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(DIR) Post #Anjg3iXNfmATVtVdAW by Tutanota@mastodon.social
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We'd like to hear your feedback!Brave people asked us to include Brave as a Google Chrome alternative. In the original post, Brave was not included because it is based on Chromium.What are your thoughts: Should we, or should we not include Brave in this image of Google alternatives? Why?https://mastodon.social/@Tutanota/113380857849213083
(DIR) Post #AnjgGraPLBqdLIC3XM by silmathoron@floss.social
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@Tutanota based on Blink, so reinforces Google's monopoly on web engines, and uses crypto and ad services... I wouldn't.
(DIR) Post #AnjgKpEc1eaBCvt7ia by 10leej@fosstodon.org
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@Tutanota you should mention open source alternatives.
(DIR) Post #AnjgX2RClLS3dCbMwa by jana@social.jsteuernagel.de
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@Tutanota Not only are they Chromium based and thus IMO shouldn't be included if vanilla Chromium is in the list, but they also have their weird crypto stuff and the CEO has A LOT of problematic views.So that's a solid NO.
(DIR) Post #AnjgaKrUidh5doTFFA by noodlejetski@masto.ai
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@Tutanota https://www.spacebar.news/stop-using-brave-browser/
(DIR) Post #AnjgmJ3tEmUbX7yca0 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
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@Tutanota It’s run by a homophobe. You decide.https://www.ft.com/content/461bf398-47ee-11e4-ac9f-00144feab7de
(DIR) Post #Anjgt4jAvhTn6VW0bQ by solstice@cyberpunk.lol
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@Tutanota I'm not really fond of including it due to the founders homophobic past. The argument of not including it because it's Chromium falls short in my opinion as DuckDuckGo and Privacy Browser are included, which on Android use System WebView (likely Chrome WebView). WebView is a lot less secure then a Chromium based browser.I believe Firefox based browsers are also less secure on Android due to not having Per-Site Process Isolation.
(DIR) Post #AnjgvQJLebZScgYRcG by aral@mastodon.ar.al
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@Tutanota Also, this is what Brave is actually about: https://basicattentiontoken.org
(DIR) Post #Anjhwo7shBXGjBPmMa by Baffling7384@hostux.social
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@Tutanota It's a valid option because it is one of the few (or only) open source chromium browsers that has a built in ad/content-blocker, uses proper anti-fingerprinting protections, has extra privacy features, and benefits from the chromium security. I underastand the concerns regarding the crypto crap, but those can be turned off. That being said it is a valid option, especially for newbies.
(DIR) Post #AnjhzFQu8lTRzuTbTk by thibaultmol@en.osm.town
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@Tutanota Here's some changes It'd suggest:- Add @organicmaps to the gmaps alternatives. it's by far the easiest osm based maps app- Add @ente auth for google auth alternatives. it's much more feature rich and it's foss- add @kagihq to the search engines. They're privacy respecting * one small note is that they do utilize google as one of it's search indexes that it uses, so you'd still be giving google some money technically (had to mention it)
(DIR) Post #Anjicp2Hhfu7iBpanw by Baffling7384@hostux.social
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@Tutanota Why are you recommending Authy, a very shitty service, but not Organic Maps and Obtainium for .apk updates?For browsers there is Mulch and Mull from DivestOS, which are forks of Chromium and Firefox respectively or Brave. Either of which would be much better than Fennec, Privacy Browser, or Firefox from a privacy or security perspective.
(DIR) Post #Anjj7w0toJySKV1DxQ by pdh_sedlr@mastodont.cat
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@Tutanota @dgil Falta protonmail obviously grr
(DIR) Post #AnjkqeGElFM2Fx4tOa by nictakiego@mastodon.com.pl
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@Tutanota Add @organicmaps
(DIR) Post #AnjlAmCqviBegr5oO0 by Tutanota@mastodon.social
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@thibaultmol @organicmaps @ente @kagihq Thanks, we'll look into this!
(DIR) Post #AnjlHRqV1oIXZPoo1Q by Tutanota@mastodon.social
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@Erklaerbaer Thanks, we'll look into this!
(DIR) Post #AnjlIdXb219A8DXkpc by g@irrelephant.co
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@Tutanota Personally I’d add it but mention (Chromium based) for transparency
(DIR) Post #AnjlMqkNsBSQFSX9V2 by Tutanota@mastodon.social
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@aral Thanks for sharing!
(DIR) Post #AnjlUXEIK4DK24BlCq by thibaultmol@en.osm.town
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@Tutanota oh and add @protonprivacy drive to the cloud storage
(DIR) Post #AnjnZtme5v2FL3wRCi by invidious_user@kif.rocks
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@TutanotaIf its google alternatives, you shouldn't include Brave or Chromium. Hopefully we can add Ladybird to that list in a few years. 🤞Maybe add Freetube as an alternative Youtube client ?
(DIR) Post #AnjqzQezIUc4PCE0aO by ddnnacheta@mastodon.social
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@Tutanota Because most web developers don't seem to build websites with Firefox users in mind, there are a good number of websites that function poorly in Firefox.So, for the users seeking an alternative that don't want to use Firefox, I'd say include an open source Chromium-based browser. There are none that are convenient, except Brave. Unfortunately, the majority of people care more about convenience than anything else.
(DIR) Post #AnjrygTd6aEV7o7ZB2 by ddnnacheta@mastodon.social
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@Tutanota As far as the rest of this list is concerned. It's needed an update for a while now.Play Store:Aurora Store + ObtainiumGDrive:pCloud + Filen Sync + IcedriveInstant Messenger:Matrix - FluffyChat, Element, Element XMap:Organic MapsAuthenticator:KeepassXC does this tooYouTube:FreeTube + Odysee (toxic though)Web search:Brave search + Startpage
(DIR) Post #AnjsAkBP9U6S5tLZcO by wham@mastodon.social
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@Tutanota What are your thoughts on mullvad browser? Any reason why you left it out?
(DIR) Post #Anjt3lk53Xb4rCnvjU by Tutanota@mastodon.social
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@wham No reason, we'll look into it!
(DIR) Post #AnjtDKslm7tiRsQk6a by Tutanota@mastodon.social
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@invidious_user Thanks, we'll look into this.
(DIR) Post #AnjtFVjYOvjygO9mz2 by adam_wysokinski@fediscience.org
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@Tutanota #Murena /e/OS (degoogled LineageOS) is missing
(DIR) Post #AnjtFWFSUJGGHL5GiG by Tutanota@mastodon.social
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@adam_wysokinski Thanks, we'll look into this!
(DIR) Post #AnjtI6aEMkwjY627Iu by chiwy@kolektiva.social
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@Tutanota In your recommendations image #Fennec appears, and right now it is not a good recommendation, F-Droid recommends uninstalling it.
(DIR) Post #AnjtI6xcxlf4ieynlw by Tutanota@mastodon.social
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@chiwy Thanks, we'll look into this!
(DIR) Post #Ank167saWLS9j8Q0i8 by madscientist16@mastodon.online
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@Tutanota Some recommendations:- Add ente auth from @ente instead of Authy.- Add proton pass from @protonprivacy to the password manager section.- Add mullvad browser from @mullvadnet to the browser section.- Also add @brave too since even if it is based on chromium it is still better than using chrome.
(DIR) Post #Ank8rzYjSRMnV8u0ae by h03k@mastodon.social
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@Tutanota yes because https://privacytests.org/
(DIR) Post #AnkDMURJbqBPmNEOn2 by bartoshevich@mastodon.social
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@Tutanota What’s wrong with Chromium? Browsers based on it use a robust sandbox and enhanced security measures. According to GrapheneOS recommendations, we should "avoid Gecko-based browsers like Firefox as they're currently much more vulnerable to exploitation and inherently add a huge amount of attack surface". https://grapheneos.org/usage#web-browsing
(DIR) Post #AnkJxpoBirEkUe7WQi by carturo222@geekdom.social
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@Tutanota Brave is in bed with crypto nonsense, so it should not be suggested.By the way, Vivaldi should totally be suggested.
(DIR) Post #AnkNQvfnISXYwUl7qa by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
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@Tutanota Your current list includes 5 web browsers where 3 of them completely lack even a content sandbox due to being based on Firefox for Android and the other 2 are based on Chromium. DuckDuckGo and Privacy Browser are WebView-based browsers using the system WebView implementation, which is provided by the OS with a Chromium-based browser engine. On Android operating systems including the Google apps and services, DuckDuckGo and Privacy Browser are directly using Google Chrome itself.
(DIR) Post #AnkORqvcWU6cTFALbs by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
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@Tutanota @adam_wysokinski /e/OS is an extraordinarily insecure operating system massively rolling back security even more than LineageOS already does. It completely destroys the security model and is always at least a year behind on providing full privacy/security patches. CalyxOS is problematic for security, LineageOS is far more problematic but /e/OS is an extreme form of that comparable to you recommending people use Windows 8 because it's not from Google.
(DIR) Post #Anl0YymzUXG38TxGOu by khurozov@jvm.social
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@Tutanota please add Obtainium to install/update/track APKs from GitHub, F-Dorid and other multiple sources
(DIR) Post #AnlawiksM1YOhsaMz2 by Gen4PaperSon@todon.eu
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@Tutanota why authy! It can't even be used on a non google operating system!
(DIR) Post #Anlc0sWs3Xgi8Ja6ee by MarkAssPandi@gejuchowo.pl
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@adam_wysokinski @Tutanota LineageOS is googled? As far as I know it requires GApps to be installed to have google services?
(DIR) Post #Anlc0t1iCsMFfy0jj6 by adam_wysokinski@fediscience.org
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@MarkAssPandi @Tutanota Let's say it's more degoogled than LineageOS (https://e.foundation/e-os/, https://community.e.foundation/t/e-os-vs-lineageos/48243)
(DIR) Post #Anlc0taS7i9BPiGTsO by gael@mastodon.social
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@adam_wysokinski @MarkAssPandi @Tutanota Much more indeed
(DIR) Post #AnmWrVbHd98XnlJmBU by acitta@canada.masto.host
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@TutanotaI have been using Brave for a long time. What's wrong with it?
(DIR) Post #AnoXlvWWp8RCjZuqrA by taivlam@better.boston
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@Tutanota Chromium shows that the browser itself is alright, it's the figurative "last 5%", where Google adds proprietary features to create Chrome, that taints the well.Also, for people who are trying to promote cancel culture towards Brave, there are also great people at Brave, such as @bcrypt.
(DIR) Post #AnoYZuRN7ogVr0KzZI by taivlam@better.boston
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@Tutanota @Tutanota Here are some other recommendations:Browser: LibreWolf, Mullvad Browser (desktop only), Mull browser (Android only)Video Call/Chat: @mollyimDivestOSPlay Store Alternative: @accrescent Maps: @organicmaps TOTP 2FA: @ente AuthYouTube frontend: @FreeTube
(DIR) Post #Anp2nujRpq1JRAO1gG by dragospirvu75@mastodon.social
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@Tutanota @brave has a great ad-blocker and is FOSS. But I think it would be better to consider the following alternatives on this list. For Youtube: @peertube . For Android: @e_mydata (Android-based) and @ubports (not android-based). For Chat: @threemaapp , @simplex , @session . For productivity office: @libreoffice . For app stores: @uptodown , Aptoide. For search: @StartpageSearch . For email: @protonprivacy , @hellomailo .
(DIR) Post #Anpn5QxNsCB0C9CHVA by Azarilh@vivaldi.net
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@Tutanota No cos it's run by a homophobe, it contains shady crypto nonsense that add their own ad service, and it's overall controversial, making it safer for you to not include them.Their ad system makes a lot of money to Brave, but it does not to the users nor to the websites. I'd say it's scummy. Apparently the broswer also automatically added affiliate link to purchases. Affiliate links enable tracking.
(DIR) Post #AnpncSny1TWtU0Xg9o by Azarilh@vivaldi.net
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@Tutanota Google is gonna hate you for advertising NewPipe. 😹Also, why did you not list Qwant as a search engine?
(DIR) Post #AntmqjoAHNoGwwiW24 by rashadgasimli2@mastodon.social
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@Tutanota Authy? Really?
(DIR) Post #Anzq4r5FUWSaNatI0G by micktheseeker@mastodon.social
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@Tutanota I prefer not to include it, has been on the news for bad situations
(DIR) Post #ArHh4qCDs7zeljyHD6 by micktheseeker@mastodon.social
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@Tutanota Hi. I just realised you have a typo on this image - it’s Ecosia - you have an extra s. You need to fix it on the blog too where you mention Google services’ alternatives: it’s on the image again - the name of the search engine . Thank you for the great post 🙏🏼
(DIR) Post #ArIw7IjES9bUJJ0CCO by Tutanota@mastodon.social
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@micktheseeker Thanks, we'll fix it!
(DIR) Post #ArIxEF9aF8DbCiCaeW by micktheseeker@mastodon.social
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@Tutanota no rush, no one noticed so far 😅 and it doesn’t cause an issue