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(DIR) Post #AsW5XCtdIPRlk3HGls by mntmn@mastodon.social
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lets say someone made an OSHW touch device running linux that's intended to fit in your pant/dress/jacket/handbag pocket. what would be the maximum display size (diagonal, inches) you would tolerate? bonus if you like rabbitholes like this: maximum thickness and weight?
(DIR) Post #AsW5Zu4NkWH2DkaiDA by mhoye@mastodon.social
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@mntmn Fold or no fold?
(DIR) Post #AsW5d8yInhqDJ6IC8m by mntmn@mastodon.social
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@mhoye no fold at first to keep it easy
(DIR) Post #AsW5yyFRLqTkQ3iUCG by mhoye@mastodon.social
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@mntmn I should have specified fold-as-in-GBA-hinge, not fold-as-in-bendy-LCD, but also: Keyboard or no keyboard?
(DIR) Post #AsW6G82oBMaJizzQEC by latsku@infosec.exchange
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@mntmn Have been using my Galaxy S21 for three years and still the 6,4" screen feeds too large. My thumbs just don't reach the corners comfortably.
(DIR) Post #AsW6J5p0tysbhUx0Gu by mntmn@mastodon.social
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@latsku so you would prefer 5.5 inch?
(DIR) Post #AsW6LLxLswjeJtvdho by mntmn@mastodon.social
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@mhoye lets say the keyboard is a separate thing, attached magnetically or as a case
(DIR) Post #AsW6ZAwbcmLwDlAe1Y by gnomon@mastodon.social
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@mntmn 16cm diagonal maximum (outer case dimension, not screen size), maximum thickness 2.5cm (enough to hold an 18650, I know that's very chunky), with lanyard holes and 1/4-20" screw threads on the four edges to fit a finger loop or hand strap or whatever
(DIR) Post #AsW6bVlz9f0vOoJi6K by hamhamm@hamhamm.social
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@mntmn Honestly I think there's two form factors that matter... What can be used one handed, and what needs two hand to fully effectively use!As for inches, I'd say around 5-7 inch range is a good length for one handedness.
(DIR) Post #AsW6jh5KyqkCneGp9c by evangelos@libretooth.gr
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@mntmn 4-5" (screen size / min bezels)
(DIR) Post #AsW7AnqvvV2jblSYaG by fabrice@fosstodon.org
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@mntmn 5 inches, bezels as small as possible. Thickness may not be an issue if it's sturdy enough to not require a case.
(DIR) Post #AsW7MK2eaYfGcsQzyq by copypasteninja@norden.social
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@mntmn 5.4" to 5.8" display like a iphone 13 mini or Pixel 4a. Thickness depends on the feeling :) ~10mm probably.
(DIR) Post #AsW7Tlc2Tnt6A7XGdc by sontags@mstdn.social
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@mntmn depends on the function of the device... Phone? Tiny, 5-6'. eReader? Not as tiny, 6-7'.
(DIR) Post #AsW7V3BCePxKw3axuq by morl0ck@mastodon.social
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@mntmn 4 inch would be easiest for one handed operation. But it all depends on the aspect ratio really.There was the idea of the pinecom pda which had a lot of good ideas for a pocket linux touch device
(DIR) Post #AsW7ua3pXLeK9bJvhQ by dos@librem.one
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@mntmn I have accepted the Librem 5's size (6.6" including all bezels), but reluctantly. Could tolerate something a bit thicker still, but would definitely prefer the diagonal to be shorter.
(DIR) Post #AsW85BtzhMkmPdmMim by j4n3z@mastodon.social
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@mntmn edge to edge screen 6,5", with bezels 5,5" (rn I daily drive FP3 and would not want anything significantly larger).As of thickness, 20mm + case if it was designed to hold comfortably.And I don't really care about weight as long as it is distributed somewhat evenly and is reasonably justified (easy to open, aluminium/steel frame for durability etc).
(DIR) Post #AsW85V4GRPG3qzjKro by choong@mstdn.social
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@mntmn This can be a divisive topic but the iPhone 5 was the last device with a shape I really liked, the XS was tolerable, and my current 14 Pro is irritating and I haven't gotten used to it even after two years.
(DIR) Post #AsW8RA7Z08stG8bQxs by scops@social.tchncs.de
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@mntmn depends on the borders. Let's say they are around 2 milimeters: 8 Inch with 16:10 ratio and 1.5 cm thickness for me :)
(DIR) Post #AsW8SpXgU1ym0ycFTk by nadia@raru.re
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@mntmn Prefer <=5, tolerate <=5.5
(DIR) Post #AsW9QJxP2rtfQj0raa by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
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@mntmn ~4.5" depending on aspect ratio. Though that's a hand limitation, not a pocket limitation.
(DIR) Post #AsW9q53f3uoQkbDuYy by stereo@freiburg.social
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@mntmn @mhoye the pinephone + keyboard case but "in working", purple, metal.
(DIR) Post #AsWA3lTse7eU5U0pA8 by homo_particeps@fosstodon.org
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@mntmnNot bigger than fp5
(DIR) Post #AsWAOLSwZ54zU5O5r6 by sonny@floss.social
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@mntmn up to 7 inch (but would prefer smaller). Thickness/weight not an issue if it's sturdy, decent battery life and I can dock to keyboard/screen.
(DIR) Post #AsWAzScOw0rINkVdYW by tokudan@chaos.social
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@mntmn my limit is mostly the device size not the display size and i'd go for 15cm (~ 6 inches) diagonal max device size.display size probably 5.5in or something like that.max thickness probably 1cm, preferably less.
(DIR) Post #AsWBHn3dgFdazBzQjA by CyReVolt@mastodon.social
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@mntmn 7" would be awesome, half my laptop size.7" for a shmol pocket device, 14" for a laptop, and 28" for my external screens - would be a dream!
(DIR) Post #AsWBiyRfRx3W7fBucK by ieure@retro.social
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@mntmn Depends a lot on bezel size, but 7-8". The original GPD Pocket is around the size I'd be targeting, but with smaller bezels and a better layout.
(DIR) Post #AsWCNVQUFMI9zixxAW by latsku@infosec.exchange
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@mntmn probably yes, still fond memories of my LG Nexus 5X which was 5.2". Similarly Apple SE 2. gen was nice being only 4.7".
(DIR) Post #AsWCoXLTDg83lVVc2K by fabrixxm@mastodon.social
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@mntmn my preferred touch device running linux that I owned and fitted in my pockets was the Jolla 1: 4.5" display.
(DIR) Post #AsWEK0U12HFh494lP6 by claudius@darmstadt.social
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@mntmn I try to find phones that are no longer than 15cm/6" because that what I can keep in normal pockets in my jeans relatively easily.
(DIR) Post #AsWEn3Floayo3VGJk0 by robinheghan@snabelen.no
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@mntmn the Nokia N900 was perfect!https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N900
(DIR) Post #AsWFHsw2EDGp1yjYQq by cerement@social.targaryen.house
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@mntmn MNT Palm Pilot?With its own little MNT stylus and updated Graffiti?(Palm Portable Keyboard was also a really neat accessory that W-folded into a nice compact package as well)
(DIR) Post #AsWFJoqAQHsWuWuYwi by jago@mementomori.social
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@mntmn 130*65*15 and not a mm more. (I measured the Sony Xperia XZ1c with a case). 145 diagonal
(DIR) Post #AsWIHmcO0w6JImBc12 by bytebro@mastodonapp.uk
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@mntmn Erm, I'm probably being over literal here, but what's wrong with a 'normal' phone form-factor? I want a phone that does phone-stuff that doesn't run Android or Apple stuff, and doesn't require a Google or Apple account. There have been a few attempts in recent years, but none are yet fit for 'real world' use.
(DIR) Post #AsWIVfZf04VlVeX5ns by tommythorn@chaos.social
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@mntmn My current iPhone 13 Pro Max is pushing up against the limit in height (at 16 cm). All remaining dimensions (8 x 0.8) have room to grow a little. My eyes say bigger is better. That said, it’s more a camera than anything else.
(DIR) Post #AsWJaT1VBwI9zAPIcC by graur@mastodon.social
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@mntmn around 5" would bei nice. Ideally with Display Out
(DIR) Post #AsWNAoRhJv3GiJgMme by gvv@noc.social
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@mntmn I find the 8.3" iPad mini form factor to be a good compromise between portability, weight, and enough screen for large fonts for my old eyes. The Librem 5 is about right for a phone, but battery life and software holds it back as a daily phone, and I find myself carrying my Pixel 6 around still.What I'd love love love to own is an e-ink linux device with all day battery to hold my Calibre library and follow my RSS/masto feeds without adding another backlit device to my life!
(DIR) Post #AsWNLstP7wp7gtvBD6 by mntmn@mastodon.social
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@bytebro yeah, i also can't make a full smartphone replacement on a shoestring budget
(DIR) Post #AsWVSo3oI5LsMfbGwC by talmage@fosstodon.org
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@mntmn If someone were to make such a device and if I were to purchase one or successfully make one of my own, I would want it to fit in my shirt pocket, 10-11cm wide by 12-13cm tall. For reference, my Pixel 8a is about 7.5cm by 15cm. It's OK that it sticks out of the top of my shirt pocket.
(DIR) Post #AsWVThqcsI51NzrXA8 by jschlatow@floss.social
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@mntmn For a pocket-size touch device, I'd consider 6" the maximum tolerable display size. Everything between 5" and 6" is comfort zone. I wouldn't mind a bit of chunkiness, though. I think 15mm thickness is well manageable. Don't care about weight.
(DIR) Post #AsWY7SNc0Gbeu9NE1o by me@chrichri.ween.de
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@mntmn@mastodon.social I'm using a Librem5 since years and am fine with its size. Shouldn't be bigger, but faster ;-)
(DIR) Post #AsWZM3WKoOMA6QykS0 by mntmn@mastodon.social
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extremely low-fi and thicc protoype to test some dimensions and weight (crafted with cardboard and tape by @theawesomerandomness around pocket reform electronics)
(DIR) Post #AsWZVSy9Z017dXThFg by mntmn@mastodon.social
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@theawesomerandomness short video clip
(DIR) Post #AsWZvvjhEQVSNuKp2u by cienmilojos@infosec.exchange
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@mntmn @theawesomerandomness that's the coolest rectangle I've seen all day
(DIR) Post #AsWZwArgyyobJ3Bv5k by vitali64sur@mamot.fr
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@mntmn @theawesomerandomness looks slightly big compared to my phone, but really good ^^
(DIR) Post #AsWZzE3xY7vc5pNsx6 by KoffeeMug@fosstodon.org
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@mntmn @theawesomerandomness I imagined this prototype but with color eink display ^w^
(DIR) Post #AsWa98vjUHln4PGV0q by goatwildernesscollective@librem.one
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@mntmn @theawesomerandomness it would fit perfectly in your trouser side pocket!
(DIR) Post #AsWaq8NXPiVXoNlpqa by mntmn@mastodon.social
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@goatwildernesscollective @theawesomerandomness yes it also fits in the top pocket (in the picture)! but it's a large pocket as well
(DIR) Post #AsWawZIMFgRX1rPpfU by xha@climatejustice.social
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@mntmn @theawesomerandomness does that run on rk3588? :flan_think: :flan_excite:
(DIR) Post #AsWawZlmUHykV7BKWu by mntmn@mastodon.social
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@xha @theawesomerandomness in this demo yes
(DIR) Post #AsWbGnw5WlKQEDeGh6 by jfred@jawns.club
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@mntmn @theawesomerandomness I do really like the 7" tablet form factor, though for me it'd definitely be more of a "throw it in my bag" kind of device than a pocketable one. Feels like that's just big enough to have a reason to use it over my phone even if I also have my phone with me
(DIR) Post #AsWbON3lKv8fBpqWGm by mntmn@mastodon.social
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@jfred @theawesomerandomness that's interesting!
(DIR) Post #AsWbsKpUC1i4xbSLyK by lizzard@social.tchncs.de
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@mntmn @theawesomerandomness envious of those pockets. Did you notice how women's clothing has none or ridiculously small pockets?
(DIR) Post #AsWbyrHSSA8PLLeOf2 by subarashi@mastodon.world
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@mntmn @theawesomerandomness mnt phone omg it looks so cool I love it
(DIR) Post #AsWddMo8ktJ6f0ojOi by mntmn@mastodon.social
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@lizzard yes, especially as @theawesomerandomness is a fashion designer by training we're discussing all kinds of garments and their pockets :D
(DIR) Post #AsWdo3yL7qPPQdgjqK by lizzard@social.tchncs.de
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@mntmn @theawesomerandomness Hate not having pockets. Love clothes designers who think about pockets.
(DIR) Post #AsWdvEn3Iqn70UpVWy by mntn@mastodon.sdf.org
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@mntmn @theawesomerandomness Oh interesting. I like mini tablets, if this were thinner it could be a good email and e-reader device. Right now the only options in this size are iPad minis and Android tablets running ancient versions with sketchy bloatware.
(DIR) Post #AsWfsA2sgf2TKatVY0 by Delib@floss.social
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The small N900 screen was good, since a resistive-screen stylus controlled all those linux app buttons so easily. No finger-width spacing! The stylus was simple plastic, easy to replace. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N900I read makers saying they don't want to make room for a stylus, but honestly I would be willing to hold mine on with a rubberband, to get that level of touch-screen control again. #FOSS #PHOSH #pinephone #n900 #smallComputing #linuxphone@mntmn
(DIR) Post #AsWgiIptFWdheWgHeS by elithebearded@fed.qaz.red
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@mntmn I'd really want a real keyboard. (Typing this on a blackberry knock-off.)I bought new a Sharp Wizard OZ-7000 many years ago and carried it in my pocket for years. Mine is in the photo on Wikipedia and the article has exact dimensions. The later Wizard models were I think the same size, but rotated for QWERTY reasons (image). As for weight, I've used a 400g cellphone for a while (until it killed its own USB port dropping with the cord in). It was a beast but usable.
(DIR) Post #AsWillhIbEajwSRVyK by carstoid@mathstodon.xyz
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@mntmn @theawesomerandomness looks so cool! I would want 10” and a stylus for drawing, personally. and maybe a physical keyboard?
(DIR) Post #AsWk0MF9cQqpIOnavg by magnetic_tape@infosec.exchange
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@mntmnThe average thumb length is about 89mm (3.5") so it's the maximal diagonal I would be ok with (it might be one of the few thing I agree with Steve Jobs¹). Regarding thickness I think there's a lot of headroom for thicker devices and that an uneven (yet smooth) thick device could be designed and would also be desirable for ergonomic reasons (nicer grip). There's very few modern examples in this space so there's a lot to experiment ; the last device I have in mind with variable thickness is the (very good) Lenovo Yoga Tab2 from 2015, and one can very well imagine using regular cylindric and replaceable battery cells in the thicker part of such a modern/OSS device which would use a round/thicker part (Lenovo even put a pico projector in it!)¹ https://www.phonearena.com/news/Did-you-know-Steve-Jobs-believed-that-no-one-wanted-to-buy-big-smartphones_id82840
(DIR) Post #AsWkZsQzvQiNGnH96W by gvv@noc.social
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@mntmn @theawesomerandomness despite chonk, if it has all day battery, I would replace my iPad mini as soon as you're ready to ship! But e-ink would be even better for my typical use cases...
(DIR) Post #AsWpRA8nDvTvLkQNA8 by t36s@social.ordinal.garden
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@mntmn @theawesomerandomness I like it. Thicc, chonky boy. For me it can be any size really, so long as the weight does not cause pain in my pinky finger. I place the weight of the device on my pinky finger as it is resting there, regardless of the size of the device. There's no stopping that pinky fatigue except keeping the weight down.
(DIR) Post #AsWrAmf4x1h1nyqMnA by lorentz@mastodon.uno
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@mntmn my favourite size for the diagonal depends too much by the usecase of this device: is it a phone like that I carry with me every time I'm out of home or a tablet like that I carry only on longer trips? For the thickness I want the bare minimum that can accommodate screws on the back and a replaceable battery enclosed in a hard case.
(DIR) Post #AsXBYPbOKqyIJwfAYa by codemonkeymike@fosstodon.org
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@mntmn @theawesomerandomness so cool. What's the os and virtual keyboard
(DIR) Post #AsXHXndg54RkIyp7vk by opensourceopenmind@vivaldi.net
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@mntmn 7-8 inches would be great especially if it's a narrow design like 18:9. Might be too large for some folks but reengineering my pocket is easier than engineering and producing a phone. In fact, I have a skilled pocket engineer available in-house.Also, Small designs limit usability. #Linuxphones are full fledged computers so larger screens allow you to use it as a pocket pc without plugging in peripherals. My #Librem5 screen is 5.7" but practically it's almost reduced by half by the onscreen keyboard.
(DIR) Post #AsXOciMZp5Fv4N7Dt2 by morl0ck@mastodon.social
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@mntmn @theawesomerandomness what size did you go for?The 8inch iPad mini size is so ideally for a companion device
(DIR) Post #AsXOzo051w87DHbTdI by ColdSideOfYourPillow@jorts.horse
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@mntmn @theawesomerandomness I did **NOT** expect this banger when I came back from my vacations today. This is so cool!
(DIR) Post #AsXUGG7Kl8Baowf3xI by ernstgreiner@techhub.social
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@mntmn @mhoye I think 'roll' will be the future.
(DIR) Post #AsXVmITvbULLNI4Qa0 by Peter_Panther@mastodon.social
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@mntmnFairphone size
(DIR) Post #AsXfP89UqF84Df6cAy by ljrk@todon.eu
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@mntmn Tolerate is tricky. Since my current non-OSHW pocket device is around 6" the OSHW just needs to be around the dame size. To make me happy however, something around 4" (actually *fits* in my pocket) would be highly desirable. The Xperia Minis or Xperia T where quite perfect in that regard, earlier iPhone SEs too.Although, my preference would be to not even have a pocket device at all: Often I do not have pockets, devices may fall out of them (especially when biking), I forget/misplace such devices, etc. :'-D
(DIR) Post #AsXfgf4RhjxvEm6QiW by mensrea@freeradical.zone
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@mntmn @theawesomerandomness i've been thinking about a device like this for a bit and it depends what the use case is. as a media/low work terminal, these proportions look good. as long as there are real ports on it
(DIR) Post #AsXgc9TrJVxa3fP38S by cafehaine@fosstodon.org
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@mntmn I so want a 7inch/A6 monochrome Linux PDA/ereader with pen and capacitive touche support
(DIR) Post #AsXnX727gWeShOyRM0 by justin@toot.io
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@mntmn the size of the Pixel 3a.
(DIR) Post #AsXrUxLH92V9sd9xKK by JanUwU42@sakurajima.moe
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@mntmn this is so cool!
(DIR) Post #AsXuA5KCZOsoQ3Of2m by mewe@todon.eu
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@mntmn @theawesomerandomness does that include that there is a good chance in the near future to get a display update with touch, fitting in the pocket reform?
(DIR) Post #AsXunROUS27Q9wAXU8 by tor@norden.social
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@mntmn @theawesomerandomness A little too big for my taste. I own a smartphone, tablet and laptop. I haven't used the tablet for several years. I used the smartphone instead (Google Pixel).
(DIR) Post #AsY16BD7RbgjC7AXAm by mhoye@mastodon.social
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@ernstgreiner @mntmn “Pardon me I need to take this”[unrolls phone like he’s announcing a Roman decree]
(DIR) Post #AsY16BdLs4fiVTRU3s by mntmn@mastodon.social
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@mhoye @ernstgreiner randomly reminds me of snow crash, didn't they have scrolls there with brain-infecting bitmaps etc
(DIR) Post #AsY8qVp3qCnE7ZxKoS by sys64738@www.librepunk.club
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@mntmn Nintendo DSi/3DS XL size, maybe 20% thicker?
(DIR) Post #AsYDyPgN3NB9AJThhY by gnomon@mastodon.social
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@mntmn @mhoye @ernstgreiner *rolls phone to scroll through TikTok feed* yeah we have the brain infecting bitmaps too
(DIR) Post #AsYLWqUsYxpRr2T7T6 by dheadshot@mastodon.social
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@mntmn I'd prefer thickness to a too-big screen size. I don't know why phones need to be so thin. I'd be happy with a traditional PDA...
(DIR) Post #AsYZvBAEm1SqGDJKpU by morl0ck@mastodon.social
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@mntmn @theawesomerandomness the mnt reform "note"
(DIR) Post #AsYkyzbMnrnz3R1ON6 by chesterdott@fosstodon.org
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@mntmn ir should have a rugged shell, and perhaps a strap, so one could hold it over the shoulder like a women's handbag. Should perhaps have a cover with in-built keyboard (a la Windows surface, but better?)Good luck!!
(DIR) Post #Asa1Nj7J1WA9akjjbU by reboot@www.librepunk.club
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@mntmn Pickpockets are experts at using a small knife to cut open pockets at the bottom to let the content fall into their hands but are less eager to try that on a front pant pocket than on a side/back pant/dress/jacket pocket or handbag. At the same time some sturdiness can help to avoid bendgate.
(DIR) Post #AsclKEslxiZhA08Lj6 by BUF0@mastodon.social
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@mntmn @theawesomerandomness I hope to hear from it soon, I like what I see. 👀
(DIR) Post #AsqOECeRlabflq1at6 by khanate@mastodon.social
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@mntmn 7.3 inches diagonal (5:4 or 4:3 aspect ratio) display size, 13 mm thickness and 350 g weight
(DIR) Post #AstPptXRxVdIvSAVHM by 22Lukas@mastodon.social
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@mntmn @theawesomerandomness Wow, FOSS and OSHW touch device.If the device has the following features, I am willing to make sacrifices in thickness, weight and price.A slot for microSD card and nano-SIM, Microphone, Speaker, Audio Jack, Camera, WiFi & Bluetooth, USB-C, long battery life.Privacy switch for LTE/GNSS, WiFi, Bluetooth, Microphone, Speaker, Camera.
(DIR) Post #AtBkjrDLHc01rW0KGm by badrihippo@fosstodon.org
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@mntmn so the "problem" is I want all the combos, or rather never know which combo I want.I suspect this would be a big engineering challenge, but what if the mainboard were a separate thing that could:- snap onto the touchscreen to make a tablet- snap onto the keyboard to connect to an external monitor as a desktop- snap onto the keyboard, then attach to the touchscreen with a hinge somehow to make a laptop that protects the screen while travelling@mhoye