't quick enough with the idea...
(DIR) Post #AuhF71dsG825SGgSbg by Tutanota@mastodon.social
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@brianstorms @jnuyttens Nope, not a bot, but if there are similar comments, the answer is the same to each...
(DIR) Post #AuhsD4YiDxBaS18ygK by bamatmar@mstdn.social
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@Tutanota @protonprivacy
(DIR) Post #AukvYMvU0qoaplWM8e by dominik@librem.one
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@Tutanota @protonprivacy It is a fact that Proton is really bad for privacy advocates. They are marketing, but in reality there are technically and ideologically much more stable providers. #Tuta and #Posteo have been mentioned here several times. #Proton users, please look behind the scenes. This provider is perhaps better than Google, but still not a very good solution.
(DIR) Post #AupL9swZD5zsKqqyf2 by emberfox@bark.lgbt
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@TutanotaProton isn't really a real privacy alternative. They use the same PGP protocol that has existed for a while. Also they don't properly encrypt things like your contacts. @protonprivacy Why as a company that cares about privacy and free choice would you stop posting on a platform such as Mastodon? A lack of presence on Mastodon is a red flag among the many.