     The  F I D O N E W S      Volume 18, Number 50             10 Dec 2001 
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     | |The newsletter of the | | Fido, Fidonet and dog-with-diskette are |
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            Copyright 2001 by Fidonews Editor for Fidonews Globally.


                        Table of Contents
     1. [ FOOD FOR THOUGHT ]  .....................................  1
     2. [ INSIDE ]  ...............................................  2
        The Fidonews at a Glance  .................................  2
     3. [ GENERAL ARTICLES ]  .....................................  3
        All good things must end  .................................  3
        Travels through Darwin, Zone 3  ...........................  3
     4. [ FIDONET CURRENT EVENTS ]  ...............................  5
        An end to RC elections throughout zone one?  ..............  5
        Formal request for Policy change  .........................  6
     5. [ REBUTTALS TO PREVIOUS ARTICLES ]  .......................  8
        Rebuttal to Doc Logger  ...................................  8
     6. [ OL'WDB'S COLUMN - WARREN BONNER ]  ......................  9
        Ol'WDB's Column  ..........................................  9
     7. [ COMIX IN ASCII ]  ....................................... 11
        Poor Doggie  .............................................. 11
     8. [ CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES ]  .................................. 12
        Psychic  .................................................. 12
     9. [ SPECIAL INTEREST ]  ..................................... 13
        Nodelist Stats  ........................................... 13
     10. [ TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ]  ............ 15
        Fidonet Software List  .................................... 15
     11. [ JOE JARED'S FIDONET BY INTERNET ]  ..................... 19
        Fidonet-related sites  .................................... 19
     12. [ FIDONEWS INFORMATION ]  ................................ 25
        How to Submit an Article  ................................. 25
        Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability  .................. 26
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                           [ FOOD FOR THOUGHT ]
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     "Finally 21, and Legally Able to Do Everything I've Been Doing Since
     15."

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     =================================================================
                                [ INSIDE ]
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                            The Fidonews at a Glance

      Carl Austin Bennett visits us in the "Current Events" with his view
     on current Zone1 events as they affect Zone 1 and possibly all of
     Fidonet.

     The Editor also visits the "Current Events" with an attempt at the
     "impossible".

      Andrea Santos visits us with a rebuttal to Doc Logger.

      OL'WDB gives us some views in his column.

      In the "General Articles", there are a couple of visits from xxcarol.
     One is about her visit to Australia. Darwin, to be exact.

      This week's Comix seems to tell a story. "Poor Doggie"

      The "Fidonet Software Listing" has a new format.

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     =================================================================
                           [ GENERAL ARTICLES ]
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                            All good things must end
                            From Carol Shenkenberger
                                   6:730/275

     In 1988 I bought my first 'real machine' from ZEOS corporation.
     Steady and faithful, she stayed with me in one level or another for
     the next 6 years.  Finally, after my 3 cats had a fight which caused
     a 'cat-as-trophy' of 'cat-scading-cards' inside, all but my trusty
     keyboard was dead.

     Ah, but that keyboard!  Memories!  It's fingerworn to where most of
     the alphabet has worn off. It has 'clean spots' from when in San
     Diego, we held conventions and took our BBS machines offline for the
     day to demo them to the public.  See, it was so old and decrepit by
     then, a q-tip got used and made clean spots <g>.

     Years of messages of joy and of pain have traversed those old keys.
     Now I think, it sits in a spot of honor, having at last been replaced
     with a new one.  *sniff* I miss her already.
                           xxcarol
                           Sasebo, Japan

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                         Travels through Darwin, Zone 3
                            From Carol Shenkenberger
                                   6:730/275

     I'd like to tell you all how delightful Australia is!  I didn't get
     to see much other than downtown Darwin and sadly did not get to meet
     any sysops while there, but I had a lively email exchange with Kevin
     Symons (most seen in the COOKING echo) and Greg (same echo)
     who both live in Adelaide.  I spoke with Greg's daughter-in-law and
     we will meet up for lunch/dinner next trip.

     The first thing you note as a traveller arriving, is the lovely blue
     water.  Ok, it's not as 'grab your eyeballs and shake you blue' as
     Okinawa but it is notable!  The pier is very clean and well situated
     for walking to town if you feel like taking a stroll vice the bus.
     The busses by the way are exceptionally clean and well run.  Kudos
     to OZ for that one!

     The town part I saw is mostly walking distance from the pier-side
     portion and being a sailor, I had to try 'pub crawling' (oh my
     head!).  Pub crawling in OZ is an interesting experience.  Beer
     comes in two sizes.  Too small and too large (grin).  The brands are
     ones the average American will never have tried for the most part.
     Fosters and Guiness were the only 2 familiar names.  I tried all
     the other ones and found 'Victoria Bitters' (VB) to be the one I
     liked the best.  I didnt try any bottled types, just draft.

     Walking about you find many native Australians (Aborigonees?) who
     FIDONEWS 18-50               Page 4                   10 Dec 2001


     don't wear shoes (by choice).  I talked with Bil for about 2 hours
     while lazing about the local shopping district and we had fun with
     our different accents.  Good conversationalist and I caught a story
     hour with him and some kids.

     Shopping is both familiar and strange at the same time.  Walmart for
     example is a grocery store.  They have Kmarts and McDonalds and such
     like plus some facinating OZ chain stores.

     All in all, it was a good place to be and seemed an excellent place
     to live.  Exchange rate was about 2$OZ for 1$USD.  Works out the
     same though as everything costs almost twice as much.  20$ USD is
     still enough to go pub crawling although it becomes 40$OZ and
     change.

     A difference is getting used to using coins to pay for things.
     Those of us from Japan are used to that but it's even more notable
     in OZ.  Probably that's because of the denominations used there.

     I saw one other place but only from a distance.  East Timor, which
     is part of Indonesia geographically.  We did a 'humanitarian
     assistance' visit there where the Dentist and Medical Doctor went
     ashore with teams to treat patients.  I don't know if that's zone3
     or zone6.  Suai Beach area and the people are very poor.

     Due to several local diseases which we have no immunity for (malaria
     for example), few got to get off the ship there and I lost the raffle
     for one of the slots.  Those who did get to go, told us all about
     it.

     War has been a constant in their lives and we were able to do little
     in the big scheme of things but we eased a few people.  We also took
     a huge load of donated goods from Darwin up there for distribution.
     T-shirts, shoes, medicines, toys, and educational materials were the
     main lot of that.  The schools had asked for pencils and notepads
     for example and we took up a ship collection of over 1,500$ then
     got lots of such wholesale from the Darwin stores and delivered it.
     3,000$OZ goes a long way wholesale for those types of supplys.

                                     xxcarol

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                        [ FIDONET CURRENT EVENTS ]
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                  An end to RC elections throughout zone one?
                         Carl Austin Bennett 1:249/116

     It appears that our illustrious ZC1 has been tampering with the
     content of regional nodelist segments, removing both 1:12/0
     (Lesley-Dee Dylan) and 1:12/379 (Dale Ross). The name which appears in
     the /0 position is neither that of the elected RC nor the deputy RC.

     So what does this mean to sysops in the other nine regions of zone
     one, or elsewhere in Fidonet?

     If your region has a policy where your NC's elect an RC, kiss it
     goodbye. If your region has a policy where your sysops elect an RC,
     kiss it goodbye too. Janis has just unilaterally set this network back
     twelve years, way back to the distant 1200-bits-per-second days before
     RC's were selected democratically by various regions which they
     represent.

     A dangerous precedent has been established.

     If Z1 reverts to a 1989-style "ZC appoints RC's who appoint the ZC"
     system there is nothing to stop Janis from removing your RC's or even
     from removing all ten Z1 RC's and replacing them with her own
     supporters.

     This precedent also sends a clear but unfortunate message to the other
     zones. At this point, all checks and balances in the system are
     removed.

     You have a regional policy (such as those in regions like R13 and R18)
     intended to guarantee your net's right to go vote? Expect it to be
     ignored in much the same way that R12's current election policy is
     being ignored.

     Who, then, does this affect? Everyone. The vast majority of regions
     have some procedure in place to elect co-ordinators. This affects them
     all.

     That Janis and Lesley-Dee hold politically opposite opinions is beside
     the point. This does not justify tampering with the nodelist in this
     way.

     Lesley-Dee was elected to represent her region, not to represent one
     ZC. She was elected by a little more than a 2:1 majority of sysops
     in-region. She answers to the region which elected her, period.

     As for Janis' claim that Lesley-Dee should not have given an RIN to
     Dale Ross? A red herring. Lesley-Dee didn't nodelist Dale, I did.

     I listed Dale to address concerns expressed by members of the region
     about the political "go list yourself elsewhere" sentiments being
     directed at him.
     FIDONEWS 18-50               Page 6                   10 Dec 2001


     I have since stepped down, but as we say in MOOSECHAT, the buck stops
     here.

     So what should be done? If Janis was put in the ZC position by six
     regions, then six regional co-ordinators would be able to overrule her
     or even force the election of a new ZC should the need arise. There
     are more than six regions in zone one with elected co-ordinators in
     some form; these regions all have a direct interest in seeing this
     dangerous precedent reversed in order to keep their own elected RC's.

     However, for such an approach to be effective, other regions need to
     speak out now. Waiting until more of the RC's (or even all of them)
     have been removed and replaced with Janis' hand-picked appointees will
     only make the problems much worse.

     If you are a sysop elsewhere in zone one, contact your RC and ask for
     their intervention. If you are an RC still in place elsewhere in zone
     one, contact your fellow RC's. It only takes six regions to address
     this issue. The worst thing that you can do is to sit and do nothing.

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                        Formal request for Policy change
                               From/By Frank Vest
                                     1:1/23

     It was brought up in the Fidonews echo that the section of P4
     regarding the Fidonews is not accurate. Below is a message that I, as
     Fidonews Editor, wrote to all the RCs in Fidonet.

     I see this as a "do'able" thing. It would affect no other section of
     P4. It might, in fact, get the RCs in Fidonet together to do more good
     for P4 and Fidonet in general.

     If the RCs can work together to do this small thing, it is possible
     that they can work together to do other things for P4 and Fidonet.

     I felt it an obligation for me and worth the try. If you feel similar,
     please contact your NC, RC or ZC in support of this.  Thank you.


     ---- begin ---
     Dear Regional Coordinators,


     Please reference the below quoted section of Policy 4;


     "1.3.1  FidoNews

     FidoNews is a weekly newsletter distributed in electronic form
     throughout the network.  It is an important medium by which FidoNet
     sysops communicate with each other.  FidoNews provides a sense of
     being a community of people with common interests.  Accordingly,
     sysops and users are encouraged to contribute to FidoNews.
     Contributions are submitted to node 1:1/1; a file describing the
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     format to be used is available from 1:1/1 and many other systems."


     This is not accurate in that the address given is not correct. I would
     like to ask that the below change to Policy 4 be proposed and that
     this change be voted on as noted in Policy 4.

     "1.3.1  FidoNews

     FidoNews is a weekly newsletter distributed in electronic form
     throughout the network.  It is an important medium by which FidoNet
     sysops communicate with each other.  FidoNews provides a sense of
     being a community of people with common interests.  Accordingly,
     sysops and users are encouraged to contribute to FidoNews.
     Contributions are submitted to the node that is listed in the Zone
     section of the current Fidonet Nodelist as Fidonews Editor; a file
     describing the format to be used is available from many systems."


      As described in Policy 4, referenced below, a proposal for a change
     may be brought to the Regional Coordinators in Fidonet and by a
     majority of the Regional Coordinators to the International
     Coordinator.

      I now formally ask that the Regional Coordinators decide if the above
     proposed change to Policy 4 should be considered. If so, please
     contact the International Coordinator with your request for this
     change.


     "8  Referenda

     The procedures described in this section are used to ratify a new
     version of FidoNet policy, which is the mechanism by which policy is
     changed. This procedure is also used to impeach a Zone Coordinator.


     8.1  Initiation

     A referendum on policy modification is invoked when a majority  of the
     FidoNet Regional Coordinators inform the International Coordinator
     that they wish to consider a proposed new version of Policy."


     Sincerely,

     Frank Vest - Editor, Fidonews
     ---- end ----

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                    [ REBUTTALS TO PREVIOUS ARTICLES ]
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                             Rebuttal to Doc Logger
                       From: andrea.santos@santronics.com


     >From the Depths of the South Pacific ...

     Doc scribbles again, and I'm honored to have coaxed him off the sun
     drenched beach long enough to offer geopolitical prose.

     I have long believed much of Region 12 would be happiest relocating
     from the Tundra to the placid Furlong Island, where Anarchy reigns
     supreme, the only edible food source is the insectual variety and Zone
     12 can be established without a dissenting vote.  For good measure, I
     will offer an Avocado seedling to kick off inaugural festivities and
     diversify the delectable edibles.

     Like yourself, I have bid adieu to the daily Fidonet bickerings and
     now don custom red, white and blue shades on my Segway transporter in
     support of the USA's quest to obliterate Evil Doers of the world.  The
     National Museum has requested to take possession of these treasures
     when the task is complete, to which I've agreed, for a yearly,
     renewable tax credit.

     Alas, Duty calls ... off to the Jai Alai!

     Andrea Santos
     1:135/382

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                    [ OL'WDB'S COLUMN - WARREN BONNER ]
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                                Ol'WDB's Column
                                  wdbonner@pacbell.net

               The old Fidonet's Weather-vane is A-Swinging!

     Interest in Fidonet seems to be on the increase again, at least among
     some of the past nodes, like 'Doc Logger' for instance.  Sure good to
     find him back in the snooze again.  I don't pretend I understand all
     of the nuances he lays on whoever "Dear Reverend Visage" is, but his
     attitude and altitude are in harmony with the ecology of the space he
     uses.  <Chortle>  Funny thing, back when I was editor I asked "where
     is Doc Logger?" several times in Fidonews echo... no reply.  So it is
     a real treat to find him back from the south seas, via Charles
     Herriot. :)

     Doc's usual style of direct answers to broad or concise questions
     proved he was on top of this problem 110%.  He elaborated with a
     strong deep papal voice to the Question of the editor: "Do we need
     policy? The answer is self-evident. Of course "we" do. Where else will
     socially maladroit people find refuge when their limitations might
     otherwise compel them to recognize that rules and regulations are a
     perfect substitute for common sense?", stated the good doctor, with
     just the right spin to get many growls from the P4 wankers. <chuckle>
     That off hand statement was so rich in reality I found it worth
     repeating... as I listened to the roar of the standing ovation from
     the "silent majority".  We all hope Doc's Sinclair ZX-81 holds up for
     many more articles! :-)

     And there is our sea going Fidonews communications reporter! Good ole
     Shannon Talley back in Fidonews echo after a long hiatus being out of
     range on board a USN warship, communicating via satellite to his very
     large Fido site: http://www.fidotel.com/ featuring Telnet, Qwk, html,
     and news.  He is interested in creating a Free BBS for all 'would be'
     nodes , especially the new generation of young people who otherwise
     would just surf the Internet. The Fidonet weather-vane is detecting a
     change in the winds and currents of the entire earth globe... 8^)

     A lot has been cussed and discussed about nodelist stuffing in the
     echoes the last couple of weeks.  Some seem to think they can acquire
     a nodelisting in any net/region for any reason, (or no reason). They
     were given their original node number by their NC after they did
     comply with Policy 3 or 4 or 4.07.  They were happy enough at that
     time to accept it's rules/guidelines that their NC carefully
     explained. Now, Policy wankers, without regard to their geographical
     location or the guidelines of Policy4.07, insist it is their right to
     be listed anywhere they wish, for reason or not, and as many listings
     as they want. They denounce P4 as "inapplicable" to THEM as they have
     more modern working technology.  It is unfortunate that some software
     has not been developed to accommodate both POTS and ISP connections
     with respect to the nodelist and accommodating flags.

     True, there are exceptions permitted by Policy, for technical reasons,
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     controlled by the *C's as needed to patch any holes that pop up in the
     nets.  In MHO it is not in the nodes power to play grasshopper to any,
     and as many, Nets and Regions as s/he wishes.  That would destroy the
     net/regions/zone fabric.  It also would bring chaos to listings,
     elections, appeals, and more importantly the very spirit a sysop has
     in accepting the responsibilities as NC.  I find much is being said in
     echoes about "no one wants to be NC"...  Is it any wonder???  Why in
     the world would anyone want to serve as ANY *C with the bashing the
     malcontents display in open echo?  They don't even show the courtesy
     of NetMail to iron out their discomfitures.  Seems they love to
     belittle and demean every function of the administrative work those
     souls charged with Coordinator status, or their assistants try to do.
     Should Fido die this group of malcontents, the ones that work to kill
     the *C structure, will have only ashes to dance upon while they battle
     each other for top dog.  When did common sense and civil procedure die
     in Fidonet? The struggle to appear sharper, smarter or wiser than
     others in the echoes, while contemptuously denying Policy4.07, is what
     a lot of this is about, and is a form of self gratification.   JMHO

     Hope the Doc Logger has another flick for us this week!

     Warm Regards,
     Ol'wdb

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                            [ COMIX IN ASCII ]
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                                  Poor Doggie

        ________              _--~~~~~|~~~~~--_
       |        |          .-~        |        ~-.
      _| FIRE!! |        .-~          |           ~-.
     /__________|       /             |_             \
                       /             /| \             \
                      |             /|oo \             |
                      |            (_|| /_)            |
                      |---------------@/---------------|
                      |            |  |  | \   \\      |
                      |            | (|) |  \   ))     |
                       \           |__U__| /  \//     /
                        \           _/||| _\   /     /
                         `-_       (_||_|(____/   _-'
                           `-_        |        _-'
                             ~~---____|____---~~
                              ZONE 1 MISSILE SIGHT

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                          [ CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES ]
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                                    Psychic
                   From: Warren Bonner <wdbonner@pacbell.net>

     A woman goes to the local psychic in hopes of contacting her dearly
     departed grandmother who she dearly adored as a child.  She wanted to
     contact her.

     The psychic's eyelids begin fluttering, her voice begins warbling, her
     hands float up above the table, and she begins moaning. Eventually, a
     coherent voice emanates, saying, "Granddaughter? Are you there?"

     The customer, wide-eyed and on the edge of her seat, responds,
     "Grandmother? Is that you?"

     Quivering voice, "Oh yes my sweet Granddaughter, this is Grandmother
     dear."

     Granddaughter: "Is that really, really you Grandmother?"

     Quivering ancient voice, "Yes, yes this is your Grandmother, my
     sweetie!"

     Long pause... "Grandmother... when did you learn to speak English???"

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                           [ SPECIAL INTEREST ]
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                                 Nodelist Stats

      INPUT NODELIST FILE      : NODELIST.341
      File has a Date Stamp of : 12/7/2001
      File Size (uncompressed) :   1182.65 KBytes.

      The Input Nodelist file  has 10791 Nodes in it
      and a total of  13925 non-comment entries.

      The list has     6 Zones listed.
                      65 Region Coordinators listed.
                     489 Network Hosts listed.
                     737 Hubs listed.
                     391 DOWN Nodes listed.
                     887 PRIVATE Nodes listed.
                     559 HOLD Nodes listed.

      Administrative overhead = 1297 ( 12.02 %)
      PRIVATE NODES overhead  = 887 (  8.22 %)

      Baud Rate Summary (or, BPS, for the die-hard technocrats):
            9600 =   9250 (  85.72 %)
                        (HST's =  199 or   2.15 % of the 9600 baud modems.)
                        (CSP's =    2 or   0.02 % of the 9600 baud modems.)
                        (PEP's =   15 or   0.16 % "        "    "     "   )
                        (MAX's =    0 or   0.00 % "        "    "     "   )
                        (HAY's =    3 or   0.03 % "        "    "     "   )
                        (V32's = 5212 or  56.35 % "        "    "     "   )
                        (V32B's =  612 or   6.62 % "       "    "     "   )
                        (V42's = 4988 or  53.92 % "        "    "     "   )
                        (V42B's =  663 or   7.17 % "       "    "     "   )
            2400 =    107 (  0.99 %)
            1200 =      6 (  0.06 %)
             300 =    469 (  4.35 %)

     ----------------------------------------------------------
      F_Req Flag      Applicable Software     Number of Systems
     ----------------------------------------------------------
      XA              Frontdoor <1.99b             4128
                      Frontdoor  2.02+
                      Dutchie 2.90c
                      Binkleyterm >2.1
                      D'Bridge <1.3
                      TIMS
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      XB              Binkleyterm 2.0                10
                      Dutchie 2.90b
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      XC              Opus 1.1                       11
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      XP              Seadog                          7
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      XR              Opus 1.03                      74
     --------------------------------------
      XW              Fido >12M                     409
                      Tabby
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      XX              D'Bridge 1.30               4620
                      Frontdoor 1.99b,2.01
     --------------------------------------

      CrashMail capable =   3844 ( 35.62 %)
      MailOnly Nodes    =   5624 ( 52.12 %)
      Listed-Only Nodes =    813 (  7.53 %)

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               [ TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ]
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                             Fidonet Software List
                                By Todd Cochrane
     Type:

     B=BBS  D=Door  M=Mailer  T=Tosser   C=Communication (terminal)
     U=Utility  P=Point Software  I=Internet (telnet, BinkP...)

     <+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=+=-=-+-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+>
     (   Software Name     ) |Type| (         Author/Contact              )
     <+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=|=-=-|-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+>
     |BBBS Home Page         |B   | b@bbbs.net                            |
     |                       |    | www.bbbs.net/                         |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |ELEBBS The Elevator    |B   | elebbs@elebbs.com                     |
     |Software Production    |    | www.elebbs.com                        |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Hermes II Project      |B   | info@HermesII.org                     |
     |                       |    | http://www.hermesii.org/              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Maximus BBS Support    |B   | sales@lainus.com                      |
     |Page (Non Official)    |    | http://www.vector11.com/maximus/      |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |MBSE BBS               |B   | Michiel Broek                         |
     |                       |    | mbroek@users.sourceforge.net          |
     |                       |    | http://mbse.sourceforge.net           |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Mystic BBS             |B   | http://www.mysticbbs.com/mystic/      |
     |                       |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Nexus Bulletin         |B   | groberts@nexusbbs.net                 |
     |Board System           |    | http://www.nexusbbs.net/              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Proboard, Searchlight, |BC  | info@telegrafix.com                   |
     |Telegrafix             |    | http://www.telegrafix.com             |
     |Communications         |    | 540-678-4050                          |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |RemoteAccess           |B   | Bruce Morse                           |
     |Central                |    | bfmorse@rapro.com                     |
     |                       |    | http://www.rapro.com/                 |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Spitfire BBS           |B   | MDWoltz@AOL.COM                       |
     |Buffalo Creek Software |    |http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Synchronet BBS         |BT  | sysop@vert.synchro.net                |
     |                       |    | http://www.synchro.net                |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Telegard BBS           |B   | support@telegard.net                  |
     |                       |    | http://www.telegard.net/              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Wildcat Interactive    |BTMI| sales@santronics.com                  |
     |Net Server             |    | http://www.santronics.com             |
     FIDONEWS 18-50               Page 16                  10 Dec 2001


     |Plantinum Express      |    |(305)248-3204                          |
     |                       |    | Santronics Inc.                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Bentstone Capabilities |D   | info@stonebenders.com                 |
     |Group                  |    | http://www.srupc.com/mall             |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Jibben Software        |D   | scott@jibben.com                      |
     |                       |    | http://www.jibbensoftware.com/        |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |JNS Software Door Games|D   | Rusty Johnson                         |
     |                       |    | rustyjohnson57@hotmail.com            |
     |                       |    | 304-733-0113                          |
     |                       |    | http://www.geocities.com/jnssoftware/ |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Legend Of The Red      |D   |                                       |
     |Dragon Reborn          |    |                                       |
     |(L.O.R.D.)             |    | http://www.lordlegacy.org/            |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |PC Pursuits            |D   |brucep@pop.kis.net                     |
     |                       |    |(301)240-6653                          |
     |                       |    |http://www.pcpursuits.com/products.htm |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |S and T Software       |D   |Mark Bappe                             |
     |                       |    |mark.bappe@bozax.iainc.net             |
     |                       |    |(770)788-6843                          |
     |                       |    |http://bozax.iainc.net/public/         |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Shinning Star BBS Doors|D   |nannette@shiningstar.net               |
     |                       |    |http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Sunrise Door Software  |D   |Al Lawerence                           |
     |                       |    |al@sunrisedoors.com                    |
     |                       |    |(404)256-9518                          |
     |                       |    |http://www.sunrisedoors.com/           |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |The Brainex System     |D   |info@brainex.com                       |
     |                       |    |http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/ |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Trade Wars Door Game   |D   |jpritch@eisonline.com                  |
     |                       |    |http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/    |
     |                       |    |1:299/110                              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Vagabond Software      |D   |Bryan Turner                           |
     |                       |    |vagabond@darktech.org                  |
     |                       |    |http://vagabond.virtualave.net/        |
     |                       |    |1:124/7013                             |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |FMail Support          |T   |wijnstra@fmail.nl.eu.org               |
     |                       |    |http://fmail.nl.eu.org/                |
     |                       |    |2:280/1076                             |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Squish Tosser          |T   |http://www.lanius.com/squish.htm       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Argus RITLABS          |M   |argus@ritlabs.com                      |
     |                       |    |373-2-246889                           |
     |                       |    |http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/          |
     FIDONEWS 18-50               Page 17                  10 Dec 2001


     |                       |    |2:469/84                               |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |FrontDoor              |MTPC|Definite Solutions                     |
     |FrontDoor APX          |    |sales@defsol.se                        |
     |Mailer/Point Software  |    |http://www.defsol.se/                  |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |BeeMail Home Page      |M   |http://beemail.gexonline.net           |
     |                       |    |Stephen Proffit                        |
     |                       |    |1:211/405                              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |BinkleyTerm XE         |M   |http://btxe.sourceforge.net/           |
     |Frontend Mailer        |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |BinkD                  |MI  |maloff@corbina.net                     |
     |                       |    |http://2f.ru/binkd/                    |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Fidogate               |UIT |Martin_Junius@m-j-s.net                |
     |                       |    |http://www.fidogate.org/               |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Fidonet to Internet    |MI  |Bo Bendtsen                            |
     |Mailer                 |    |sales@terminate.com                    |
     |                       |    |http://www.terminate.com/fido2int.htm  |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |GiGo Software          |UI  |http://www.gigo.com/                   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Internet Rex           |MI  |cruden@cs.ualberta.ca                  |
     |                       |    |http://plaza.v-wave.com/InternetRex/   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Tmail                  |I   |http://www.tmail.spb.ru/index-19.htm   |
     |(Russian /w English DL)|    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |TransX Multiboard      |M   |support@multiboard.com                 |
     |Communications Inc.    |    |http://www.multiboard.com/software/    |
     |                       |    |transx.html                            |
     |                       |    |1:2401/305                             |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |TransNet               |I   |transnet@ressl.com.ar                  |
     |                       |    |http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/      |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Watergate              |I   |ramon@sbbs.se                          |
     |                       |    |http://www2.sbbs.se/hp/ramon/          |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |JetSys-Home of JetMail |TU  |http://www.jetsys.de/                  |
     |JetStat and other Atari|    |                                       |
     |Fidonet utilities      |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |APoint (Author)        |P   |http://www.apoint.websale.net/index.htm|
     |                       |    |http://www.apoint-mail.de (Co-Autho)   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |CrossPoint             |P   |("Original" version)                   |
     |                       |    |http://www.crosspoint.de               |
     |                       |    |http://www.apoint-mail.de              |
     |                       |    |(OpenXP Projekt)                       |
     |                       |    |http://www.openxp.com (English)        |
     |                       |    |http://www.openxp.de (German)          |
     |                       |    |CrossPoint (XP2 Team)                  |
     FIDONEWS 18-50               Page 18                  10 Dec 2001


     |                       |    |http://www.xp2.de                      |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |WinPoint95             |P   |http://www.schenksmir.de/wp/english    |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |The OpenXP CrossPoint  |P   |http://www.happyarts.de/xp             |
     |Projekt                |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Terminate Terminal     |P   |http://www.terminate.com               |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |PPoint-FTS compatible  |P   |http://www.alcuf.ca/ppoint.htm         |
     |E-Mail System          |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     \====================================================================/

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                v-email flag firstname.lastname@osirusoft.com
                | email address or
     Node#      | Operator          | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
                |                   |                |latency|
     -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
     Zone 1     |                   |                |       |
       10/3     @ Brenda Donovan    | FTP,UUE,BinkP  | 384K,30| n/c
       10/345   @ Todd Cochrane     | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,!  | n/c
       18/500   @ Ross Cassell      | FTP, BinkP     |128K+,!| n/c
      103/5     @ Mark Luetger      | BinkP          | CABLE | n/c
      103/301   @ Joe Jared         | BinkP,FTP,NFS  | 384k,!| n/c
      103/401   @ Warren Bonner     | BinkP          | aDSL,!| n/c
      105/8     @ Russ Johnson      | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k  | n/c
      105/72    @ Larry James       | FTP, BinkP     | aDSL  | $50/yr
      106/1     @ Steve Loupe       | BinkP, FTP     | 128k  | ???
      106/2000  | Bob Juge        | BinkP VMoT FTP TX| ???   | n/c
      106/6018  | Lawrence Garvin   | FTP, VMoT      | aDSL,60| n/c
      107/453   @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
      134/11    @ Michael Grant  | FTP, BinkP, VMoT UUE, IFCICO,TransX
                                                    aDSL, 60 | n/c
      138/146   | Marc Blakely      | BinkP,FTP      | ???   | n/c
      140/1     @ Bob Seaborn       | FTP,BinkP      | T3,30 | $5/$16
      142/906   | Chris Griffin     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      150/220   | Dave Nemeth       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      153/7715  | Dallas Hinton     | BinkD, FTP     | CABLE | ???
      167/133   | Stephen Monteith  | BinkP          | 128k+ | n/c
      167/166   | Jesse Dooling     | POP? UUE TX FTP| ???   | n/c
      218/109   @ Matt Munson       | BinkP,UUE,TX   | 33.6k | n/c
      220/10    | groberts@nexusbbs.net |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c
      229/1     | Phil Simpson      | BinkP UUE FTP  | ???   | n/c
      229/2000  | Robert Couture    |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ???   |
      229/622   | Dave Hamilton     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      249/116   | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE    |ADSL,60 | n/c
      250/98    | Darin McBride     | BinkP FTP TX   | ???   | n/c
      250/99    | Brent McLaren     | FTP BinkP      | ???   | n/c
      250/102   | Darin McBride     | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
      267/169   | Philip Lozier     | FTP TX         | ???   | n/c
      261/1380  | Joe Davis         | UUE TX         | ???   | n/c
      280/169   | Brian Greenstreet | FTP            | 33.6  | $2mo.
      297/11    | Michael McCabe    | TX             | ???   | n/c
      323/120   | Craig Healy       | VMoT FTP       | ???   | n/c
      342/3     @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP      | 128K+ | n/c
      360/5     | Bennie Hutto      | FTP VMoT       | aDSL  | n/c
      395/670   | Arthur Stark      | BinkD,FTP      | CABLE | n/c
      379/1     @ Dale Ross         | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
      379/1200  | Chris Cranford    | BinkP FTP TX   | ???   | n/c
      393/9005  | Steve Quarrella  |BinkP TX UUE VMoT| ???   | n/c
      395/670   | Arthur Stark      | BinkP VMoT FTP | ???   | n/c
      396/45    | Marc Lewis        |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ADSL  | n/c
      396/48    | Ben Ritchey       | UUE:BFDS?      | 33.6k | n/c
     2215/300   | Dennis Haddox     | UUE,TX         | CABLE | n/c
     2320/38    | Janis Kracht      | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
     2410/400   | Gary Gilmore      | FTP BinkP      | 384K,60| n/c
     2410/213   | Kevin Bentz       | FTP, BinkP, UUE| Cable | n/c
     FIDONEWS 18-50               Page 22                  10 Dec 2001


     2604/104   @ Jim Mclaughlin    | FTP,VMoT,UUE   | 33.6  | $1mo
     2624/306   | David Calafrancesco  | VMoT        | 33.6  | n/c
     3613/1275  | @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE,FTP    | 28.8  | n/c
     3407/4     | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3632/84    | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3830/5     | Jeff Schrunk      |BinkP FTP TX UUE| ???   | n/c
     3830/10   | Matt Bedynek      |FTP, BinkD      | OC3     n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 2     |
       20/11    | Henrik Lindhe     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       22/222   | Kim Heino         | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       28/1     | Lody Caenen       | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
       31/1     | Gabriel Plutzar   | BinkP          | T1+   | n/c
       37/37    | Gabor Z. Papp     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       47/999   | Andrej Kirejev    | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      201/329   | Mats Wallin       | VMoT TX        | ???   | n/c
      201/505   | Goran Eriksson    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      203/600   | Mikael Karlsson   | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
      211/37    | Torbjorn Mohn     | BinkP          | 8/2mb | n/c
      221/360   @ Tommi Koivula     | BinkP,UUE      | ???   | n/c
      236/205   @ Michael Kaaber    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      240/6298  | Steve Tell        | BinkP UUE      | ???   | n/c
      246/2098  | Volker Imre       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      252/110   | David Rance       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      255/90    | Simon Avery       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      263/950   | Sean Rima         | TX UUE         | ???   | n/c
      280/1027  | Lukas de Groen    | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
      280/1601  @ Jeroen VanDeLeur  | FTP,UUE        | 64k   | n/c
      280/4312  | Jos Huijnen   | BinkP ifcico UUE TX| ???   | n/c
      280/5003  | Kees van Eeten    | BinkP ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      292/620   | Eddy Missoul      | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k   | n/c
      292/624   | Steven Leeman     | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
      292/854   | Ward Dossche      | BinkP UUE TX   | ???   | n/c
      292/907   | Bart Verhaeghe    | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K   | n/c
      292/2003  | Eric Vaneberck    | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      301/1     | Peter Witschi     | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      332/807   | Roberto Mascolo   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      333/0     | M Gianformaggio   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      335/534   @ Mario Mure        | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k   | n/c
      335/610   | Gino Lucrezi      | UUE            | 33.6  | n/c
      341/14    | Rafael Suarez     | BinkP VMoT     | ???   | n/c
      341/51    | Jose.Maria Tejada | VMoT           |       |
      341/66    | Angel Ripoll      | VMoT           |       |
      343/168   | Jose Casanova     | VMoT           |       |
      344/201   | Julio Garcia      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      346/3     @ Carlos Navarro    | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      347/1     | Javi Polo         | UUE            |       |
      348/105   | Alejandro Estraviz| BinkP UUE      |       |
      382/100   | Sinisa Burina     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/555   | Ofir Michaeli     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/557   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/558   | Vlad Hrusca       | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Ofir Michaeli &   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      423/81    | Milos Bajer       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      461/256   | Andrew Rutkas     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     FIDONEWS 18-50               Page 23                  10 Dec 2001


      461/640   | Alex Semenyaka    |BinkP ifcico UUE| ???   | n/c
      465/204   | Va Milushnikov    | BinkP          | 33.6k | n/c
      469/84    | Max Masyutin      | VMoT           | 256k  | n/c
      469/128   | Oleg Vasenyoff    | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      480/112   | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k  | n/c
      550/4077  | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE            | ----- | n/c
     2410/201   | Karsten Ebeling   | BinkP UUE      | ???   | n/c
     2411/413   @ Dennis Dittrich   | UUE,BinkP      | 64k   | n/c
     2432/200   | Sven Dueker       | BinkP TX UUE   | ???   | n/c
     2446/301   @ Lothar Behet  | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K   | n/c
     2474/275   | Christian Emig    | UUE            | 64k   | unkn
     2487/3000  | Steffen Gross     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     3830/10    | Matt Bedynek      | FTP, BinkP     | 100Mb | n/c
     5002/5002  | Victor Belyakov   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5014/4     | Alex Bagmanov     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5020/52    | Peter Didenko     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/54    | Serge Wizgounoff  | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5020/69    | B Chernivetsky    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/238    | Sergey Gubanov   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5030/115   | Andrey Podkolzin  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5030/1251  | K Stepanekov      | UUE            | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/1159  | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE          | 33.6  | n/c
     5049/12    | Amir Shabashvili  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5054/3     | Andrew Popov      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5080/80    | Eugene Zorin      | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5083/21    | Alexander Uskov   | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5090/2     | Andrew Titov      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 3
      633/260   @ Malcolm Miles     | FTP,BinkP      | 64K   | n/c
      640/954   | Rick Van Ruth     | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
      712/311   | Bob James         | TX             | ???   | n/c
      774/605   @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c
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      902/18    | Javier Tejedor    | UUE            | 33,6  | n/c
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       65/3000  | Lawrence Fan      | UUE            | 33600 | free
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      654/0     | Bin Li            | UUE,BinkP      | 33600 | free
      654/1501  | Lawrence Fan      | UUE,BinkP      | 28800 | free

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     * TX     = TransX
     * NFS    = Linux Networking
     * ifcico = ifcico-compatible virtual mailer
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     news.tardis.net

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