     The  F I D O N E W S      Volume 19, Number 46             18 Nov 2002 
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            Copyright 2002 by Fidonews Editor for Fidonews Globally.


                        Table of Contents
     1. INSIDE  ...................................................  1
        The Fidonews at a Glance  .................................  1
     2. GENERAL ARTICLES  .........................................  2
        FTSC Nominations, second attempt  .........................  2
        2002 Off Centre Rally - The Big U  ........................  3
     3. REBUTTALS TO PREVIOUS ARTICLES  ...........................  5
        Rebuttal to "The Future of Fidonet Standards"  ............  5
     4. FIDONET'S INTERNATIONAL KITCHEN  ..........................  6
        Xxcarol's Japan 'Pulled Turkey'  ..........................  6
     5. CLEAN HUMOUR & JOKES  .....................................  7
        Physics Test  .............................................  7
     6. BEN RITCHEY'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING  ...................  9
        FIDONet Software References  ..............................  9
     7. FIDONET BY INTERNET  ...................................... 14
        Fidonet-related sites  .................................... 14
     8. SPECIAL INTEREST  ......................................... 19
        Nodelist Stats  ........................................... 19
     9. FIDONEWS INFORMATION  ..................................... 21
        How to Submit an Article  ................................. 21
        Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability  .................. 23
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                                  INSIDE
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                     The Fidonews at a Glance

     The FTSC situation is an ongoing event, this week we have an article
     from Gran Eriksson, "FTSC Nominations, second attempt", with some
     novel ideas on how to make the committee work better in the future.

        In our travel report from Oz, we have a more eventful day than the
     last one, from day eight of the "2002 Off Centre Rally - The Big U".

        More on the FTSC in Frank Vest's "Rebuttal to 'The Future of
     Fidonet Standards'" in our special rebuttal column.

        The international kitchen once again finds it's way to Japan where
     Carol prepares "Xxcarol's Japan 'Pulled Turkey'".

        And then finally a joke from Warren's archives, "Physics Test".


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                             GENERAL ARTICLES
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                    FTSC Nominations, second attempt
               by Goran Eriksson, 2:201/505, get@get.pp.se

     Seeing the turns of the current election process for FTSC standing
     members, I would like to repeat the following proposal that I put
     forward for the first time in 1999:

     When working with the preparations for the FTSC elections just
     concluded, it struck me how foreign the nomination process prescribed
     by FTA-1001 is to me.

     In my neck of the woods, the normal thing would be for candidates in
     FTSC elections to nominate themselves and present themselves and their
     merits. The electorate would be trusted to make a sound choice between
     the candidates based on that information and on other information
     available to each member of the electorate.

     Certainly, formal nomination procedures like those prescribed by
     FTA-1001 are sometimes used also around here.

     In other cases, the nomination procedure may formally be open, but you
     don't stand any real chance if you're not recommended by the appointed
     nomination committee.

     In an organization like the FTSC as well as the FidoNet as a whole,
     the norm would however be that anyone may nominate anyone. Even
     her-/himself. Seconded nominations may occur but are not required.


     I therefore suggest that FTA-1001 is changed accordingly.

     You're invited to take part in the discussion about this suggestion in
     the FTSC_PUBLIC echomail conference. That's where the FTSC has to seek
     consensus for changes like these.


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                 2002 Off Centre Rally - The Big U
               Submitted by David Drummond, 3:640/305

     Day 8 - Sunday 11th August (Urandangie to Mt Isa)

     Well.  What an eventful day.  Waited for the sun to rise a fair way
     and for a breeze to come up, as the first few away were looking right
     into the sun, and the dust was just hanging in the air - not ideal
     dirt riding conditions.

     After a leisurely breakfast, pack and chat, Phil Gresham discovered he
     had a bit of a problem.  While he was showing off his fabulous Ohlins
     rear shock, we got a shock himself to see no bolt holding the rear
     mount.  There was part of the bolt on the other side, so it seems to
     have sheared off.  After a good scrounge around, he managed to get
     hold of a bolt that would do the job.  It wasn't quite thick enough
     and was too long.  A visit to the bush mechanic at Urandangie got some
     metal to make a shim out of, to take up some of the slack, and a
     hacksaw to shorten the bolt.

     Rick, David and I decided to head off to Mt Isa, not long after
     Manfred and Reggie. We had decided to stop at the 50km mark to
     regroup.  I was in the lead and had caught up to one 4WD and trailer
     on a fairly good stretch.  He let me past.  I caught up to another one
     in amongst the bulldust holes, and as it was around the 50km mark, I
     pulled over to wait for the others.  David came along shortly after.
     We waited and waited for Rick.  After half an hour, we thought
     something must have happened, as he surely couldn't be riding that
     slowly, so we turned back.

     Another bike came along almost immediately, and I was ready to give
     Rick a piece of my mind for making me do U-turns, when I realised it
     wasn't Rick after all.  The fellow said Rick had come off a long way
     back and had a broken collar bone and ribs. Oh.

     We kept going back to Urandangie, meeting several bikes along the way.
     RTO stopped us and confirmed the reports.  He said there were plenty
     of people there, so he would keep going.

     When we got back to Urandangie, Rick was on a mattress in the back of
     the publican's F250 4WD truck in a lot of pain.  Steve Otter had
     ridden Rick's bike back, but it was in a bit of a bad way.  Senga was
     looking after Rock, along with another nurse who was also called Rick.
     He was one of the other motorcyclists (I think from Melbourne) still
     there.  The RFDS had been called and would be out in a few hours time.
     Al Geritz was also there, helping out.

     The publican said he would take Rick's gear into Mt Isa tomorrow when
     he usually goes in, and would also take Rick's bike into Mt Isa, some
     time later. As it was now lunchtime, we had a toasted sandwich and a
     Coke at the pub, said farewell to Rick and set off again.

     From time to time, when the dust wasn't too bad, I checked to see if I
     could see David coming.  Got to about the 50km mark again, and thought
     I should stop, as I couldn't see past my dust cloud.  When it had
     settled, there was no sign of David.  I waited about a minute, then
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     found a fairly hard spot to turn around.  Then back through the
     bulldust holes again.  I came across him 7km back just near a cattle
     grid.  to my immense relief, he wasn't lying in a crumpled heap on the
     side of the road, as I had imagined.  He hadn't come off at all, but
     after thinking for quite a while that the road seemed to be much worse
     than he had remembered, he finally came to the conclusion that he had
     a flat front tyre.

     Unfortunately, even though we had a spare front tube, we don't have
     the skills or tools for changing it.  David got the wheel off, I set
     up our fly for some shade and we both settled down on our camping
     stools to wait for someone to come along.

     After a couple of hours, a 4WD eventually emerged from the heat haze,
     heading towards Urandangie.  We flagged them down and begged a lift
     for me, the wheel, spare tube and my helmet and jacket.  The idea was
     that someone at Urandangie could change the tube for us, then I could
     get a lift back to David, the next morning if necessary. He had some
     food and water to tide him over.

     However, we had only gone about 5kms when we met Al Geritz, then Steve
     and Senga, who had tyre levers and expertise.  My lift then took me
     back to David.  I expressed my gratitude for their assistance, and Al
     and Steve started on the tyre. Steve I think was rather pleased to be
     using his brand new Metzler tyre levers.  They were pretty schmick,
     but unfortunately the narrow tip snapped off when they were trying to
     break the bead.  Despite that setback, they managed to change the tube
     and re-inflate the tyre using BMW compressed air canisters.  We were
     very impressed with them.  Note:  Replace air canisters - 3 for us and
     1 for Al.  We should only have used 2, but the bead didn't pop the
     first time.  Note:  Remember to lubricate inside wheel rim with
     washing up liquid before inflating tyre.

     The conclusion was that it was caused by hitting a rock which had
     compressed the tyre in, and pinched the tube into the rim.  There was
     3cm rip in the carcass and two matching tears in the tube.  David said
     the bike handled much better after that! So at last we managed to
     complete the last part of that road.  It wasn't as bad going out as it
     was coming in.  I was going faster (mostly 100kph), which helped.  We
     stopped at the seal while Al took a photo of us by the sign.  It was
     exactly 5 o'clock and my bike had just clocked 40,005 km since May
     2000.

     We all rode up the sealed road to Mt Isa, found a caravan park,
     showered, then went to the town Leagues Club for an "All You Can Eat"
     buffet meal.  We all went a little crazy and ate way too much, which
     meant we had to waddle back to the caravan park to end a most eventful
     day.


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                      REBUTTALS TO PREVIOUS ARTICLES
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                 Rebuttal to "The Future of Fidonet Standards"
                                 By Frank Vest
                                  1:124/6308.1

     Last week, Michael Grant put forth an idea for a new Fidonet Standards
     Committee. Here's some thoughts on this:

     MG> membership, the IFS can then deem it a Fidonet Technical Standard.

     So, Fidonet replaces the FTSC with the IFS and things go on...

      The last thing Fidonet needs is another "committee" to deal with. We
     have widely used software, protocols and such. What we need is the
     FTSC to document these.

      Another thing that is overlooked in this article is "backward
     compatibility". The Internet doesn't worry much about being "backward
     compatible". Their motto seems to be "Run the latest and greatest".
     This is noted when one "surfs" to a web page that locks your system
     because of some "new standard" that hasn't become a "standard" yet....
     but one software implements it and to heck with the rest if they have
     problems with it. This is also noted in the ever increasing of program
     size. If Fidonet follows the Internet /AND/ tries to remain backwards
     compatible to any degree, the "latest and greatest" Fidonet mailer
     will soon be 50 megs, if there is a "latest and greatest". It has been
     pointed out that creating software requires a motive. To create new
     software that is up to new standards while keeping old standards
     intact will require larger and larger programs. To get a software
     developer to do this for free is not going to be easy.

      By putting a "new" committee in place, Fidonet also has the problem
     of getting this "new IFS" recognized. As has been demonstrated may
     time in Fidonet, that will not be easy, if it is do'able at all.

     No, people. Fidonet needs to get what it already has in place to
     function first. A new committee, or anything else, will come
     afterwards.


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                      FIDONET'S INTERNATIONAL KITCHEN
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                   Xxcarol's Japan 'Pulled Turkey'

           Yield: 3 Servings

           3 ea Turkey legs (3/4 lb each)
         1/2 c  Hot barbacue sauce
         1/4 c  Mirin (sweet rice wine)
           3 tb Oyster sauce
           1 tb Dried onion flakes
         1/2 tb Mequite Seasoning Salt mix

       OHH My Cho (Japanese apartment) smells good today!  What's cooking
     is an adaption of several recipes from my meal-master database,
     uniquely shifted like I always do, to something 'new'.  As I live in
     Sasebo Japan, this one shifted to things I can easily get locally so
     have on hand just now.

       This one will be a winner for a crockpot if yours will fit the legs
     in. Mine is too small and I couldnt get the bone to break (I have a
     bad wrist just now) so have it on the stove.

       Wash the turkey legs off, then in a pot that will fit them, add the
     rest above and the turkey legs.  Set on low (crockpot or stove) and
     let cook until almost done.  For a crockpot, this will be 5 hours.
     Stove will be 2 hours.  When the meat falls off the bones as you turn
     it, start removing the bones then shred the rest.

       This will come out very close to a southern favorite called 'pulled
     BBQ Pork' but is of a lowfat turkey meat that also costs less!

       Serve on rolls or cornbread with gravey and coleslaw at the side.

       From the Japan kitchen of:  xxcarol


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                           CLEAN HUMOUR & JOKES
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                               Physics Test
                              By Warren Bonner
                            wdbonner@pacbell.net

     Some kids just have more on the ball than others!

     The following is an actual question given on a University of
     Washington Physics mid term exam.  One answer was so "profound" that
     the Professor shared it with his colleagues, which is why we now have
     the pleasure of enjoying it as well.

     Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic
     (absorbs heat)? Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs
     using Boyle's Law, (gas cools off when it expands and heats up when it
     is compressed) or some variant.

     One student, however, wrote the following: "First, we need to know how
     the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate that
     souls are moving into Hell and the rate they are leaving.   I think
     that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not
     leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving.

     As for how many souls are entering Hell, let's look at the different
     religions that exist in the world today.  Some of these religions
     state that if you are not member of their religion, you will go to
     Hell.  Since there are more than one of these religions and since
     people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that
     all souls go to Hell.

     With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of
     souls in Hell to increase exponentially.  Now, we look at  the rate of
     change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order
     for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume
     of Hell has to expand as souls are added.

     This gives two possibilities:

      1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls
     enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase
     until all Hell breaks loose.

     2. Of course, if Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase
     of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until
     Hell freezes over.

     So which is it? If we accept the postulate given to me by Theresa
     Banyan during my Freshman year, that ' it will be a cold day in Hell
     before I sleep with you', and take into account the fact that I still
     have not succeeded with her, then, #2 cannot be true and thus I am
     sure that Hell is exothermic and will not freeze."

     This student received the only A.
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                  BEN RITCHEY'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING
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         Type: M=Mailer  T=Tosser  B=BBS  D=Door  C=Comm/Terminal
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                           |     | v3.10i Beta on Apr 30th 2002

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       Charles Cruden      |     | telnet://xanadubbs.ca        1:342/806
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               Fidonet Via Internet Hubs provided by FidoTel.com



     Node#      | Operator          | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
                |                   |                |latency|
     -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
     Zone 1     |                   |                |       |
       10/3     | Brenda Donovan    | FTP,UUE,BinkP  | 384K,30| n/c
       10/345   | Todd Cochrane     | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,!  | n/c
       18/500   | Ross Cassell      | FTP, BinkP     |128K+,!| n/c
      103/5     | Mark Luetger      | BinkP          | CABLE | n/c
      103/301   | Joe Jared         | BinkP,FTP,NFS  | 384k,!| n/c
      103/401   | Warren Bonner     | BinkP          | aDSL,!| n/c
      105/8     | Russ Johnson      | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k  | n/c
      105/72    | Larry James       | FTP, BinkP     | aDSL  | $50/yr
      106/1     | Steve Loupe       | BinkP, FTP     | 768k  | FREE
      106/2000  | Bob Juge        | BinkP VMoT FTP TX| ???   | n/c
      106/6018  | Lawrence Garvin   | FTP, VMoT      | aDSL,60| n/c
      107/453   | Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
      134/11    | Michael Grant  | FTP, BinkP, VMoT UUE, IFCICO,TransX
     FIDONEWS 19-46               Page 16                  18 Nov 2002


                                                    aDSL, 60 | n/c
      138/146   | Marc Blakely      | BinkP,FTP      | ???   | n/c
      140/1     | Bob Seaborn       | FTP,BinkP      | T3,30 | $5/$16
      142/906   | Chris Griffin     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      150/220   | Dave Nemeth       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      153/7715  | Dallas Hinton     | BinkD, FTP     | CABLE | ???
      167/133   | Stephen Monteith  | BinkP          | 128k+ | n/c
      167/166   | Jesse Dooling     | POP? UUE TX FTP| ???   | n/c
      218/109   | Matt Munson       | BinkP,UUE,TX   | 33.6k | n/c
      220/10    | groberts|nexusbbs.net |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c
      229/1     | Phil Simpson      | BinkP UUE FTP  | ???   | n/c
      229/2000  | Robert Couture    |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ???   |
      229/622   | Dave Hamilton     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      250/98    | Darin McBride     | BinkP FTP TX   | ???   | n/c
      250/99    | Brent McLaren     | FTP BinkP      | ???   | n/c
      250/102   | Darin McBride     | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
      267/169   | Philip Lozier     | FTP TX         | ???   | n/c
      261/1380  | Joe Davis         | UUE TX         | ???   | n/c
      275/311   | Shannon Talley|FTP,BinkP,FTP,VMoT,QWK| T1  |n/c
      280/169   | Brian Greenstreet | FTP            | 33.6  | $2mo.
      297/11    | Michael McCabe    | TX             | ???   | n/c
      323/120   | Craig Healy       | VMoT FTP       | ???   | n/c
      342/3     | Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP      | 128K+ | n/c
      393/48    | Ben Ritchey       | UUE:BFDS?      | 33.6k | n/c
      379/1     | Dale Ross         | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
      379/1200  | Chris Cranford    | BinkP FTP TX   | ???   | n/c
      396/45    | Marc Lewis        |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ADSL  | n/c
     2215/300   | Dennis Haddox     | UUE,TX         | CABLE | n/c
     2320/38    | Janis Kracht      | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
     2410/400   | Gary Gilmore      | FTP BinkP      | 384K,60| n/c
     2410/213   | Kevin Bentz       | FTP, BinkP, UUE| Cable | n/c
     2604/104   | Jim Mclaughlin    | FTP,VMoT,UUE   | 33.6  | $1mo
     2624/306   | David Calafrancesco  | VMoT        | 33.6  | n/c
     3613/1275  | @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE,FTP    | 28.8  | n/c
     3407/4     | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3632/84    | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3634/12    | Mark Lewis         |FTP,VMoT,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3830/5     | Jeff Schrunk      |BinkP FTP TX UUE| ???   | n/c
     3830/9     | Steve Quarrella   |BinkP FTP IFCICO VMoT UUE|?|?
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 2     |
       20/11    | Henrik Lindhe     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       22/222   | Kim Heino         | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       28/1     | Lody Caenen       | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
       31/1     | Gabriel Plutzar   | BinkP          | T1+   | n/c
       37/37    | Gabor Z. Papp     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       47/999   | Andrej Kirejev    | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
       53/558   |Vladimir Hrusca|POP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP,ifcico|2mbs|??
      201/329   | Mats Wallin       | VMoT TX        | ???   | n/c
      201/505   | Gran Eriksson    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      203/600   | Mikael Karlsson   |BinkP,FTP,TX,UUE| 512k  | n/c
      211/37    | Torbjorn Mohn     | BinkP          | 8/2mb | n/c
      221/360   | Tommi Koivula     | BinkP,UUE      | ???   | n/c
      236/205   | Michael Kaaber    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      240/6298  | Steve Tell        | BinkP UUE      | ???   | n/c
      246/2098  | Volker Imre       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     FIDONEWS 19-46               Page 17                  18 Nov 2002


      252/110   | David Rance       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      255/90    | Simon Avery       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      263/950   | Sean Rima         | TX UUE         | ???   | n/c
      280/1027  | Lukas de Groen    | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
      280/1601  | Jeroen VanDeLeur  | FTP,UUE        | 64k   | n/c
      280/4312  | Jos Huijnen   | BinkP ifcico UUE TX| ???   | n/c
      280/5003  | Kees van Eeten    | BinkP ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      292/624   | Steven Leeman     | UUE, BinkP     | 128k  | n/c
      292/854   | Ward Dossche      | BinkP UUE TX   | ???   | n/c
      292/2003  | Eric Vaneberck    | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      301/1     | Peter Witschi     | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      332/807   | Roberto Mascolo   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      333/0     | M Gianformaggio   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      335/534   | Mario Mure        | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k   | n/c
      335/610   | Gino Lucrezi      | UUE            | 33.6  | n/c
      341/14    | Rafael Suarez     | BinkP VMoT     | ???   | n/c
      341/51    | Jose.Maria Tejada | VMoT           |       |
      341/66    | Angel Ripoll      | VMoT           |       |
      343/168   | Jose Casanova     | VMoT           |       |
      344/201   | Julio Garcia      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      346/3     | Carlos Navarro    | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      347/1     | Javi Polo         | UUE            |       |
      348/105   | Alejandro Estraviz| BinkP UUE      |       |
      382/100   | Sinisa Burina     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/555   | Ofir Michaeli     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/557   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      423/81    | Milos Bajer       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      461/256   | Andrew Rutkas     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      461/640   | Alex Semenyaka    |BinkP ifcico UUE| ???   | n/c
      465/204   | Va Milushnikov    | BinkP          | 33.6k | n/c
      469/84    | Max Masyutin      | VMoT           | 256k  | n/c
      469/128   | Oleg Vasenyoff    | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      480/112   | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k  | n/c
      550/4077  | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE            | ----- | n/c
     2410/201   | Karsten Ebeling   | BinkP UUE      | ???   | n/c
     2411/413   | Dennis Dittrich   | UUE,BinkP      | 64k   | n/c
     2432/200   | Sven Dueker       | BinkP TX UUE   | ???   | n/c
     2446/301   | Lothar Behet  | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K   | n/c
     2474/275   | Christian Emig    | UUE            | 64k   | unkn
     2487/3000  | Steffen Gross     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5002/5002  | Victor Belyakov   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5014/4     | Alex Bagmanov     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5020/52    | Peter Didenko     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/54    | Serge Wizgounoff  | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5020/69    | B Chernivetsky    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/238   | Sergey Gubanov    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5030/115   | Andrey Podkolzin  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5030/1251  | K Stepanekov      | UUE            | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/1159  | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE          | 33.6  | n/c
     5049/12    | Amir Shabashvili  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5054/3     | Andrew Popov      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5080/80    | Eugene Zorin      | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5083/21    | Alexander Uskov   | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5090/2     | Andrew Titov      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     FIDONEWS 19-46               Page 18                  18 Nov 2002


     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 3
      633/260   | Malcolm Miles     | FTP,BinkP      | 64K   | n/c
      640/954   | Rick Van Ruth     | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
      712/311   | Bob James         | TX             | ???   | n/c
      774/605   | Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 4
      801/161   | Renato Zambon     | UUE            | 33.6  |n/c
      902/18    | Javier Tejedor    | UUE            | 33,6  | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 6
       65/3000  | Lawrence Fan      | UUE            | 33600 | free
      653/1009  | Maorong Chen      | UUE            | ???   | free
      654/0     | Bin Li            | UUE,BinkP      | 33600 | free
      654/1501  | Lawrence Fan      | UUE,BinkP      | 28800 | free

     --
     * FTP    = Internet File Transfer Protocol
     * VMoT   = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
     * UUE    = uuencode<->email type transfers
     * BinkP  = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
     * TX     = TransX
     * NFS    = Linux Networking
     * ifcico = ifcico-compatible virtual mailer
     * QWK    = Quick Packets/Offline mailer "networking" capable
     ----------------------------------------------
     Fidonet oriented news servers

     news.fidotel.com (currently offline)
     news.osirusoft.com
     news.tardis.net
     nntp://fido.bitsoft.ro
     nntp://bbs.bitsoft.ro

     Fidonet oriented chat rooms.

     room #fidonet  5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays
     irc.osirusoft.com  (Peers wanted)
     irc.sinoptix.ro : malay, chinesse, english, #fido, #fidonet, #wwb
     irc.bitsoft.ro : 6667 russian, english, hebrew, #fido, #wwb
     irc.tsua.net : 6668 russian, english #fido

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     FIDONEWS 19-46               Page 19                  18 Nov 2002


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                             SPECIAL INTEREST
     =================================================================

                         Nodelist Stats

      Input nodelist  nodelist.319
                size  1041.3kb
                date  2002-11-15

      The nodelist has   9315 nodes in it
        and a total of  12055 non-comment entries

              including     6 zones
                           59 regions
                          451 hosts
                          639 hubs
         admin overhead  1155 ( 12.40 %)

                    and   938 private nodes
                          295 nodes down
                          352 nodes on hold
      off line overhead  1585 ( 17.02 %)


      Speed summary:

               >9600 =    717 (  7.70 %)
                9600 =   8099 ( 86.95 %)
                              (HST  =  177 or   2.19 %)
                              (CSP  =    1 or   0.01 %)
                              (PEP  =   12 or   0.15 %)
                              (MAX  =    0 or   0.00 %)
                              (HAY  =    1 or   0.01 %)
                              (V32  = 4405 or  54.39 %)
                              (V32B =  455 or   5.62 %)
                              (V34  = 5352 or  66.08 %)
                              (V42  = 4415 or  54.51 %)
                              (V42B =  479 or   5.91 %)
                2400 =     94 (  1.01 %)
                1200 =      8 (  0.09 %)
                 300 =    397 (  4.26 %)

                ISDN =    920 (  9.88 %)

     ----------------------------------------------------------
      File Req Flag   Applicable software     Number of systems
     ----------------------------------------------------------
      XA              Frontdoor <1.99b             3269
                      Frontdoor  2.02+
                      Dutchie 2.90c
                      Binkleyterm >2.1
                      D'Bridge <1.3
                      TIMS
                      Xenia
     --------------------------------------
     FIDONEWS 19-46               Page 20                  18 Nov 2002


      XB              Binkleyterm 2.0                 7
                      Dutchie 2.90b
     --------------------------------------
      XC              Opus 1.1                       10
     --------------------------------------
      XP              Seadog                          6
     --------------------------------------
      XR              Opus 1.03                      50
     --------------------------------------
      XW              Fido >12M                     379
                      Tabby
                      KittenMail
     --------------------------------------
      XX              D'Bridge 1.30                4148
                      Frontdoor 1.99b
                      Intermail 2.01
                      T-Mail
     --------------------------------------
      None            QMM                          1446
     --------------------------------------

      CrashMail capable =   2942 ( 31.58 %)
      MailOnly nodes    =   5062 ( 54.34 %)
      Listed-only nodes =    727 (  7.80 %)
      Other             =    584 (  6.27 %)

      [Report produced by NETSTATS - A PD pgm available from 1:106/100]
      [                                 Revised by B Felten, 2:203/208]

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