     The  F I D O N E W S      Volume 19, Number 32             12 Aug 2002 
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            Copyright 2002 by Fidonews Editor for Fidonews Globally.


                        Table of Contents
     1. FOOD FOR THOUGHT  .........................................  1
     2. INSIDE  ...................................................  2
        The Fidonews at a Glance  .................................  2
     3. GENERAL ARTICLES  .........................................  3
        Are There Still Programmers in Fidonet??  .................  3
        Fidonet 1985..2002  .......................................  6
     4. FIDONET NOTICES  ..........................................  8
        Zone 3 Region merger  .....................................  8
     5. FIDONET'S INTERNATIONAL KITCHEN  ..........................  9
        Shrimply Fiesta Feta  .....................................  9
     6. CLEAN HUMOUR & JOKES  ..................................... 10
        Snail Mail  ............................................... 10
     7. TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING  ................. 11
        Fidonet Software List  .................................... 11
     8. FIDONET BY INTERNET  ...................................... 15
        Fidonet-related Sites  .................................... 15
     9. SPECIAL INTEREST  ......................................... 20
        Nodelist Stats  ........................................... 20
     10. FIDONEWS INFORMATION  .................................... 22
        How to Submit an Article  ................................. 22
        Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability  .................. 24
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                             FOOD FOR THOUGHT
     =================================================================

      There is something inherently wrong with a society that creates laws
     to protect the people, then hires lawyers to determine the best way to
     bypass those laws.

                           - Frank Vest -

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     =================================================================
                                  INSIDE
     =================================================================

                     The Fidonews at a Glance

     Still it's rather calm at the editor's office. I hope it's just
     because it's still summer, and that the issues will be a little
     thicker later on. Frank Vest sent in an article, that he thought would
     give him lot's of flames and arguments, it's called "Are There Still
     Programmers in Fidonet??" Let's hope he will get his fair share of
     what he expects. :)

        Then we have a beautiful (well, maybe not if you think of the story
     it tells, but from a graph point of view) picture of the developement
     of fidonet over the years, "Fidonet 1985..2002". It's been compiled by
     Renato Zambon from Brazil; it's sure nice to see some submissions from
     other parts of the world than the usual.

        From another part of the world, zone 3, we have a small notice
     about a "Zone 3 Region merger".

        Carol makes "Shrimply Fiesta Feta". Those of you, that haven't
     tried feta cheese yet, are highly encouraged to do so. It's great in
     almost any salad, just remember not to take to much of it since it has
     a rather sharp flavour that can easily overtake the rest of the salad.

        Finally a joke from Warren Bonner. For some strange reason he's
     called it "Snail Mail". I must admit I cannot figure out why. The more
     appropriate The Fart could of course seem a little unclean so to
     speak, maybe that's why...


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     =================================================================
                             GENERAL ARTICLES
     =================================================================

                    Are There Still Programmers in Fidonet??
                                 By Frank Vest
                                  1:124/6308.1

      The actual question should be: "Are there still any programmers in
     Fidonet that are willing to work for the hobby instead of the money
     and are good enough to do what I'm about to propose?"

      For the following, I'm thinking about Windows 9x as the OS.

      The Fidonet BBS, in the days of dial-up, had a "front end mailer"
     that answered the phone and either gathered the mail or loaded a BBS
     program dependant on if the call was another mailer or a human user.

      As time moved on and the Internet came to the front, Fidonet slowly
     moved to that front. The move, in my humble opinion, wasn't well
     done.. and is still not done. There is something missing here.

      Fidonet has divided itself into "legacy" and IP divisions. The binkp
     protocol was developed as well as FTP and other mail transfers via the
     Internet. A Fidonet Node could dial into his/her ISP and transfer mail
     via the Internet. Note that I said "dial into his/her ISP". A user can
     still dial into an ISP.

      So, what is missing in Fidonet?? The answer is; A mailer than
     incorporates dial-up with IP.

      The Fidonet mailer I'm proposing would have the ability to accept
     binkp, telnet, FTP and other methods of IP mail. It would also have
     the ability to accept dial-up mail calls like the "legacy" mailers do.

     PLUS!

      This new Fidonet mailer will be able to accept dial-up human callers
     and TELNET out to an IP address. Why, you ask?? Let me drag an example
     in here;

      A simple two node Fidonet BBS. One line is dial-up and the other
     telnet. Now... For the telnet side, the computer has to run a telnet
     BBS program and a IP mailer of some kind. For the dial-up side, the
     computer has to run a dial-up mailer that will load a dial-up BBS
     program. What do we have here??

     A telnet BBS program
     An IP mailer program
     A dial-up mailer program

     Three programs on one computer at the minimum. Most likely, the
     dial-up mailer will be a Dos (legacy) program. Of course, you can
     argue that there are IP/dial-up mailers like Argus. Nothing against
     Argus, but let us look at this;

     FIDONEWS 19-32               Page 4                   12 Aug 2002


     A telnet BBS program.
     An IP/Dial-up mailer.

      Looks good, doesn't it?? But wait, the IP/Dial-up mailer has to load
     a BBS program when a human caller connects via dial-up. In Windows,
     this would mean starting the BBS program in a separate window. We're
     right back to three programs minimum.

      How about making a dial-up BBS into a telnet BBS using some kind of
     "modem emulation"? Ok... Let us see;

     A dial-up mailer
     A "modem emulator"
     A dial-up BBS program that inits the "modem emulator"
     An IP mailer

      Oops... we went from three programs to four. I hope you can see what
     I'm talking about. Adding more nodes only adds to the problem and
     load.

      What I envision is two programs. A mailer that will accept dial-up
     human connections and then telnet out to a telnet BBS program. A
     telnet BBS program that sits and waits for a connection via telnet...
     either from the Internet or the mailer. This eliminates the (probably
     Dos) dial-up BBS and the need for a separate IP mailer. We have the
     telnet BBS programs. Where is the mailer?

      This would have an added advantage if the Sysop running this mailer
     had a LAN (Local Are Network) in his/her house. The telnet BBS could
     be on one computer while the mailer is on another computer. One
     program running on each computer instead of two programs running on
     one computer.

      Now, the questions, and challenges, if you will, are....

     Are there any programmers in Fidonet that can or will write such a
     mailer??

     Would you do it for free... or at least at a "hobby' cost??

     Can this be done??

      BTW, Before I get a lot of people telling me how dial-up is dead and
     all that, let me say this;

      ISPs still offer dial-up connections to the Internet.

      As a further thought. I think Fidonet, at least in Zone 1, is moving
     away from dial-up because it's just to much of a hassle to set up a
     dial-up mailer/BBS, a telnet BBS and a IP mailer program just to offer
     both worlds.

      As a "logic" to this, if ISPs still offer dial-up access, then the
     argument that modems are gone, obsolete and such, isn't correct.

      Oh yeah, while you're at it, tell my 15 dial-up users that dial-up is
     FIDONEWS 19-32               Page 5                   12 Aug 2002


     dead and see what you get. :-))


     With hope,

      Frank


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                          Fidonet 1985..2002
                 by Renato Zambon, 4:801/161, 4:4/0
                 rczambon@sili.com.br, ICQ 84996821

     Hi All, after collecting old nodelists (glad to the others anonymous
     or not who keeped, collected and let available these files), with a
     sample of one exemplar per year since 1984, this table and graph were
     posted in a message in FN_SYSOP as curiosity. Some people liked, :-)
     so here is a copy for Fidonews:

                        Nodelist evolution: 1985..2002

                      year  day       yd    bytes  nodes
                      1985  004  1985.01    12289    148
                      1986  276  1986.76    93042   1209
                      1987  289  1987.79   186317   2465
                      1988  253  1988.69   319929   4206
                      1989  216  1989.59   464876   6169
                      1990  229  1990.63   690316   8981
                      1991  179  1991.49   967547  12288
                      1992  248  1992.68  1511652  18762
                      1993  274  1993.75  2138908  25998
                      1994  364  1995.00  3006481  35886
                      1995  363  1995.99  3281346  38702
                      1996  362  1996.99  2874365  33699
                      1997  360  1997.99  2329426  27207
                      1998  177  1998.48  2062491  24051
                      1999  176  1999.48  1696914  19663
                      2001  152  2001.42  1280458  14712
                      2002  158  2002.43  1099717  12770


     40k _
         |                                  ,-,
         |                                 /   \
         |                                '     `,
         |                               '        \
     30k +                              /          \
         |                             /            \
         |                            /              \
         |                           /                `,
         |                          /                   \
         |                         /                     `-,
         |                       ,'                         `,
     15k +                      /                             `-,_
         |                     /                                  `-
         |                   ,'
         |                ,-'
         |             ,-'
         |         _,-'
         |  __.,,-'
       0 +------+------+-----+------+------+-----+------+------+-----+
        1985                1991                1997                2003


     Nice graph? As many of you know, things didn't evolve the same way in
     FIDONEWS 19-32               Page 7                   12 Aug 2002


     all zones and regions. In the average apex of 1996 for example Z1 was
     already in decline while Z2 segment in nodelist was still growing.

     Also nodes quantitity doesn't have direct relation with real network
     activity, integration, reliability or other aspects we can imagine.
     Analyse better the data or just think about it is left as exercise to
     the reader and, who knows, a future article.

     []s


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     FIDONEWS 19-32               Page 8                   12 Aug 2002


     =================================================================
                              FIDONET NOTICES
     =================================================================

                               Zone 3 Region merger
                             Malcolm Miles 3:633/260

     With the release of Zone 3 Nodelist 221, Region 50 has been merged
     into Region 55. Zone 3 regions are now as follows:

          Region 54: Queensland, New South Wales, ACT (3 nets)
          Region 55: Western Australia, South Australia, NT, Victoria,
                     Tasmania  (4 nets)
          Region 57: New Zealand (4 nets)

     Malcolm Miles
     Z3C


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     =================================================================
                      FIDONET'S INTERNATIONAL KITCHEN
     =================================================================

                     Shrimply Fiesta Feta

           Yield: 6 Servings

           1 bn Watercress
           2 c  Orange slices
          36 ea Shrimp, deveined shelled cook
       1 1/2 c  Thin sliced red onion
           3 ea Hard boiled eggs, quartered
         3/4 c  Crumbled feta cheese
           1 tb Dijon mustard
         1/4 c  Fresh coriander leaves
           3 tb Lemon juice
           2 tb Red wine vinigar
           6 tb Olive oil

       Put the watercress about the plate, then arrange alternating orange
     slices and shrimp.  Put the onions over the plate and then the cooked
     eggs. Sprinkle with feta and coriander leaves.  Mix the rest in a
     shaker and pour over salad before serving.  A dash of tabasco on top
     makes it perfect!

       This is a spicy dish and best served for lunch, with a mild soup
     starter such as corn/squash chowder and some old fashioned cold or hot
     tea.

       From the kitchen of:  xxcarol


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     FIDONEWS 19-32               Page 10                  12 Aug 2002


     =================================================================
                           CLEAN HUMOUR & JOKES
     =================================================================

                         Snail Mail
                       By Warren Bonner
                    wdbonner@pacbell.net

     President Bush alighted from Air Force One and strolled down a 300
     hundred foot, plush red carpet where, at the end, he was greeted with
     a warm hand shake by the queen of England.

     The two entered an elegant coach drawn by a team of eight matched
     horses. As the president and the queen waved to huge crowd the horse
     nearest the coach let out one gigantic windy!

     Suddenly the president, the queen, the entourage and the entire crowd
     became silent. After several minutes of this silence, the queen,
     deciding that somebody had to say something turned to the president
     and said, "Please accept my regrets, Mr. president. It seems that
     there are some things that even the queen has no control."

     "Think nothing of it, Madam, Bush said, If you hadn't said anything I
     would have sworn it was one the horses."

     <Grin>


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     =================================================================
                 TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING
     =================================================================


                             Fidonet Software List
                                By Todd Cochrane
     Type:

     B=BBS  D=Door  M=Mailer  T=Tosser   C=Communication (terminal)
     U=Utility  P=Point Software  I=Internet (telnet, BinkP...)

     <+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=+=-=-+-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+>
     (   Software Name     ) |Type| (         Author/Contact              )
     <+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=|=-=-|-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+>
     |BBBS Home Page         |B   | b@bbbs.net                            |
     |                       |    | www.bbbs.net/                         |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |ELEBBS The Elevator    |B   | elebbs@elebbs.com                     |
     |Software Production    |    | www.elebbs.com                        |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Hermes II Project      |B   | info@HermesII.org                     |
     |                       |    | http://www.hermesii.org/              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Maximus BBS Support    |B   | sales@lainus.com                      |
     |Page (Non Official)    |    | http://www.vector11.com/maximus/      |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |MBSE BBS               |B   | Michiel Broek                         |
     |                       |    | mbroek@users.sourceforge.net          |
     |                       |    | http://mbse.sourceforge.net           |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Mystic BBS             |B   | http://www.mysticbbs.com/mystic/      |
     |                       |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Nexus Bulletin         |B   | groberts@nexusbbs.net                 |
     |Board System           |    | http://www.nexusbbs.net/              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Proboard, Searchlight, |BC  | info@telegrafix.com                   |
     |Telegrafix             |    | http://www.telegrafix.com             |
     |Communications         |    | 540-678-4050                          |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |RemoteAccess           |B   | Bruce Morse                           |
     |Central                |    | bfmorse@rapro.com                     |
     |                       |    | http://www.rapro.com/                 |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Spitfire BBS           |B   | MDWoltz@AOL.COM                       |
     |Buffalo Creek Software |    |http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Synchronet BBS         |BT  | sysop@vert.synchro.net                |
     |                       |    | http://www.synchro.net                |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Telegard BBS           |B   | support@telegard.net                  |
     |                       |    | http://www.telegard.net/              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Wildcat Interactive    |BTMI| sales@santronics.com                  |
     |Net Server             |    | http://www.santronics.com             |
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     |Plantinum Express      |    |(305)248-3204                          |
     |                       |    | Santronics Inc.                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Bentstone Capabilities |D   | info@stonebenders.com                 |
     |Group                  |    | http://www.srupc.com/mall             |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Jibben Software        |D   | scott@jibben.com                      |
     |                       |    | http://www.jibbensoftware.com/        |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |JNS Software Door Games|D   | Rusty Johnson                         |
     |                       |    | rustyjohnson57@hotmail.com            |
     |                       |    | 304-733-0113                          |
     |                       |    | http://www.geocities.com/jnssoftware/ |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Legend Of The Red      |D   |                                       |
     |Dragon Reborn          |    |                                       |
     |(L.O.R.D.)             |    | http://www.lordlegacy.org/            |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |PC Pursuits            |D   |brucep@pop.kis.net                     |
     |                       |    |(301)240-6653                          |
     |                       |    |http://www.pcpursuits.com/products.htm |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |S and T Software       |D   |Mark Bappe                             |
     |                       |    |mark.bappe@bozax.iainc.net             |
     |                       |    |(770)788-6843                          |
     |                       |    |http://bozax.iainc.net/public/         |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Shinning Star BBS Doors|D   |nannette@shiningstar.net               |
     |                       |    |http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Sunrise Door Software  |D   |Al Lawerence                           |
     |                       |    |al@sunrisedoors.com                    |
     |                       |    |(404)256-9518                          |
     |                       |    |http://www.sunrisedoors.com/           |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |The Brainex System     |D   |info@brainex.com                       |
     |                       |    |http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/ |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Trade Wars Door Game   |D   |jpritch@eisonline.com                  |
     |                       |    |http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/    |
     |                       |    |1:299/110                              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Vagabond Software      |D   |Bryan Turner                           |
     |                       |    |vagabond@darktech.org                  |
     |                       |    |http://vagabond.virtualave.net/        |
     |                       |    |1:124/7013                             |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |FMail Support          |T   |wijnstra@fmail.nl.eu.org               |
     |                       |    |http://fmail.nl.eu.org/                |
     |                       |    |2:280/1076                             |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Squish Tosser          |T   |http://www.lanius.com/squish.htm       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Argus RITLABS          |M   |argus@ritlabs.com                      |
     |                       |    |373-2-246889                           |
     |                       |    |http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/          |
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     |                       |    |2:469/84                               |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |FrontDoor              |MTPC|Definite Solutions                     |
     |FrontDoor APX          |    |sales@defsol.se                        |
     |Mailer/Point Software  |    |http://www.defsol.se/                  |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |BeeMail Home Page      |M   |http://beemail.gexonline.net           |
     |                       |    |Stephen Proffit                        |
     |                       |    |1:211/405                              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |BinkleyTerm XE         |M   |http://btxe.sourceforge.net/           |
     |Frontend Mailer        |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |BinkD                  |MI  |maloff@corbina.net                     |
     |                       |    |http://2f.ru/binkd/                    |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Fidogate               |UIT |Martin_Junius@m-j-s.net                |
     |                       |    |http://www.fidogate.org/               |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Fidonet to Internet    |IM  |Bo Bendtsen                            |
     |Mailer                 |    |sales@terminate.com                    |
     |                       |    |http://www.terminate.com/fido2int.htm  |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |GiGo Software          |UI  |http://www.gigo.com/                   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Internet Rex           |IM  |cruden@cs.ualberta.ca                  |
     |                       |    |http://plaza.v-wave.com/InternetRex/   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Tmail                  |IM  |http://www.tmail.spb.ru/index-19.htm   |
     |(Russian /w English DL)|    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |TransX Multiboard      |M   |support@multiboard.com                 |
     |Communications Inc.    |    |http://www.multiboard.com/software/    |
     |                       |    |transx.html                            |
     |                       |    |1:2401/305                             |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |TransNet               |I   |transnet@ressl.com.ar                  |
     |                       |    |http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/      |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Watergate              |I   |ramon@sbbs.se                          |
     |                       |    |http://www2.sbbs.se/hp/ramon/          |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |JetSys-Home of JetMail |TU  |http://www.jetsys.de/                  |
     |JetStat and other Atari|    |                                       |
     |Fidonet utilities      |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |APoint (Author)        |P   |http://www.apoint.websale.net/index.htm|
     |                       |    |http://www.apoint-mail.de (Co-Autho)   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |CrossPoint             |P   |("Original" version)                   |
     |                       |    |http://www.crosspoint.de               |
     |                       |    |http://www.apoint-mail.de              |
     |                       |    |(OpenXP Projekt)                       |
     |                       |    |http://www.openxp.com (English)        |
     |                       |    |http://www.openxp.de (German)          |
     |                       |    |CrossPoint (XP2 Team)                  |
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     |                       |    |http://www.xp2.de                      |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |WinPoint95             |P   |http://www.schenksmir.de/wp/english    |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |The OpenXP CrossPoint  |P   |http://www.happyarts.de/xp             |
     |Projekt                |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Terminate Terminal     |P   |http://www.terminate.com               |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |PPoint-FTS compatible  |P   |http://www.alcuf.ca/ppoint.htm         |
     |E-Mail System          |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     \====================================================================/

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         Net 282:  http://www.rxn.com/~net282/
       Region 15:  http://www.bobsplc.com/public/reg15
       Region 17:  http://www.region17.net
         Net 140:  http://www.nwstar.com/~net140
       Region 19:  http://www.biseonline.com/r19
         Net 124:  http://www.DallasInet.com/net124/
                   http://pages.sbcglobal.net/flv/
         Net 393:  http://www.chatter.com/~wb/

     Zone 2:       http://www.z2.fidonet.org
     FIDONEWS 19-32               Page 16                  12 Aug 2002


       Region 20:  http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
       Region 23:  http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)

       Region 24:  http://www.was-ist-fido.de/ (German)
         Fido-IP:  http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German)
       Region 26:  http://www.nemesis.ie
       Region 27:  http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
       Region 29:  http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/  (French)
       Region 34:  http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm  (Spanish)
           REC34:  http://www.fidospain.org
       Region 38:  http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
       Region 41:  http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
       Region 50:  http://www.fido7.com/  (Russian)
       Region 53:  http://fido.bitsoft.ro/
        Net 5010:  http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/  (Russian)
        Net 5015:  http://www.fido.nnov.ru/  (Russian)

     Zone 3:       http://www.z3.fidonet.org

     Zone 4:
       Region 80:  http://www.rbt.com.br (Portuguese)
         Net 904:  http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)

     Zone 5:       http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/

     Zone 6:       http://www.z6.fidonet.org
       Region 65:  http://www.cfido.com (Chinese)


               Fidonet Via Internet Hubs provided by FidoTel.com



     Node#      | Operator          | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
                |                   |                |latency|
     -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
     Zone 1     |                   |                |       |
       10/3     | Brenda Donovan    | FTP,UUE,BinkP  | 384K,30| n/c
       10/345   | Todd Cochrane     | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,!  | n/c
       18/500   | Ross Cassell      | FTP, BinkP     |128K+,!| n/c
      103/5     | Mark Luetger      | BinkP          | CABLE | n/c
      103/301   | Joe Jared         | BinkP,FTP,NFS  | 384k,!| n/c
      103/401   | Warren Bonner     | BinkP          | aDSL,!| n/c
      105/8     | Russ Johnson      | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k  | n/c
      105/72    | Larry James       | FTP, BinkP     | aDSL  | $50/yr
      106/1     | Steve Loupe       | BinkP, FTP     | 768k  | FREE
      106/2000  | Bob Juge        | BinkP VMoT FTP TX| ???   | n/c
      106/6018  | Lawrence Garvin   | FTP, VMoT      | aDSL,60| n/c
      107/453   | Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
      134/11    | Michael Grant  | FTP, BinkP, VMoT UUE, IFCICO,TransX
                                                    aDSL, 60 | n/c
      138/146   | Marc Blakely      | BinkP,FTP      | ???   | n/c
      140/1     | Bob Seaborn       | FTP,BinkP      | T3,30 | $5/$16
      142/906   | Chris Griffin     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      150/220   | Dave Nemeth       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      153/7715  | Dallas Hinton     | BinkD, FTP     | CABLE | ???
     FIDONEWS 19-32               Page 17                  12 Aug 2002


      167/133   | Stephen Monteith  | BinkP          | 128k+ | n/c
      167/166   | Jesse Dooling     | POP? UUE TX FTP| ???   | n/c
      218/109   | Matt Munson       | BinkP,UUE,TX   | 33.6k | n/c
      220/10    | groberts|nexusbbs.net |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c
      229/1     | Phil Simpson      | BinkP UUE FTP  | ???   | n/c
      229/2000  | Robert Couture    |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ???   |
      229/622   | Dave Hamilton     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      250/98    | Darin McBride     | BinkP FTP TX   | ???   | n/c
      250/99    | Brent McLaren     | FTP BinkP      | ???   | n/c
      250/102   | Darin McBride     | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
      267/169   | Philip Lozier     | FTP TX         | ???   | n/c
      261/1380  | Joe Davis         | UUE TX         | ???   | n/c
      275/311   | Shannon Talley|FTP,BinkP,FTP,VMoT,QWK| T1  |n/c
      280/169   | Brian Greenstreet | FTP            | 33.6  | $2mo.
      297/11    | Michael McCabe    | TX             | ???   | n/c
      323/120   | Craig Healy       | VMoT FTP       | ???   | n/c
      342/3     | Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP      | 128K+ | n/c
      393/48    | Ben Ritchey       | UUE:BFDS?      | 33.6k | n/c
      379/1     | Dale Ross         | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
      379/1200  | Chris Cranford    | BinkP FTP TX   | ???   | n/c
      396/45    | Marc Lewis        |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ADSL  | n/c
     2215/300   | Dennis Haddox     | UUE,TX         | CABLE | n/c
     2320/38    | Janis Kracht      | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
     2410/400   | Gary Gilmore      | FTP BinkP      | 384K,60| n/c
     2410/213   | Kevin Bentz       | FTP, BinkP, UUE| Cable | n/c
     2604/104   | Jim Mclaughlin    | FTP,VMoT,UUE   | 33.6  | $1mo
     2624/306   | David Calafrancesco  | VMoT        | 33.6  | n/c
     3613/1275  | @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE,FTP    | 28.8  | n/c
     3407/4     | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3632/84    | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3830/5     | Jeff Schrunk      |BinkP FTP TX UUE| ???   | n/c
     3830/9     | Steve Quarrella   |BinkP FTP IFCICO VMoT UUE|?|?
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 2     |
       20/11    | Henrik Lindhe     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       22/222   | Kim Heino         | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       28/1     | Lody Caenen       | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
       31/1     | Gabriel Plutzar   | BinkP          | T1+   | n/c
       37/37    | Gabor Z. Papp     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       47/999   | Andrej Kirejev    | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
       53/558   |Vladimir Hrusca|POP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP,ifcico|2mbs|??
      201/329   | Mats Wallin       | VMoT TX        | ???   | n/c
      201/505   | Gran Eriksson    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      201/600   | Hkan Andersson   |BinkP,FTP       |512kbps| n/c
      203/600   | Mikael Karlsson   |BinkP,FTP,TX,UUE| 512k  | n/c
      211/37    | Torbjorn Mohn     | BinkP          | 8/2mb | n/c
      221/360   | Tommi Koivula     | BinkP,UUE      | ???   | n/c
      236/205   | Michael Kaaber    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      240/6298  | Steve Tell        | BinkP UUE      | ???   | n/c
      246/2098  | Volker Imre       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      252/110   | David Rance       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      255/90    | Simon Avery       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      263/950   | Sean Rima         | TX UUE         | ???   | n/c
      280/1027  | Lukas de Groen    | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
      280/1601  | Jeroen VanDeLeur  | FTP,UUE        | 64k   | n/c
      280/4312  | Jos Huijnen   | BinkP ifcico UUE TX| ???   | n/c
     FIDONEWS 19-32               Page 18                  12 Aug 2002


      280/5003  | Kees van Eeten    | BinkP ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      292/624   | Steven Leeman     | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
      292/854   | Ward Dossche      | BinkP UUE TX   | ???   | n/c
      292/2003  | Eric Vaneberck    | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      301/1     | Peter Witschi     | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      332/807   | Roberto Mascolo   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      333/0     | M Gianformaggio   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      335/534   | Mario Mure        | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k   | n/c
      335/610   | Gino Lucrezi      | UUE            | 33.6  | n/c
      341/14    | Rafael Suarez     | BinkP VMoT     | ???   | n/c
      341/51    | Jose.Maria Tejada | VMoT           |       |
      341/66    | Angel Ripoll      | VMoT           |       |
      343/168   | Jose Casanova     | VMoT           |       |
      344/201   | Julio Garcia      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      346/3     | Carlos Navarro    | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      347/1     | Javi Polo         | UUE            |       |
      348/105   | Alejandro Estraviz| BinkP UUE      |       |
      382/100   | Sinisa Burina     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/555   | Ofir Michaeli     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/557   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      423/81    | Milos Bajer       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      461/256   | Andrew Rutkas     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      461/640   | Alex Semenyaka    |BinkP ifcico UUE| ???   | n/c
      465/204   | Va Milushnikov    | BinkP          | 33.6k | n/c
      469/84    | Max Masyutin      | VMoT           | 256k  | n/c
      469/128   | Oleg Vasenyoff    | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      480/112   | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k  | n/c
      550/4077  | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE            | ----- | n/c
     2410/201   | Karsten Ebeling   | BinkP UUE      | ???   | n/c
     2411/413   | Dennis Dittrich   | UUE,BinkP      | 64k   | n/c
     2432/200   | Sven Dueker       | BinkP TX UUE   | ???   | n/c
     2446/301   | Lothar Behet  | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K   | n/c
     2474/275   | Christian Emig    | UUE            | 64k   | unkn
     2487/3000  | Steffen Gross     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5002/5002  | Victor Belyakov   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5014/4     | Alex Bagmanov     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5020/52    | Peter Didenko     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/54    | Serge Wizgounoff  | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5020/69    | B Chernivetsky    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/238   | Sergey Gubanov    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5030/115   | Andrey Podkolzin  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5030/1251  | K Stepanekov      | UUE            | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/1159  | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE          | 33.6  | n/c
     5049/12    | Amir Shabashvili  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5054/3     | Andrew Popov      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5080/80    | Eugene Zorin      | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5083/21    | Alexander Uskov   | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5090/2     | Andrew Titov      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 3
      633/260   | Malcolm Miles     | FTP,BinkP      | 64K   | n/c
      640/954   | Rick Van Ruth     | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
      712/311   | Bob James         | TX             | ???   | n/c
      774/605   | Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c
     FIDONEWS 19-32               Page 19                  12 Aug 2002


     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 4
      801/161   | Renato Zambon     | UUE            | 33.6  |n/c
      902/18    | Javier Tejedor    | UUE            | 33,6  | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 6
       65/3000  | Lawrence Fan      | UUE            | 33600 | free
      653/1009  | Maorong Chen      | UUE            | ???   | free
      654/0     | Bin Li            | UUE,BinkP      | 33600 | free
      654/1501  | Lawrence Fan      | UUE,BinkP      | 28800 | free

     --
     * FTP    = Internet File Transfer Protocol
     * VMoT   = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
     * UUE    = uuencode<->email type transfers
     * BinkP  = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
     * TX     = TransX
     * NFS    = Linux Networking
     * ifcico = ifcico-compatible virtual mailer
     * QWK    = Quick Packets/Offline mailer "networking" capable
     ----------------------------------------------
     Fidonet oriented news servers

     news.fidotel.com (currently offline)
     news.osirusoft.com
     news.tardis.net
     nntp://fido.bitsoft.ro
     nntp://bbs.bitsoft.ro

     Fidonet oriented chat rooms.

     room #fidonet  5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays
     irc.osirusoft.com  (Peers wanted)
     irc.sinoptix.ro : malay, chinesse, english, #fido, #fidonet, #wwb
     irc.bitsoft.ro : 6667 russian, english, hebrew, #fido, #wwb
     irc.tsua.net : 6668 russian, english #fido

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                             SPECIAL INTEREST
     =================================================================

                         Nodelist Stats

      Input nodelist  nodelist.221
                size  1074.9kb
                date  2002-08-09

      The nodelist has   9472 nodes in it
        and a total of  12428 non-comment entries

              including     6 zones
                           61 regions
                          458 hosts
                          659 hubs
         admin overhead  1184 ( 12.50 %)

                    and   940 private nodes
                          424 nodes down
                          408 nodes on hold
      off line overhead  1772 ( 18.71 %)


      Speed summary:

               >9600 =    734 (  7.75 %)
                9600 =   8263 ( 87.24 %)
                              (HST  =  180 or   2.18 %)
                              (CSP  =    1 or   0.01 %)
                              (PEP  =   12 or   0.15 %)
                              (MAX  =    0 or   0.00 %)
                              (HAY  =    1 or   0.01 %)
                              (V32  = 4501 or  54.47 %)
                              (V32B =  481 or   5.82 %)
                              (V34  = 5436 or  65.79 %)
                              (V42  = 4469 or  54.08 %)
                              (V42B =  499 or   6.04 %)
                2400 =     99 (  1.05 %)
                1200 =      8 (  0.08 %)
                 300 =    368 (  3.89 %)

                ISDN =    952 ( 10.05 %)

     ----------------------------------------------------------
      File Req Flag   Applicable software     Number of systems
     ----------------------------------------------------------
      XA              Frontdoor <1.99b             3385
                      Frontdoor  2.02+
                      Dutchie 2.90c
                      Binkleyterm >2.1
                      D'Bridge <1.3
                      TIMS
                      Xenia
     --------------------------------------
     FIDONEWS 19-32               Page 21                  12 Aug 2002


      XB              Binkleyterm 2.0                 8
                      Dutchie 2.90b
     --------------------------------------
      XC              Opus 1.1                       10
     --------------------------------------
      XP              Seadog                          6
     --------------------------------------
      XR              Opus 1.03                      56
     --------------------------------------
      XW              Fido >12M                     387
                      Tabby
                      KittenMail
     --------------------------------------
      XX              D'Bridge 1.30                4180
                      Frontdoor 1.99b
                      Intermail 2.01
                      T-Mail
     --------------------------------------
      None            QMM                          1440
     --------------------------------------

      CrashMail capable =   3038 ( 32.07 %)
      MailOnly nodes    =   5120 ( 54.05 %)
      Listed-only nodes =    739 (  7.80 %)
      Other             =    575 (  6.07 %)

      [Report produced by NETSTATS - A PD pgm available from 1:106/100]
      [                                 Revised by B Felten, 2:203/208]

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